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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
I see your point, but I think the level of disrespect goes way beyond the fact that we do not "back" our president.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
I think the disrespect most countries have for the US pre-dates the American society's discontent and dissent towards the actions of our president. It is heavily based in our ACTIONS as a country in other countries, where many other countries feel we are out of line and/or out of place.
ETA: I think other countries may respect us MORE for our dissent toward Bush as president and his actions, as many LOST respect for us when we voted him into office in the first place.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
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Posted by MsMBV
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
We did not put him in office, the electoral college did. It is an incredibly faulted system that has been pushed for change for 50 years. If more voters pushed this issue with their local & regional elected officials, then we would not have the problem of an unwanted leader in office.
thats definitly a whole other issue
it is and it isn't....you can;t say "the majority of americans" voted for Bush any more than he can say his narrow 04 victory was a 'referendum' regarding his conservative vlaues
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
In my opinion... Bush does a good enough job on his own losing respect from foreign countries...
I just couldn't look myself in the mirror every day if I said I supported him. While 35% of this country chooses to continue to support him (or whatever his numbers are now), I'm not going to be one of them.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
Actually, it makes us look like a society that's smarter than our president. People in a lot of otehr countries don't like Bush. I think it would be worse for our image if the world thought we all backed him up.
And guess what? if you're a political elader and you want 100% support from your constituents, then you have to EARN it. If he was doing a GREAT job he wouldn't have the deplorable approval rating that he has. For ost of his 8 year presidency, most of america stood behind Clinton as our representative to the world. This is the firts time in my short lifetime where I've seen a country so at odds with its president, bashing so much... (I am not ignoring the lewinski scandal here)... It's not americans..we aren't bashers w/o our sh*t straight, maybe if out LEADER had his **** straight, more of us would support him
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MissJones
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Personally, he brought it upon himself. I didn't vote for him, nor do I respect him. I think he has deviant plans. And thankfully, our country was founded upon the idea that if you don't like something, you CAN do something about it. So I will voice my opinion. But just because I don't appreciate our leader does not mean in any way, shape, or form, that I do not like our country. I don't think as a leader he is looking into the best interest of our country and it is my country I support, not my leader.
For some reason, I see our country as an enitity seperate from Bush. It was here long before him and I hope to God it will be here long after him. So while I may not be an advocate for Bush, you can bet your a$$ I'm an advocate for the US.
While I totally understand what you are saying, I don't see him as truly doing the right thing by Americans. I want to support him for the best interest of our country, to show solidarity, but I'm sorry, I don't think he has our backs enough to do that.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by JenniferEver
Because a grea tthing about this country that was here before Bush (and with a small miracle) will be here after Bush is the freedom of Dissent.
King George was the leader of the colonies and I understand he was not elected (neither was bush in '00), but if everyone said "Well he's our leader, we need to respect him, and we can never speak out against him" then we would all be speaking the Queen's english right now and riding on the left hand side of the road  . Actually we'd be paying taxes without representation in parliament and still be used as a resource and drained of our own resources.
One of the greatest things is that we have the power to speak our minds, complain, be open, and urge our legislature to impeach.
And until Jan 20, 2009, I will exercise my right to say that I don';t support Bush as president
To quote Thomas Jefferson:
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions [. . . ]
I support our troops...I did not vote GWB in, nor did the majority in 2000 - so I am not parts of "some". I do not support him or his government and it is my right to feel as such.
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| Posted 8/11/06 1:32 PM |
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Dragonfly75
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Just want to butt in and say, even if Bush had been fairly elected elected, he's not "in charge." He's our (theoretically) elected leader -- he works for us! If we don't like the job he's doing and feel like he's not representing us it's our duty to speak out.
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leese
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I'm not sure if this is what the OP meant but this is how I feel:
No matter whether I believe in the President or not, I hold the OFFICE of the Presidency in high regard. It is our duty as Americans to yes, question the government, to plead our cases to the government, to call out when things appear wrong in the government and most importantly, to vote for the government.
Unfortunately, we have a low voter turnout and many people fail to get involved in discussions, learn more about candidates and vote for the person that alligns with most of their beliefs.
I will judge this President in the end, just as I judged Bill Clinton. I also will say that problems in our world did not start on 9/11, but rather there has been problems dating back .... well, for as long as we have been alive. To blame this one person as the reason for these things is not fair.
As for supporting, just because I may not agree, vote, or support politically Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton or George Bush, I went to the ballot box and I voted. And I can rest easy that I made my opinion known. I will still support the Senator of my state, even if I don't agree. And I will still support the President, even if I don't agree with him or her. I will support their POSITION, even if I don't support them.
If you agree/disagree with the way we do presidential elections, then stand up and push for a change. To say someonoe wasn't elected truly in 2000 is false because indeed he was, whether it wast with the "popular" vote or not.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Dragonfly75
Just want to butt in and say, even if Bush had been fairly elected elected, he's not "in charge." He's our (theoretically) elected leader -- he works for us! If we don't like the job he's doing and feel like he's not representing us it's our duty to speak out.
I think a lot of people forget this. In a democratic society, the government works for us. Rule by the PEOPLE.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I know people have varying poitical views, and I think it's a healthy thing for the country and debate. I detest Bush, but some detest Clinton (whom I loved).
It still baffles me that there is a feeling out there that you can not disagree with a president. For whatever reason it seems that some people feel that Bush should be beyond reproach (mostly using the 'country is at war' reason). How did the world see the US when we tried to impeech Clinton over the whole Lewinski thing? We voted Clinton in twice...so why should we not believe him when he says "I did not have sexual relations...."? He's the president. We should trust and believe evrything he says. Unfortunatley, the government and politiccs do not work that way.
People questioned Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon during the Vietnam War. Now I wasn't alive then, but I'm know there were people that 'bashed' the given president back then. I know you can't compare wars, but the notion that we have to back everything a president does is ridicules (see Clinton above).
I support our troops, but not some of the decisions our president (and others, he has to have the backing sometimes) makes.
I saw a calendar the other day that counts off the days until Bush is out of office. I'm still considering buying it.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
I understand exactly where you are coming from - like my mother always told me - Don't air your dirty laundry.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Dragonfly75
Just want to butt in and say, even if Bush had been fairly elected elected, he's not "in charge." He's our (theoretically) elected leader -- he works for us! If we don't like the job he's doing and feel like he's not representing us it's our duty to speak out.
I think a lot of people forget this. In a democratic society, the government works for us. Rule by the PEOPLE.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by lululu
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
I understand exactly where you are coming from - like my mother always told me - Don't air your dirty laundry.
The way I see it, Bush is the dirty laundry, not our dissent..and we can't stop him from making his voice heard, so it's better to let everyone know we disagree than to be hung out to dry with him
EFS
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june262004
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Why because I DIDN'T VOTE HIM INTO OFFICE 
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| Posted 8/11/06 1:41 PM |
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by lululu
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
I understand exactly where you are coming from - like my mother always told me - Don't air your dirty laundry.
The way I see it, Bush is the dirty laundry, not our dissent..and we can't stop him from making his voice heard, so it's better to let everyone know we disagree than to be hung out to dry with him
EFS
Even if Bush is the dirty laundry - my mother would have said "Keep it in the family". I just want to state that it is every Americans right to speak openly about how they feel and i dont think that they need to keep it to themselves. I just thought it was funny because michi reminded me of my mother!
But I can understand wanting to present a united front to the rest of the world. It would be great if that could happen and everyone could agree - but that is NEVER going to happen!!!!
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klingklang77
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
Obviously the majority of the pple voted him into office.
the majority DID NOT vote him into the country.
when he first got elected i was upset, but i thought, thank god he has people to help him. alot of his administration have resigned or what not. that is pathetic.
i cant stand behind a president, just b/c he is our president and that we should all support him b/c he leads america. on a personal level he has done nothing to help me. hello, healthcare, i have none. there are other things, but i will not get into him.
i dont care for his foreign policies, either. i do not support the war in iraq. i do not like how he played on the americans fear and said we need to attack iraq, b/c they may have weapons and they harbour terrorists. in the end there were no weapons and he stated, well we made a country have freedom from an evil dictator. if you want to spread your 'freedom' then go into Zimbabwe. Mugabe is doing the same thing. his foreign policies embarrass this country. do you know what it feels like when you go overseas and people ae asking you why is your president doing this. OMG i hate that.
i am leaving the country next week anyway and i have residency in another country. not b/c of bush, but b/c of DH. in some ways i am sad that i am leaving america, but on the other hand, i dont know what country i live in anymore. it is a sad thing.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
Our country is not respected because we voice our opinions and openly ridicule our President. Our country is not respected BECAUSE of the President. He is the face of the USA and he is the one other leaders deal with. If anyone follows any of the news, you can, easily, see, that when he attends any summits and holds any press conferences with any foreign dignitaries (except England), the disdain and outright dislike that they have for him is obvious. It is our right (if we still have it) to openly criticize our government. It is, also, our duty to make sure that they are doing what they were elected to do. This President has not done one thing to help this country as he should have, and, when it comes to being a strong leader, he ranks somewhere on the bottom of the list. To blindly follow along makes us sheep and will, eventually, find us living in a dictatorship.
Not speaking out is one of the worst things that can happen. This country was founded on that premise and to disregard this is, in my humble opinion, a slap in the face to all who came before us.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I want Clinton back. I dont care if he got his knob slobbed in the oval office.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by KristenNYC
I dont care if he got his knob slobbed in the oval office.
Line of the DAY
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by KristenNYC
I want Clinton back. I dont care if he got his knob slobbed in the oval office.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by KristenNYC
I want Clinton back. I dont care if he got his knob slobbed in the oval office.
LOVE it
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Maathy317
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
Our country is not respected because we voice our opinions and openly ridicule our President. Our country is not respected BECAUSE of the President. He is the face of the USA and he is the one other leaders deal with. If anyone follows any of the news, you can, easily, see, that when he attends any summits and holds any press conferences with any foreign dignitaries (except England), the disdain and outright dislike that they have for him is obvious. It is our right (if we still have it) to openly criticize our government. It is, also, our duty to make sure that they are doing what they were elected to do. This President has not done one thing to help this country as he should have, and, when it comes to being a strong leader, he ranks somewhere on the bottom of the list. To blindly follow along makes us sheep and will, eventually, find us living in a dictatorship.
Not speaking out is one of the worst things that can happen. This country was founded on that premise and to disregard this is, in my humble opinion, a slap in the face to all who came before us.
I dont think one person is to blame for the dislike of this country 
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by leese
I'm not sure if this is what the OP meant but this is how I feel:
No matter whether I believe in the President or not, I hold the OFFICE of the Presidency in high regard. It is our duty as Americans to yes, question the government, to plead our cases to the government, to call out when things appear wrong in the government and most importantly, to vote for the government.
Unfortunately, we have a low voter turnout and many people fail to get involved in discussions, learn more about candidates and vote for the person that alligns with most of their beliefs.
I will judge this President in the end, just as I judged Bill Clinton. I also will say that problems in our world did not start on 9/11, but rather there has been problems dating back .... well, for as long as we have been alive. To blame this one person as the reason for these things is not fair.
As for supporting, just because I may not agree, vote, or support politically Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton or George Bush, I went to the ballot box and I voted. And I can rest easy that I made my opinion known. I will still support the Senator of my state, even if I don't agree. And I will still support the President, even if I don't agree with him or her. I will support their POSITION, even if I don't support them.
If you agree/disagree with the way we do presidential elections, then stand up and push for a change. To say someonoe wasn't elected truly in 2000 is false because indeed he was, whether it wast with the "popular" vote or not.
This is so well put.
I truly believe as Americans we can be our own worst enemies when we ignore the one of the greatest rights we have, to vote.
Edited for sp.
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by KristenNYC
I want Clinton back. I dont care if he got his knob slobbed in the oval office.
I'd have to agree with ya
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