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Maathy317
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
This thread could go on and on about who supports whom. The fact is that most are too young to know what happened to this country during VietNam. I wasn't. I saw what that war did to this country and this war is no different. While some can say there is no comparison, I beg to differ. Then and now, we are fighting a war we had no business being involved in. We were not attacked by VietNam or Iraq. We sent thousands of young men into a war zone asking them to fight for their country, when in fact, they fought for someone else's country. Too many came home in bodybags and too many came home permanently damaged. In the end, it didn't make one da*n bit of difference. The only difference between that war and this is that a draft hasn't been instituted in this one. That is only a matter of time.
When that happens, the only difference will be that a new generation will give their lives for nothing. If we have to fight, then we should be fighting the right fight, not one that was begun by the ego of some lunatic. There are no winners in war, only different degrees of losing.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I agree wholeheartedly, maathy. I wasn't around for Vietnam, buit I have been seeing the comparisons from Day 1 
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| Posted 8/11/06 6:09 PM |
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
But I didn't vote for him to be in charge in either elcetion, and IMO he stole the first one anyway
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| Posted 8/11/06 8:16 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
i voted for him
and was happy we had him as our president during 9/11
but ther is much of what he has done that has left me 
and i can't say i am against questioning the person who leads our country...
imo that is what we should be doing
we have to question and criticize the leaders of this nation..and we should all know by now that we will find fault in everyone....even if Mother Theresa was president...
EVEN she would be bashed...
But one thing i CANNOT....I MEAN CANNOT TOLERATE....are those that bash our country
Message edited 8/11/2006 8:21:53 PM.
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| Posted 8/11/06 8:21 PM |
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mommy2bella
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I voted for Bush and was a Republican back in 2000, the election that Bush didn't win, I mean the election the Supreme Court decided on "hanging chads".
I am now a Democrat and begrudgingly voted for John "Stiff" Kennedy thanks to good ol' Bush/Cheney politics...
I believe his foreign policy is too Texas hold 'em and while it worked after 9/11, it ain't working now...I believe in Stem Cell Research, I believe in a women's Right To Choose, and I believe that he can't spell or read too good 
I am also praying no one else keels over in the Supreme Court or we'll be screwed for YEARS to come...
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| Posted 8/11/06 9:00 PM |
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Melbernai
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I would never bash our country. I love the country that we live in, and it has it's flaws, but every one of us as individuals have flaws. That is just how it is.
However I do not support Bush and definately do not agree with many of the decisions he's made for our country. I think that one of the freedoms and privilages we enjoy in our country, that we should NEVER give up, is the freedom to disagree with our leader.
In other countries people have to go along with whatever their leader says or suffer the consequences, and one of the things that I love about America is that I am entitled to my own opinion and hopefully will always have that right, whether the president disagrees with it or not!
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| Posted 8/11/06 9:00 PM |
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Sassyz75
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
actually during Clinton's tenure we bombed Iraq very frequently due to Saddam breaking UN rules. I know for a fact b/c I read the paper every day and there were weekly bombings that the USA did in Iraq.
Maybe b/c we weren't in the climate of terror that we are in now- it wasn't noticed- and god knows the majority of americans dont' read the paper or watch the world news (the GOOD news w/ the international stories, not the local news).
In addition, there is such a thing called War Powers- it isn't the sole discretion of the President to enter into wars or military incursions w/o the vote of Congress- if you remember clinton had a Republican congress and I doubt they were going to vote major miliary action in Africa or the Middle East- and it wasn't like the Republican congress was pointing fingers at his inaction at these cases either- they were pointing at him getting his jolly's off.
Lets face it- it was the times- in political science it is said that Americans face inward and outward in 7-9 year cycles- during clinton's tenure- the economy was good and we were very much facing "inward"- I don't necessarily think that was all his fault. Just like I don't think it is all Bush's fault that we are in the situation that we are in now- the only thing is that Bush makes it worse- worse by having us in a war that will not and probably can not end the way we want it to and gives extremists even MORE excuse to point bombs at us.
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| Posted 8/11/06 9:12 PM |
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lilqtny
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
im not sure what to title this thread but I have to voice a spinoff topic..
George Bush is the leader of this country.
Obviously the majority of the pple voted him into office.
With that being said..he is in charge...
there is nothing we can do to change that until his term is up.
I really dislike when americans bash the president mainly b/c if we dont respect the man WE VOTED IN CHARGE and stand behind him in the decisions he makes (whether we agree or not) THEN WHY SHOULD ANY OTHER COUNTRY RESPECT HIM OR US AS A WHOLE....
just my 2 cents on a topic that really bugs me...
I wholeheartidly agree with you!!
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| Posted 8/11/06 9:18 PM |
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monkeybride
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Shellyesq
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But I didn't vote for him... I didn't want him to be in charge...
Me neither. I also can't support his domestic policies at all. No stem cell research and his pro-life agenda. I just can't agree with it. Why I should I back him up on things I didn't agree with.
Totally agree.
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| Posted 8/12/06 12:35 AM |
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Shroggie
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by lilqtny
Posted by muchinluvmichi
im not sure what to title this thread but I have to voice a spinoff topic..
George Bush is the leader of this country.
Obviously the majority of the pple voted him into office.
With that being said..he is in charge...
there is nothing we can do to change that until his term is up.
I really dislike when americans bash the president mainly b/c if we dont respect the man WE VOTED IN CHARGE and stand behind him in the decisions he makes (whether we agree or not) THEN WHY SHOULD ANY OTHER COUNTRY RESPECT HIM OR US AS A WHOLE....
just my 2 cents on a topic that really bugs me...
I wholeheartidly agree with you!!
I agree as well
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| Posted 8/12/06 7:50 AM |
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Redhead
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
in all honesty...i don't think we can say we HAVE to respect the man that was voted into office...
that has to be earned
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| Posted 8/12/06 9:20 AM |
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MrsPornStar
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Redhead
in all honesty...i don't think we can say we HAVE to respect the man that was voted into office...
that has to be earned
I couldn't have said this better myself. Respect must be earned, and Bush has not earned my respect. I didn't vote for him and I am proud to say that I voted in both elections he ran in.
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| Posted 8/12/06 10:04 AM |
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MissJones
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
It comes down to this- we have every single right and responsibility to question the decisions of our leaders. It is something we have earned (dating back to centuries ago across a giant pond) and it is something that we need to do to continue being a great nation. Children question their parents constantly. But parents owe it to their children to be honest about decisions. There is no difference amongst leaders. They owe it to US to tell the truth. With that comes understanding, respect and support.
So call it Bush Bashing or whatever, it is questioning actions and decisions. Asking why got people far? Every scientist who wondered 'why' found a new discovery that changed our lives. Every citizen who questions 'why' can change our future.
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domsmom52704
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by muchinluvmichi
my bottom line is i think when we bash a man who we put in office it makes us look like a very disorganized society and i can see why other countries wouldnt respect us
I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion as we all have different views on every topic. However, politics is usually the cause of may issues and arguments among most people. That said, I want to state that I am not trying to start any sort of argument here, just voicing what my particular view is on this topic.
I think that other countries do not respect us for several different reasons. 1- because they are jealous of what we are born into as American citizens, the rights we have and the luxuries that we take for granted as "normal" parts of life, like television, cars, education, the fact that we are even given a choice in whom we would prefer to run our country. Many of the countries that "do not respect us" and are not our allies are 3rd world countries, overrun with disease, severe poverty and opression on such an unimaginable level that would make the homeless and the sick in our country look like heaven. These people are stripped of even the right to an education past a certian grade level, unless they are males. They are forced to live in places where bombs going off and children being killed is a daily occurance. There is no such thing as a cell phone or a TV or the computer unless you are highly wealthy and powerful. That is why they hate Americans and also why they don't respect us...We poke our noses in everyone elses business and while our intentions may start out on the up and up, they end up being the same thing in the end....A struggle for power of somesort.
I agree that just because a president is elected into office, does not automatically win him the support of every single person on this continent. If that were the case then he would have won the election unanamously, in that, every citizen would have voted for him....Clearly that is never the case.
Personally, I do agree with some of his political views on certian issues but as a President, there have been much more worthy men in office. I DID NOT vote for him nor do I support him and i think that he has made several un-sound decisions during his reign, thus far.
As for our society, we are not disorganized in my opinion, we are just to self-involved to care. We lack in so many areas, especially when it comes to national security because the american public does not want to be inconvienced in any way...be it a longer wait at the airport check in or more traffic at rush hour because of police check points, anything that would mean making us leave the house a little earlier or making us stand on a longer line and take off our shoes...we dont want to comply...( I too am guilty of this) In the same respect, we dont have nearly enough security in our subways or on our trains, why...because the state and the government don't want to pay any more employees or pay the OT to the ones that ae willing to do it...Instead, they leave the window of opportunity open for these catastrophic events to take place and while things are taken much more seriously now as opposed to before 9/11, I still don't think they are taken serious enough. There are are all these laws against racial profiling etc...Well, when there is a certian race that is targeting and killing our people I say, who cares about profiling and handle your business...Do whatever it takes to protect the citizens of this country...No matter what it costs...You are our leader. Mr. President, you wanted the responsibility of this position, now do your darn job and stop worrying about everything and everyone else.
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| Posted 8/12/06 11:15 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I just want to add that although this thread got polarized as Bush/Anti-Bush and Clinton/Anti-Clinton thread, I believe we have the right to criticize ANY president. So, I LOVE Clinton, and I think he was a great president, but I think people have the right to criticize him too. A president has to earn respect and admiration, whoever he is
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| Posted 8/12/06 12:17 PM |
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Maathy317
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by JenniferEver
I just want to add that although this thread got polarized as Bush/Anti-Bush and Clinton/Anti-Clinton thread, I believe we have the right to criticize ANY president. So, I LOVE Clinton, and I think he was a great president, but I think people have the right to criticize him too. A president has to earn respect and admiration, whoever he is
Well said!
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| Posted 8/12/06 12:56 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by DMcK
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
-Teddy Roosevelt
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| Posted 8/13/06 7:15 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Meaghan729
and lets face it - the media distorts everything, and a majority of the media bigwigs are dems.
Hmmm, that is not really true...... actually most of the network & print moguls are conservatives.
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| Posted 8/13/06 7:19 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by hmpena
Posted by Redhead
in all honesty...i don't think we can say we HAVE to respect the man that was voted into office...
that has to be earned
I couldn't have said this better myself. Respect must be earned, and Bush has not earned my respect. I didn't vote for him and I am proud to say that I voted in both elections he ran in.
Same here. Well said both of you.
eta. that this thread is still going...
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| Posted 8/13/06 7:19 PM |
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conigs25
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
I did NOT vote for him therefore I amm entiteld to any bashing i feel. Also, this IS America and even if I did vote for him, i would STILL be entitled to bash him or anyone.
NO ONE OS PERFECT and therefore NO ONE deserves protection against bashing
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| Posted 8/13/06 7:21 PM |
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conigs25
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by JenniferEver
Because a grea tthing about this country that was here before Bush (and with a small miracle) will be here after Bush is the freedom of Dissent.
King George was the leader of the colonies and I understand he was not elected (neither was bush in '00), but if everyone said "Well he's our leader, we need to respect him, and we can never speak out against him" then we would all be speaking the Queen's english right now and riding on the left hand side of the road  . Actually we'd be paying taxes without representation in parliament and still be used as a resource and drained of our own resources.
One of the greatest things is that we have the power to speak our minds, complain, be open, and urge our legislature to impeach.
And until Jan 20, 2009, I will exercise my right to say that I don';t support Bush as president
YOU SIAD IT!!!
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| Posted 8/13/06 7:24 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
for me....
i think bashing the president is kinda silly
talking and debating real issues and topics...well that is the way to go
nobody responds to bashing him...IMO
people LISTEN to well conveyed ideas and thoughts
and to be honest...who cares if you voted for him or not...what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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| Posted 8/13/06 7:25 PM |
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MissJones
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Redhead
and to be honest...who cares if you voted for him or not...what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Well, Chinese tea HAS gone up a few bucks since he's been in office.
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| Posted 8/13/06 8:06 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Redhead
and to be honest...who cares if you voted for him or not...what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Well, Chinese tea HAS gone up a few bucks since he's been in office.
so have the house prices on LI...
what are ya going to do 
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| Posted 8/13/06 8:08 PM |
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MissJones
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Re: Bush Comments/Spinoff to Terrorist thread
Posted by Redhead
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Redhead
and to be honest...who cares if you voted for him or not...what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Well, Chinese tea HAS gone up a few bucks since he's been in office.
so have the house prices on LI...
what are ya going to do
Oh, don't even get me STARTED on gas!
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