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Blissful
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by CurlyQ
From my research if you refuse the vitamin K, the hospital is mandated to report it to CPS and they have to open a case file. This is why they just do it because it is mandated. Not worth it IMHO. The only way to get around it is by having a home birth or delivering in NJ.
thats not true. I worked in L&D in a few NY hospitals. It is a decision that needs to be made ahead of time with the physician doing the delivery adn there are some forms that need to be filled out. You can't just go into th edelivery room and refuse the shot without any prior conversation with the physician and proper documentation.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by CurlyQ
From my research if you refuse the vitamin K, the hospital is mandated to report it to CPS and they have to open a case file. This is why they just do it because it is mandated. Not worth it IMHO. The only way to get around it is by having a home birth or delivering in NJ.
thats not true. I worked in L&D in a few NY hospitals. It is a decision that needs to be made ahead of time with the physician doing the delivery adn there are some forms that need to be filled out. You can't just go into th edelivery room and refuse the shot without any prior conversation with the physician and proper documentation.
That's interesting. I had never heard that and I did a ton of research because I was interested in refusing it. SO is this website wrong?
http://ffitz.com/nyvic/law/vitamin-k.htm
This is the part I am talking about:
Dear Colleague:
We have been alerted that a growing number of new parents are refusing to allow their newborns to receive a Vitamin K injection or eye prophylaxis. We are writing to remind you that both these interventions are required in New York State by both the sanitary code and the hospital code (Sections 12.2 and 405.21(e)(4)(v)(b), 10 NYCRR). Neither regulation exempts infants whose parents object to the practice. Since these treatments are mandated by state regulation, informed consent is unnecessary, and hospitals and individual providers cannot be sued for administering them. Conversely, a provider’s failure to administer these treatments could result in a citation. A parent’s refusal of these treatrnents cars be reported to Child Protective Services
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Blissful
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by CurlyQ
From my research if you refuse the vitamin K, the hospital is mandated to report it to CPS and they have to open a case file. This is why they just do it because it is mandated. Not worth it IMHO. The only way to get around it is by having a home birth or delivering in NJ.
thats not true. I worked in L&D in a few NY hospitals. It is a decision that needs to be made ahead of time with the physician doing the delivery adn there are some forms that need to be filled out. You can't just go into th edelivery room and refuse the shot without any prior conversation with the physician and proper documentation.
That's interesting. I had never heard that and I did a ton of research because I was interested in refusing it. SO is this website wrong?
http://ffitz.com/nyvic/law/vitamin-k.htm
I just know that some of the patients I worked with were able to refuse it with proper documentation. I don't know if it was somethign done by the physicial to"cover ther a**" but it was done.
I'm having a home birth in another state but even if I get transferred to the hospital my midwife has privledges at I can still refuse it there as well. I think a lot of this has to do with the individual providers and their belief. The state doesn't fint out about things unless someone reports it. So, if the physician is ok with the refusal and won't report it than the state won't find out.
It is really unfortunate that our goverment can mandate stuff such as this. But there are always loop holes.
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maybebaby
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
This is not a vaccine, nor something that causes adverse reactions like a vaccine and it's so, so important...why would anyone refuse this?? I don't understand (albeit religious reasoning??)
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by maybebaby
This is not a vaccine, nor something that causes adverse reactions like a vaccine and it's so, so important...why would anyone refuse this?? I don't understand (albeit religious reasoning??)
Blissful posted a great link discussing the reasoning behind it.
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maybebaby
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by CurlyQ
Posted by maybebaby
This is not a vaccine, nor something that causes adverse reactions like a vaccine and it's so, so important...why would anyone refuse this?? I don't understand (albeit religious reasoning??)
Blissful posted a great link discussing the reasoning behind it.
Thanks, I hadn't seen that..
I still don't fully understand though. I mean I do know there are risks with everything....but I know for a fact that this is an important shot. People want to challenge everything these days and it enrages me. Same with those who won't vaccinate. I'm sorry, but I don't understand that mentality. Delaying vaccines I understand. NOT vaccinating I don't. I know that is a diff. debate altogether, but still...ugh!
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Blissful
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by maybebaby
This is not a vaccine, nor something that causes adverse reactions like a vaccine and it's so, so important...why would anyone refuse this?? I don't understand (albeit religious reasoning??)
The vitamin K shot is a vaccine!
There is a reason why babies are born vitamin K deficient. THere are numerous studies linking the vitamin K shot to jaundice. You are loading a newborn an hour after birth with high levels of a substance that makes their kidneys and liver work overtime, when the liver has barely started to funtion in that capacity, therfore increasing your risk of jaundice which leads to other things such as excess stay in a hospital under billi lights which minimize parental contact in those initial few days, multiple bloos draws and other things.
I'm not saying the shot is not useful, there are times when a baby should absolutely receive the shot but that decision shoudl be a case by case basis not mandated for everyone.
Just like the erythromycin ointment which then given, clouds the babies eyes and makes them swell and many times and can be uncofortable. THe erythromycin was put in place because of lower income populations that has a high incidence of gonohrhea that can lead to blindness in a baby if left untreated.
If two adults are in a monogomous relationship and the mother has been tested for gonorhea which is a standard test done by all providers during pregnancy than there is no reason for the baby to get the ointment. If mom doesn't have gonorhea then baby doesn't need the ointment.
Unfortunately a lot of laws are put in place during a specific period of time when this was the best course of action but officials never go bad and re-evaluate to see if this really needs to stay in place or be modified.
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Blissful
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by CurlyQ
Posted by maybebaby
This is not a vaccine, nor something that causes adverse reactions like a vaccine and it's so, so important...why would anyone refuse this?? I don't understand (albeit religious reasoning??)
Blissful posted a great link discussing the reasoning behind it.
Thanks, I hadn't seen that..
I still don't fully understand though. I mean I do know there are risks with everything....but I know for a fact that this is an important shot. People want to challenge everything these days and it enrages me. Same with those who won't vaccinate. I'm sorry, but I don't understand that mentality. Delaying vaccines I understand. NOT vaccinating I don't. I know that is a diff. debate altogether, but still...ugh!
I understand where you are coming from. I for one plan on delaying vaccinations and breaking them up but For the most part my child will receive all the vaccines, just on a delayed schedule. We aren't talking about giving a vaccination against immunity to a disease here, it is a vaccination given for a rare problem that can occur in infants during a difficult or traumatic delivery. If the delivery goes smoothly then why mess with mother nature and risk having to put a baby through traumatic testing because the shot they gave them jaundice because their liver isn't functioning properly yet.
It's all about each person getting all of the information and making an educated decision on what is best for THEM and their baby and not having those decisions dectated by a geverment official.
Did you know that the goverment is in the process of making the HPV shot MANDATORY for all girls starting at the age of 10?? What is next???
Its an awareness and education issue.
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maybebaby
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
I did not know it was a vaccine..I was told it wasn't but you learn something new everyday!
Hmmm...I understand both points. I need to further educate myself on this I guess..I never ever thought to question the vitamin K injection (still don't) but you never know I guess...
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Why would you refuse it?
The claims that it increases the chances of childhood leukemia have been found untrue.
It's not me, it's a friend who wants to refuse it. She said her Lamaze teacher says she can refuse it for the baby.
I don't know her reasoning, I'm assuming it's the old leukemia link.
i never heard of that link.. see these stupid lamaze teachers say things to first time moms and gets them thinking.. those classes always do that.
ITA... the teachers tell you a lot of worthless nonsense IMO. I remember arguing with mine about a birth plan b/c I don't believe in birth plans. Anyway, as for the Vit K shot, I see no reason not to have it. I even asked my pediatrician about it before having DD b/c I have genetic blood clotting issues - my family is hypercoagulant (predisposed to blood clots) so I was concerned she could have a blood clot. Doctor alleviated my fears and explained everything to me. DD is fine and never had jaundice. I never filled out a form for Vit K, just Hep B - which I did consent to. I personally do believe in the need for vaccinations and that the benefits outway the risk... again JMO. I think it's great that there are more vaccinations available today to prevent the complications of diseases that plagued others in the past. Again, JMO - I don't expect others to agree with me, I know it's a hot topic.
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Luv2bAmom
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
I just think that at some point you have to have some trust in the professionals you choose to care for your child, if not then we should all just got to Medical school and be our own doctors
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by Luv2bAmom
I just think that at some point you have to have some trust int he professionals you choose to care for your child, if nto then we should all just got to Medical school and be our own doctors
Well said, I totally do agree with this. I feel we should be educated on topics, but at some point you have to trust your health care provider.
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My3Shmoos
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
i've never heard of this but I must say that my first DS had major jaundice issues and was hospitalized 2x for it with the first 2 weeks of his life BUT...he was a month early. I also had dangerously low amniotic fluid with no leak which was also connected to high jaundice levels. But I have to say I wonder now.
He is now a perfectly crazy 5 year old!
I also refused the Hep shot in the hospital and had immunizations given one at a time every 2 weeks. My schedule followed the CDC schedule just spread out a little more. I did A LOT of research on this but it truly is a matter of you doing what you feel is right for your child.
It is a decision for any parent to make and no one should be judged regaring their decision like I was at my Peds office by another patient. She also was stupid enough not to realize that our Peds agreed to this schedule telling me I was crazy and that the Drs woould never go for it. I laughed at her and told her "No! The Drs are fine with it because this is my 3rd child and they followed the same schedule for my other 2 kids." She was so ticked she left the office.
I never challegened her saying that she was crazy or something for giving shots the wasy she did. She simply asked me what I do for immunizations and I told her. I told the Dr what happened because I felt bad that this woman walked out on them but they told me not to worry. I was not preaching or anything. Thank god my Drs are awesome.
But again it is a personal decision for parents.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
I believe we refused that as well as Hep B.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
They dont tell you, they dont have to tell you.
I didnt know about refusing it, interesting info on it, I would still give it, but interesting none the less.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
Posted by maybebaby
I did not know it was a vaccine..I was told it wasn't but you learn something new everyday!
Hmmm...I understand both points. I need to further educate myself on this I guess..I never ever thought to question the vitamin K injection (still don't) but you never know I guess...
Sorry to butt in and crash the board, but I just wanted to clarify that it is NOT a vaccine. A vaccine is a preparation that is created to give immunity to a disease.
The vitamin K shot is a bolus, it is to prevent a clotting issue, not a disease.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by maybebaby
I did not know it was a vaccine..I was told it wasn't but you learn something new everyday!
Hmmm...I understand both points. I need to further educate myself on this I guess..I never ever thought to question the vitamin K injection (still don't) but you never know I guess...
Sorry to butt in and crash the board, but I just wanted to clarify that it is NOT a vaccine. A vaccine is a preparation that is created to give immunity to a disease.
The vitamin K shot is a bolus, it is to prevent a clotting issue, not a disease.
TRUE!
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by CurlyQ
From my research if you refuse the vitamin K, the hospital is mandated to report it to CPS and they have to open a case file. This is why they just do it because it is mandated. Not worth it IMHO. The only way to get around it is by having a home birth or delivering in NJ.
thats not true. I worked in L&D in a few NY hospitals. It is a decision that needs to be made ahead of time with the physician doing the delivery adn there are some forms that need to be filled out. You can't just go into th edelivery room and refuse the shot without any prior conversation with the physician and proper documentation.
I don't think i was even ever told about this shot. How can someone refuse something they weren't told about. At least i don't remember ever being told about it.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
It's routine after a baby's birth, they receive a Vitamin K shot to prevent clotting and erythromycin ointment in the eyes to prevent infection. I have been to many deliveries and never had someone refuse it.
I am not sure, but it may be listed on the consent you sign for the hospital. I'll check when I go back to work on friday.
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Blissful
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by maybebaby
I did not know it was a vaccine..I was told it wasn't but you learn something new everyday!
Hmmm...I understand both points. I need to further educate myself on this I guess..I never ever thought to question the vitamin K injection (still don't) but you never know I guess...
Sorry to butt in and crash the board, but I just wanted to clarify that it is NOT a vaccine. A vaccine is a preparation that is created to give immunity to a disease.
The vitamin K shot is a bolus, it is to prevent a clotting issue, not a disease.
Still doesn't make a difference. You are breaking the skin, and increasing the risk for infection. If not given properly it can cause cellulitis just like any other injection.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by maybebaby
I did not know it was a vaccine..I was told it wasn't but you learn something new everyday!
Hmmm...I understand both points. I need to further educate myself on this I guess..I never ever thought to question the vitamin K injection (still don't) but you never know I guess...
Sorry to butt in and crash the board, but I just wanted to clarify that it is NOT a vaccine. A vaccine is a preparation that is created to give immunity to a disease.
The vitamin K shot is a bolus, it is to prevent a clotting issue, not a disease.
Still doesn't make a difference. You are breaking the skin, and increasing the risk for infection. If not given properly it can cause cellulitis just like any other injection.
The risk of my baby having a bleeding problem vs. the risk of an infection from a needle?? This is really splitting hairs.
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
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Posted by Blissful
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Posted by maybebaby
I did not know it was a vaccine..I was told it wasn't but you learn something new everyday!
Hmmm...I understand both points. I need to further educate myself on this I guess..I never ever thought to question the vitamin K injection (still don't) but you never know I guess...
Sorry to butt in and crash the board, but I just wanted to clarify that it is NOT a vaccine. A vaccine is a preparation that is created to give immunity to a disease.
The vitamin K shot is a bolus, it is to prevent a clotting issue, not a disease.
Still doesn't make a difference. You are breaking the skin, and increasing the risk for infection. If not given properly it can cause cellulitis just like any other injection.
The risk of my baby having a bleeding problem vs. the risk of an infection from a needle?? This is really splitting hairs.
ITA with this!!
I don't understand why people are finding such fault with things that are trying to help a newborn baby. You'd rather risk a clotting/bleeding issue vs. puncturing the skin? That is ludacris to me!
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Re: Anyone refuse the Vitamin K injection for their newborn?
I think this site is bias to the issue. Do you have more of a non-bias site for info?
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