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beachgirl
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
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limomof2
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by itsagoodlife
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by limomof2
Posted by itsagoodlife
None of my children take the exams. In my district, the teachers and admins are VERY supportive to the point that the teachers all wear their "union" tshirts during testing weeks.
However, I agree.. I would not send my kids in wearing tshirts. This is a battle the parents and teachers are fighting with NYS.. the kids are not fighting the fight. We are their voices.
My son takes the test. I do give him a reward (an hour of games each day he takes them) because of course he wasn't thrilled about taking them bc other people aren't. I personally don't like any of the standarized tests kids have to take but they will have to eventually take them. I believe my son will benefit from taking these tests because he won't be shocked when he comes across an sat or regents exam later on. I also don't agree with taking kids out because they have no idea WHY (and most don't care) they aren't taking it, they are just happy they don't have to take a test. This totally would send the wrong message to MY child (not saying anyone else's) of course it's a personal decision. What I don't get are the teachers (and I have many friends/family who are teachers and I have my masters in Ed but don't teach) who wholeheartedly disagree with this test, so much that it "harms" children but yet give it anyway because it's their "job". That's not the kind of teacher I want teaching my child. You believe the wellbeing of my child is at stake but you'll give him the test and expect HIM to opt out? I'm sorry, I just don't get that. Think what an amazing message it would send if the teachers and admin opted out......
I believe the teachers HAVE to administer the test, whether or not they believe in it, as it's mandated by the state.
The parents have to be the ones to opt their own child out if they so wish.
I am sure most teacher's don't agree with the tests either, from what I hear, but they have no choice.
The teachers and administrators hands are tied. They must OFFER the test... but they cannot opt-out of giving it themselves. They are employees who are trying to do their (very difficult) jobs. There was a teacher last year in Comsewogue who refused to proctor the test. I think she retired shortly thereafter but I am not sure.
The CHILD is not opting out, the parents are making the decision.
I am not going to debate the reasons for opting out. As parents we all make choices for our children.
That makes me even more sad because the child is literally being used as a pawn. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT like standardized testing either and I am against how they are set above student understanding level BUT I would prefer to fight that part of it myself by writing to my legislatures and congressmen (women) rather than putting my child in that position.
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limomof2
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
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BargainMama
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by itsagoodlife
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by limomof2
Posted by itsagoodlife
None of my children take the exams. In my district, the teachers and admins are VERY supportive to the point that the teachers all wear their "union" tshirts during testing weeks.
However, I agree.. I would not send my kids in wearing tshirts. This is a battle the parents and teachers are fighting with NYS.. the kids are not fighting the fight. We are their voices.
My son takes the test. I do give him a reward (an hour of games each day he takes them) because of course he wasn't thrilled about taking them bc other people aren't. I personally don't like any of the standarized tests kids have to take but they will have to eventually take them. I believe my son will benefit from taking these tests because he won't be shocked when he comes across an sat or regents exam later on. I also don't agree with taking kids out because they have no idea WHY (and most don't care) they aren't taking it, they are just happy they don't have to take a test. This totally would send the wrong message to MY child (not saying anyone else's) of course it's a personal decision. What I don't get are the teachers (and I have many friends/family who are teachers and I have my masters in Ed but don't teach) who wholeheartedly disagree with this test, so much that it "harms" children but yet give it anyway because it's their "job". That's not the kind of teacher I want teaching my child. You believe the wellbeing of my child is at stake but you'll give him the test and expect HIM to opt out? I'm sorry, I just don't get that. Think what an amazing message it would send if the teachers and admin opted out......
I believe the teachers HAVE to administer the test, whether or not they believe in it, as it's mandated by the state.
The parents have to be the ones to opt their own child out if they so wish.
I am sure most teacher's don't agree with the tests either, from what I hear, but they have no choice.
There was a teacher last year in Comsewogue who refused to proctor the test. I think she retired shortly thereafter but I am not sure.
She is still teaching
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BargainMama
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
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alexb
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
If you don't think your child needs to be pulled out you can tell the school you refuse services. They will give you a release stating you understand the state requires they provide them but you don't want them.
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twicethefun
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
If you don't think your child needs to be pulled out you can tell the school you refuse services. They will give you a release stating you understand the state requires they provide them but you don't want them.
Here's another point of view. My son was shy and quiet and had some speech delays. He had a teacher who did not tap into his capability or see his potential. He got a 4 on the test because while his verbal reading skills are not great, his comprehension is far above grade level. Suddenly his teachers noticed he's a very capable reader. He's grown into a top student. It goes both ways.
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BargainMama
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
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twicethefun
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
It is untrue that you can not see which answers your child got wrong. Most of the items on the test are released to the public. You can ask your principal to see the results. They can show you an itemized print out of where your child went wrong. You can review each question. You have a right to see all your children's tests. You just need to exercise it.
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
It is untrue that you can not see which answers your child got wrong. Most of the items on the test are released to the public. You can ask your principal to see the results. They can show you an itemized print out of where your child went wrong. You can review each question. You have a right to see all your children's tests. You just need to exercise it.
Yes you are right. Again, the text you quoted is filled with misinformation. I know parents of older children in my district that have done this and seen their child's test.
I have said it before and I will say it again there is ALOT of misinformation on all of these threads regarding these tests, and that goes for the quote above.
Are these tests perfect, ABSOLUTELY NOT, far from it! My son took them but, do I feel it's absolutely ridiculous that an 8 year old is taking a THREE DAY test only to have to take ANOTHER three day test next week - of course! But, I do think it's sad that there is so much defensiveness on these boards about opting out and almost bullying to the point that there is a ton of misinformation given out and no real dialogue. I would have loved to see an honest thread from those whose children took the tests this week with the changes. That kind of stuff would be so productive but, it will never happen because it will quickly go south as the opt outers jump in.
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KarenK122
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Any Kids taking the tests?
Standardized testing is in it's own category. You can not compare it to taking a Regents or even the SAT. Lets remember we are talking about 8 year olds taking a test for hours a day on material they have not learned. They are not 18 taking an SAT they have the option of taking. Many people are now taking the ACTs instead because they are more curriculum based. They also have the option of not taking the SATs or the ACTs since not every child goes to college. 3rd graders did not have that option until this opt out movement began.
I am not against all testing. I think benchmarking is important and taking finals in your classes, when older, is important as well. Students need to show they can pass the coursework. The issue is that standardized tests do nothing, teach nothing and show nothing. All it does it takes 2 weeks of teaching time way from students and teachers.
There is also a whole movement about allowing students not to take Regents exams and if they pass the course to still receive a local diploma. I won't get into that now, but anyone with young children should also be thinking about that as well for the future.
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by KarenK122
Standardized testing is in it's own category. You can not compare it to taking a Regents or even the SAT. Lets remember we are talking about 8 year olds taking a test for hours a day on material they have not learned. They are not 18 taking an SAT they have the option of taking. Many people are now taking the ACTs instead because they are more curriculum based. They also have the option of not taking the SATs or the ACTs since not every child goes to college. 3rd graders did not have that option until this opt out movement began.
I am not against all testing. I think benchmarking is important and taking finals in your classes, when older, is important as well. Students need to show they can pass the coursework. The issue is that standardized tests do nothing, teach nothing and show nothing. All it does it takes 2 weeks of teaching time way from students and teachers.
There is also a whole movement about allowing students not to take Regents exams and if they pass the course to still receive a local diploma. I won't get into that now, but anyone with young children should also be thinking about that as well for the future.
Now this one REALLY burns me up!! I think it is INSANE that they HAVE to get a regents diploma (by passing I believe 5 regents tests) or no diploma at all!! How is that good for any student and don't even get me started on the kids with services. It's crazy!
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BargainMama
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
It is untrue that you can not see which answers your child got wrong. Most of the items on the test are released to the public. You can ask your principal to see the results. They can show you an itemized print out of where your child went wrong. You can review each question. You have a right to see all your children's tests. You just need to exercise it.
Yes you are right. Again, the text you quoted is filled with misinformation. I know parents of older children in my district that have done this and seen their child's test.
I have said it before and I will say it again there is ALOT of misinformation on all of these threads regarding these tests, and that goes for the quote above.
Are these tests perfect, ABSOLUTELY NOT, far from it! My son took them but, do I feel it's absolutely ridiculous that an 8 year old is taking a THREE DAY test only to have to take ANOTHER three day test next week - of course! But, I do think it's sad that there is so much defensiveness on these boards about opting out and almost bullying to the point that there is a ton of misinformation given out and no real dialogue. I would have loved to see an honest thread from those whose children took the tests this week with the changes. That kind of stuff would be so productive but, it will never happen because it will quickly go south as the opt outers jump in.
Oh just stop with the bullying stuff. No one is bullying anyone. You have made some pretty harsh statements in the past that people have called you out on. That is not bullying.
As for not being able to view the tests, I was going on information that teachers have given based on previous common core curriculum tests. That's great that you can view your child's completed tests now though.
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BargainMama
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by limomof2
Posted by KarenK122
Standardized testing is in it's own category. You can not compare it to taking a Regents or even the SAT. Lets remember we are talking about 8 year olds taking a test for hours a day on material they have not learned. They are not 18 taking an SAT they have the option of taking. Many people are now taking the ACTs instead because they are more curriculum based. They also have the option of not taking the SATs or the ACTs since not every child goes to college. 3rd graders did not have that option until this opt out movement began.
I am not against all testing. I think benchmarking is important and taking finals in your classes, when older, is important as well. Students need to show they can pass the coursework. The issue is that standardized tests do nothing, teach nothing and show nothing. All it does it takes 2 weeks of teaching time way from students and teachers.
There is also a whole movement about allowing students not to take Regents exams and if they pass the course to still receive a local diploma. I won't get into that now, but anyone with young children should also be thinking about that as well for the future.
Now this one REALLY burns me up!! I think it is INSANE that they HAVE to get a regents diploma (by passing I believe 5 regents tests) or no diploma at all!! How is that good for any student and don't even get me started on the kids with services. It's crazy!
Passing is a 65 or higher though. The rules changed in recent years. Special education students can pass with a 55 or higher. 55-64 gets them a "local" diploma though, but still a diploma nonetheless. There is no longer an option for a local diploma for general education students. But, when you think about it, 65 is a decent requirement for a general education student. Special ed is a whole other ballgame. The system disgusts me to be honest!
Where I grew up, you passed your classes, final exams and received a high school diploma. NYS is the only state with Regent's, and a Regent's endorsement means nothing in the real world after high school.
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twicethefun
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
It is untrue that you can not see which answers your child got wrong. Most of the items on the test are released to the public. You can ask your principal to see the results. They can show you an itemized print out of where your child went wrong. You can review each question. You have a right to see all your children's tests. You just need to exercise it.
Yes you are right. Again, the text you quoted is filled with misinformation. I know parents of older children in my district that have done this and seen their child's test.
I have said it before and I will say it again there is ALOT of misinformation on all of these threads regarding these tests, and that goes for the quote above.
Are these tests perfect, ABSOLUTELY NOT, far from it! My son took them but, do I feel it's absolutely ridiculous that an 8 year old is taking a THREE DAY test only to have to take ANOTHER three day test next week - of course! But, I do think it's sad that there is so much defensiveness on these boards about opting out and almost bullying to the point that there is a ton of misinformation given out and no real dialogue. I would have loved to see an honest thread from those whose children took the tests this week with the changes. That kind of stuff would be so productive but, it will never happen because it will quickly go south as the opt outers jump in.
Oh just stop with the bullying stuff. No one is bullying anyone. You have made some pretty harsh statements in the past that people have called you out on. That is not bullying.
As for not being able to view the tests, I was going on information that teachers have given based on previous common core curriculum tests. That's great that you can view your child's completed tests now though.
You could have gotten an itemized assessment of common core test for your child since day 1. Very few parents choose to.
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CurlyQ
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
It is untrue that you can not see which answers your child got wrong. Most of the items on the test are released to the public. You can ask your principal to see the results. They can show you an itemized print out of where your child went wrong. You can review each question. You have a right to see all your children's tests. You just need to exercise it.
Yes you are right. Again, the text you quoted is filled with misinformation. I know parents of older children in my district that have done this and seen their child's test.
I have said it before and I will say it again there is ALOT of misinformation on all of these threads regarding these tests, and that goes for the quote above.
Are these tests perfect, ABSOLUTELY NOT, far from it! My son took them but, do I feel it's absolutely ridiculous that an 8 year old is taking a THREE DAY test only to have to take ANOTHER three day test next week - of course! But, I do think it's sad that there is so much defensiveness on these boards about opting out and almost bullying to the point that there is a ton of misinformation given out and no real dialogue. I would have loved to see an honest thread from those whose children took the tests this week with the changes. That kind of stuff would be so productive but, it will never happen because it will quickly go south as the opt outers jump in.
Oh just stop with the bullying stuff. No one is bullying anyone. You have made some pretty harsh statements in the past that people have called you out on. That is not bullying.
As for not being able to view the tests, I was going on information that teachers have given based on previous common core curriculum tests. That's great that you can view your child's completed tests now though.
You could have gotten an itemized assessment of common core test for your child since day 1. Very few parents choose to.
While you can get an itemized assessment of your child. You do not see the tests or the questions. What good is that without taking a look at the reading selection and questions? It does nothing to help or drive instruction or help your child. It is a joke. Teachers have to sign a gag order when they administer the test not to talk about the reading passages or questions and they are never released after the test to educators or parents.
So I'm sorry. You seem to have misinformation. You are not allowed to request the tests to see how your child did. Years ago, the state did publish the tests online for you to view once testing was over. That was when the tests were fair and did not cause the test prep mentality and ended whole child education. My daughters will be more than bubble fillers. I want them to be able to think outside of the bubbles and a narrow test prep education does not allow them to do that. That's why this fight is over more than just a test. It is a fight to change education to a research based whole child learning.
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Any Kids taking the tests?
Oh and as for changes. This is a major one. Instead of taking the test for 90 minutes a day with a total of around 4.5 hours. Students have been reported to take between 2-6 hours per day this week on tests. So instead of 4.5 hours on ELA, some students have sat for 18 hours. So as far as unlimited time being a change? I think having an 8 year old sit for 18 hours of tests of 3 days is abusive. The English regents is not as long, or college entrance exams. I'm sorry putting an 8 year old through this just because in in 6 years or so they will be prepared is like giving them the keys to your car and having them practicing driving your car to get ready for their road test.
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Any Kids taking the tests?
A reading passage on todays 4th grade ELA is from "The Kite Fighters". Grade level equivalent...6.3!! Guided reading level, W
A reading passage on the 3rd Grade Test: Eating the Plates Grade equivalent 5.2, interest level 6-8th grade
Testing instructed students to use a planning page prior to writing their essay. Guess what? No planning page.
These sound like positive changes to me. Having a 3rd grader read a passage 2 grade levels above them, with an interest level of being 6-8th grade, and having a 4th grader read a passage on the 6th grade level.
Please explain how this helps a teacher understand the needs of their students?
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by CurlyQ
A reading passage on todays 4th grade ELA is from "The Kite Fighters". Grade level equivalent...6.3!! Guided reading level, W
A reading passage on the 3rd Grade Test: Eating the Plates Grade equivalent 5.2, interest level 6-8th grade
Testing instructed students to use a planning page prior to writing their essay. Guess what? No planning page.
These sound like positive changes to me. Having a 3rd grader read a passage 2 grade levels above them, with an interest level of being 6-8th grade, and having a 4th grader read a passage on the 6th grade level.
Please explain how this helps a teacher understand the needs of their students?
And the passages on grade level have questions that are above the readability level for the grade. The ELA tests are not age appropriate. Data from 2008 shows about 70% of the state passing the ELA test. Last year I was 31%. That data right there tells me the tests are flawed and are not developmentally appropriate.
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Oh and as for changes. This is a major one. Instead of taking the test for 90 minutes a day with a total of around 4.5 hours. Students have been reported to take between 2-6 hours per day this week on tests. So instead of 4.5 hours on ELA, some students have sat for 18 hours. So as far as unlimited time being a change? I think having an 8 year old sit for 18 hours of tests of 3 days is abusive. The English regents is not as long, or college entrance exams. I'm sorry putting an 8 year old through this just because in in 6 years or so they will be prepared is like giving them the keys to your car and having them practicing driving your car to get ready for their road test.
My daughter did not take the test. She is in third. One of her friends worked for six hours. SIX hours! That blows my mind. This kid does not have an IEP. She was far from the only child working through recess.
I arrived at DD's school today at 1 because I volunteer with her class in the library and was told there would be no library because kids were still testing and were not expected to finish soon.
The errors on the test piss me off too. With all the money being spent, you'd think whoever was in charge would have made sure everything was up to par before they were sent out. As an ex teacher I began administering the state tests back in 1999 and I do not remember there ever being mistakes that serious.
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Unless I'm mistaken, I didn't think they allowed parents or teachers to see a student's results from the multiple choice questions, only the extended answer questions.
I'll have to look into it and follow up on that.
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NervousNell
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Re: Any Kids taking the tests?
Posted by CurlyQ
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by alexb
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by limomof2
Posted by busymomonli
Posted by beachgirl
Someone mentioned that if their child does not perform well on the test that they will get the help they need during the following year. This is true but you need to look at the bigger picture.
My daughter was a very strong 3/4 student last year in 3rd grade. She took the tests and got a 2 because she panicked and did not perform well on the tests. So this year she is pulled out for math and english resulting in her missing out on other modules that her classmates are taking. Her entire 3rd grade had results of 77% needing AIs after their testing grades came in during the summer. The ELA teacher said its a joke -she has all these 3/4 kids in her room during the week because their test scores gave them a different score than what they produced during the year in their classrooms.
We opted out this year for many reasons - this was one of them.
This in ONE of our reasons as well. The reason we have report cards, homework assignments, and tests in class is to see how the child is learning the material. A teacher spending an entire year with my child has the right to judge whether he is progressing and meeting standards. To sit him down then assess his skill based on a few hours of testing is ludicrous.
As an employee, I can't imagine someone coming and sitting with me for a half a day and then doing my performance evaluation based on that.
I could go on, but that's not what this thread is about. I respect everyone's decision for their own child.
Isn't this exactly what happens with the regents exams and SATs in HS? I did TERRIBLE on the SAT because I wasn't a good test taker. Tests in class are MUCH, MUCH different than any standardized test. I would be very happy if they only had teacher written tests throughout their schooling but that is far from reality. The more exposure my child gets to this type of test the more I know HE will benefit. Again, not everyone and I see the other side but this is why WE take the test. And on the teacher side of it no, I do not think it's fair to evaluate them based on how their students do but honestly, that's their fight. I don't have someone coming in and fighting for me in my job.
The difference is, the Regent's, SAT, etc. are all based on stuff that they have actually learned, stuff they likely understand, and stuff that isn't developmentally inappropriate for them at that grade level.
ETA, my son is a special education student, who took all the 3-8 standardized testing. Always scored a 1 and 2. Has to take the Regent's in high school, and has passed all of them thus far. There is really no tricky or confusion on the Regent's, I've read the tests.
I dont have a child who is at the testing age yet but i have a question for moms opting out.
I understand the Sat is based on curriculum they have learned and these tests arent, but these tests must be measuring something? Whether its strategic thinking or whatever, i cant see tests being administered just for the sake of $$$.
Then my next question is, what about when kids take graduate school exams- you cant opt out of those and half of the stuff on the exams arent taught. I remember taking the GMATs and having a tough time with the options section, prompting me to take the exam a second time. It wasnt curriculum i ever learned and most people arent taught those things in undergrad anyhow.
PS- excuse the grammer as i am typing on my phone while i wait for my two year old to fall asleep:\
I don't even think you can compare graduate school exams that you take as an adult, to tests that third graders, etc. are taking.
There is benchmarking testing in the classroom that serves a purpose. These do not serve any purpose. The results don't come back until the Summer time. Long after your child is out of the classroom, and long after the schedules are created for the following year. You are not allowed to see which questions you got wrong, so that doesn't even help a child. There is so much more, but I'm sure you can research it all.
It is untrue that you can not see which answers your child got wrong. Most of the items on the test are released to the public. You can ask your principal to see the results. They can show you an itemized print out of where your child went wrong. You can review each question. You have a right to see all your children's tests. You just need to exercise it.
Yes you are right. Again, the text you quoted is filled with misinformation. I know parents of older children in my district that have done this and seen their child's test.
I have said it before and I will say it again there is ALOT of misinformation on all of these threads regarding these tests, and that goes for the quote above.
Are these tests perfect, ABSOLUTELY NOT, far from it! My son took them but, do I feel it's absolutely ridiculous that an 8 year old is taking a THREE DAY test only to have to take ANOTHER three day test next week - of course! But, I do think it's sad that there is so much defensiveness on these boards about opting out and almost bullying to the point that there is a ton of misinformation given out and no real dialogue. I would have loved to see an honest thread from those whose children took the tests this week with the changes. That kind of stuff would be so productive but, it will never happen because it will quickly go south as the opt outers jump in.
Oh just stop with the bullying stuff. No one is bullying anyone. You have made some pretty harsh statements in the past that people have called you out on. That is not bullying.
As for not being able to view the tests, I was going on information that teachers have given based on previous common core curriculum tests. That's great that you can view your child's completed tests now though.
You could have gotten an itemized assessment of common core test for your child since day 1. Very few parents choose to.
While you can get an itemized assessment of your child. You do not see the tests or the questions. What good is that without taking a look at the reading selection and questions? It does nothing to help or drive instruction or help your child. It is a joke. Teachers have to sign a gag order when they administer the test not to talk about the reading passages or questions and they are never released after the test to educators or parents.
So I'm sorry. You seem to have misinformation. You are not allowed to request the tests to see how your child did. Years ago, the state did publish the tests online for you to view once testing was over. That was when the tests were fair and did not cause the test prep mentality and ended whole child education. My daughters will be more than bubble fillers. I want them to be able to think outside of the bubbles and a narrow test prep education does not allow them to do that. That's why this fight is over more than just a test. It is a fight to change education to a research based whole child learning.
 So well said!
I saw this on FB today and loved it.
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| Posted 4/7/16 8:42 PM |
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CurlyQ
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Love that quote. Puts my beliefs as a parent into perfect words!
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