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Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Taken from Huffington Post
A national atheist group has filed a lawsuit to block the inclusion of the famous '9/11 cross' from a memorial at the World Trade Center site.
The cross, a fused steel t-joint which served to gird the towers before they fell, was unearthed from the rubble following the attacks. Unusual for its proportions resembling the Christian cross, it quickly became a symbol of hope for men and women coping with the horror of the day.
It was moved to nearby St. Peter's church in 2006, where it bore a plaque which read: "The Cross at Ground Zero - Founded September 13, 2001; Blessed October 4, 2001; Temporarily Relocated October 15, 2006. Will return to WTC Museum, a sign of comfort for all."
The cross was moved back to the World Trade Center site on July 23, but according to the American Atheists, it should have stayed at St. Peter's.
"The WTC cross has become a Christian icon," the group's president, David Silverman, said in a press release. "It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It's a truly ridiculous assertion."
According to ABC News, Jane Everhart, one of the separate plaintiffs listed in the case, called the cross "an ugly piece of wreckage" that "does not represent anything ... but horror and death."
The group wants equal inclusion of other belief systems - including nonreligious groups - or outright removal of the cross. The 9/11 Memorial Foundation told ABC that other religious artifacts, including a Star of David and a Jewish prayer shawl, will be added the museum ahead of its scheduled opening on September 12, 2011.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
I'm not sure how I feel about this. My heart says, how can you take something away from the museum that brought comfort to so many victims, while my head says if it's offensive to some it shouldn't be there.
I guess as a museum it should hold all relevant items to the events that unfolded during that horrific day, so it should stay.
It's a tough call...
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Although I believe that every religion should be represented, I can't help but pity this group. Maybe I don't understand their point, but to sue to have it removed is mind bending to me.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
I think it comforts more than it offends and I think its selfish to not want it displayed bc you dont agree with it. To me its about the comfort it brings and people need to get over themselves and think about others.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
As an atheist, I disagree that this should be a lawsuit. I think that the cross should stay at the memorial. However, I don't think it should say that it provided comfort to all, as that is clearly not a fact.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
I agree, it became a religious symbol instead of keeping it a symbol of hope. People blessed it and prayed at it and it just went overboard. The towers held all religions and the fact we seem to always allow the christian one to be the focal point is completely biased. I think the lawsuit is crossing the line to prove a point. The organization is no better then any other single minded one.
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| Posted 7/29/11 12:58 PM |
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
i think the cross should stay but all religions should be represented.
It wasnt an attack only towards anyone's religion it was an attack on our country, our citizens, our way of life, etc. All aspects of the people who lost their lives should be represented.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
seeing that it isnt a cross and just 2 pieces of steel that happen to break in dimensions similar to that of a cross no I dont think it should be removed. People made it a religious symbol by blessing and praying it. But is it just 2 pieces of steel.
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| Posted 7/29/11 1:26 PM |
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by memi7206
I think it comforts more than it offends and I think its selfish to not want it displayed bc you dont agree with it. To me its about the comfort it brings and people need to get over themselves and think about others.
I completely agree with you.
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| Posted 7/29/11 1:30 PM |
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by Nifheim
"The WTC cross has become a Christian icon," the group's president, David Silverman, said in a press release. "It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It's a truly ridiculous assertion."
This statement is ridiculous.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
NM sorry read to quickly
Message edited 7/29/2011 1:56:43 PM.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Personally I'd rather see it stay at St. Peter's. it can still give Christians hope from around the corner.
I see no reason why any government-funded memorial should lean toward any religion.
To quote some Huffington Post commenter: “The Vietnam memorial and the Oklahoma City memorial manage to be moving and inspirational without being religious.
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| Posted 7/29/11 2:01 PM |
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
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Posted by memi7206
I think it comforts more than it offends and I think its selfish to not want it displayed bc you dont agree with it. To me its about the comfort it brings and people need to get over themselves and think about others.
I completely agree with you.
Me too. Lawsuits like this make me
This has been a symbol of 9/11 for years. Leave it there...it comforts more people than harms them. People need to get over themselves.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by Nifheim
"It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It's a truly ridiculous assertion."
This statement is what is truly ridiculous and, in my eyes, basically discredits them as a serious organization.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
For anyone who worked there for one minute of one day, that cross was NOT a religious symbol, but one of HOPE. It was a tiny glimpse of peace amongst an otherwise horrific site. It is a piece of history and belongs on the site as does anything else that will end up in the museum imo.
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| Posted 7/29/11 2:53 PM |
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
As an atheist I see both points.
I am not bothered by the cross being there and see it's value to those who gain spirituality from it.
However it is a slippery slope and unfortunately atheists are one of the few groups that others still verbally abuse without much consequence. Sometimes these cases need to be challenged.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
For anyone who worked there for one minute of one day, that cross was NOT a religious symbol, but one of HOPE. It was a tiny glimpse of peace amongst an otherwise horrific site. It is a piece of history and belongs on the site as does anything else that will end up in the museum imo.
Well said! Ditto for me!
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
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Posted by Nifheim
"The WTC cross has become a Christian icon," the group's president, David Silverman, said in a press release. "It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It's a truly ridiculous assertion."
This statement is ridiculous.
Im a Jew and I think its fine. It doesnt matter to me where faith and hope comes from. Its not up there saying Jesus this and that. It helps healing. Who cares? I would not be signing any petitions even if a Star of David were not there.
The above statement reminds me of many a discussion about the Holocaust. Some felt that a merciful G-d would not have allowed so many Jews (and as many non-Jews) to perish so they chose to no longer believe and lost faith. I look at it this way, though our people are small in number, they did not take all of us. It made us stronger, It helped create Israel and WE WILL NEVER FORGET. We are still fighting and we are not giving up.
Just like America will NEVER FORGET and America is still here. We are alive. We are here. We are still the most powerful (use your own definition of powerful here). We are not a broken nation. I prefer to use this horrific event as an eye-opening experience and strengthen my obligations as an American than to hop up on a bandwagon of whiners. Enough already.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
I don't believe it.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
So freedom of religion in our country means there can be no religion? If you don't want to believe in God great...i don't care...but don't make me take a cross down because you don't.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by KittyKatCopper
So freedom of religion in our country means there can be no religion? If you don't want to believe in God great...i don't care...but don't make me take a cross down because you don't.
I completely agree with this. It's one thing to object to a religious symbol at a school or a normal public place, but this is a memorial, a place for people to mourn.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by alli3131
seeing that it isnt a cross and just 2 pieces of steel that happen to break in dimensions similar to that of a cross no I dont think it should be removed. People made it a religious symbol by blessing and praying it. But is it just 2 pieces of steel.
I agree with this. Why should all religions be represented? If pieces of the wreckage happen to form a symbol of another religion, then it should be included too. Otherwise, it's just this one symbol, and the atheists should get over it.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Oy vey. I'm not a Christian and I have to say, I don't find anything offensive about the image.
I'd actually never heard about this cross before, but I think it's a lovely idea that people who lost so much on that day can find something inspirational and faith-affirming out of it. Let them have their peace. I'll find my own.
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
Posted by KittyKatCopper
So freedom of religion in our country means there can be no religion? If you don't want to believe in God great...i don't care...but don't make me take a cross down because you don't.
ITA!
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Re: Atheists Sue Over World Trade Center 9/11 Cross: Should Christian Symbol Be Removed?
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Posted by alli3131
seeing that it isnt a cross and just 2 pieces of steel that happen to break in dimensions similar to that of a cross no I dont think it should be removed. People made it a religious symbol by blessing and praying it. But is it just 2 pieces of steel.
I agree with this. Why should all religions be represented? If pieces of the wreckage happen to form a symbol of another religion, then it should be included too. Otherwise, it's just this one symbol, and the atheists should get over it.
Agree word for word
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