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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by Hofstra26
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This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I am parent of two small kids (ages 3 and 7). I've taken them to amusement parks, zoos, parks, stores, EVERYWHERE and when I am in public with them, I'm on them like a hawk! I've never lost sight of my kids in a public place, NOT EVER. They are either right next to me holding the wagon, holding my hand, or in the stroller. Please explain how you manage to lost sight of your child long enough for them to climb a wall into a gorilla cage??!?!
I'm so tired of this nonsense where people excuse every bit of $hit parenting out there. We make excuses for why someone left their kid in a hot car and their child died, now we're making excuses for a parent who couldn't watch their kid well enough to avoid them gaining access to a gorilla cage, and we continue to excuse parents whose actions result in a thousand other horrifying things you hear about in the news.
This was a case of lousy parenting, there is NO excuse for your FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD to be able to make his way into a gorilla habitat. Call me a b!tch but I blame the mother 100% and if she was watching her child the entire incident wouldn't have occurred. She should count her lucky stars that gorilla didn't kill her kid! I've had enough of this PC cr@p where we aren't suppose to criticize or blame the parent. BS. There is a ton of $hit parenting out there that SHOULD be called out so that things like this don't happen in the future.
I can't tell you how many times I see kids in public running all over the place with no parent in sight. Or with some parent off in the distance too busy with their phone to bother giving a cr@p that their kids are running all over the place. I see it ALL the time. NOT every parent is a good parent. NOT everyone watches their kids like they should. So can we as a society just stop pretending like those facts aren't true. Call a spade a spade................some parents SUCK at their job. Period.
Additionally, I also blame the zoo because they should have proper safety measures in place at all of their exhibits so something like this cannot ever happen. If a 4 yr old can so easily make their way into the exhibit that means the zoo failed both its patrons and its animals.
I think it was a very unfortunate accident and while I realize there was likely no other choice but to kill this animal I just find it sad that an innocent animal had to die because of stupid human mistakes. I think people are more upset that this had to happen in the first place and not so much that the only choice was to kill the gorilla. If the zoo had proper measures in place and the parents were on top of their kids, none of this would've had to happen.
ETA - And before it's typed................no, I do NOT think I am a perfect parent but I won't excuse someone else's cr@p parenting when I see it. That mom failed her child. That zoo failed its animals and patrons.
Yep. The sad fact is, the innocent animal has to die because of dumb asss humans....the zoo and/or the parent.
Period the end.
As much as I enjoy taking my DD to the zoo, I'm starting to rethink zoos at all. It's just very sad
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Also, from what I understand it was like a wire split rail fence with some bushes in front. Not like a 12 foot fence he had to scale, he literally crawled under the rail, onto some shrubs and fell into the moat.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/timeline-events-child-fell-gorilla-110358744.html
it also doesn't mean people are shit parents.....if they have their eye on their kid 99.9% of the time, they can be vigilant and protective and all it takes is ONE TIME, one single moment, 1% of 100% of the time for something like this to happen.
One time, I was at the outlets and my child started throwing up ALL over the place out of nowhere, in the middle of the Christmastree Shoppe while in the stroller. I had my other child with me, do you think that even for a second I didn't divert my attention from my child by my side when the other started projectile vomitting all of the store and themselves, OF COURSE I DID. Thats what I mean, it takes one unplanned innocent distraction to take your eyes off a child. Im not a ****** parent, Im a human and not perfect. My other kid could have easily taken off at that moment bc I WAS completely distracted for a few seconds. Doesn't mean myself or anyone in a similar situation one time out of all the great parenting times is a crap parent.
What angers me about this is how vilified the parents are, they are receiving death threats.....seriously, in a week, no one is going to give a rats @ss about this Gorilla. These same people who are SO angry now will have moved on with their lives in a week.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Well from this that doesnt look very safe. Any kid could crawl under the fence thru a few bushes and just plummet 15 feet! I have anxiety just thinking if this was one of my kids.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Judge not lest ye be judged...
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Also, from what I understand it was like a wire split rail fence with some bushes in front. Not like a 12 foot fence he had to scale, he literally crawled under the rail, onto some shrubs and fell into the moat.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/timeline-events-child-fell-gorilla-110358744.html
it also doesn't mean people are shit parents.....if they have their eye on their kid 99.9% of the time, they can be vigilant and protective and all it takes is ONE TIME, one single moments 1% of 100% of the time for something like this to happen.
He had time to run off, go thru bushes, climb a fence, and fall into a gorilla habitat. If my kids ran off, they'd make it two inches before I'd be on them. At the end of the day, the fault lies with the parent. Period. You won't convince me otherwise. I'm sick of this day and age where nobody is held accountable for any of their actions. He fell into a gorilla cage for God sake!!!!!................ She failed as a parent!
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
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Judge not lest ye be judged...
Everyone judges whether intentionally or unintentionally............ It's human nature.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
I blame the mom 100%. She could not control her kid. He stated he wanted to swim with the gorillas. The second that came out of his mouth, she should have her hand on his and not let go. She was completely irresponsible. I hope the zoo goes after her for the loss of the gorilla. While I understand why the zoo did what it had to do, the mom is at fault.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
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Exactly. How long were her eyes off the child? A kid runs into the street to get a ball, trips down stairs, I get it. Things happen in a split second. I have no doubt that when my daughter starts walking there will be incidents caused by me taking my eyes off her.
But this child went under a rail, through wires and into a moat. That is not a split second. And, this is a ZOO. It's not the freaking slide at the playground.
IMO, this is 100% the mother's fault.
I agree with this. We visit the Bronx Zoo a lot and DH and I were saying if they had a similar set up it would take several minutes for a kid to get into an enclosure. From what I read the mom knew where her kid's head was with regard to going in there.
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Cincinnati Zoo incident
Regardless of why the mom wasn't better supervising the kid, the zoo should have a better set up than that to keep people out. There are too many stupid people out there to count and clearly it was just a matter of time until this happened.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by Hofstra26
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This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I am parent of two small kids (ages 3 and 7). I've taken them to amusement parks, zoos, parks, stores, EVERYWHERE and when I am in public with them, I'm on them like a hawk! I've never lost sight of my kids in a public place, NOT EVER. They are either right next to me holding the wagon, holding my hand, or in the stroller. Please explain how you manage to lost sight of your child long enough for them to climb a wall into a gorilla cage??!?!
I'm so tired of this nonsense where people excuse every bit of $hit parenting out there. We make excuses for why someone left their kid in a hot car and their child died, now we're making excuses for a parent who couldn't watch their kid well enough to avoid them gaining access to a gorilla cage, and we continue to excuse parents whose actions result in a thousand other horrifying things you hear about in the news.
This was a case of lousy parenting, there is NO excuse for your FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD to be able to make his way into a gorilla habitat. Call me a b!tch but I blame the mother 100% and if she was watching her child the entire incident wouldn't have occurred. She should count her lucky stars that gorilla didn't kill her kid! I've had enough of this PC cr@p where we aren't suppose to criticize or blame the parent. BS. There is a ton of $hit parenting out there that SHOULD be called out so that things like this don't happen in the future.
I can't tell you how many times I see kids in public running all over the place with no parent in sight. Or with some parent off in the distance too busy with their phone to bother giving a cr@p that their kids are running all over the place. I see it ALL the time. NOT every parent is a good parent. NOT everyone watches their kids like they should. So can we as a society just stop pretending like those facts aren't true. Call a spade a spade................some parents SUCK at their job. Period.
Additionally, I also blame the zoo because they should have proper safety measures in place at all of their exhibits so something like this cannot ever happen. If a 4 yr old can so easily make their way into the exhibit that means the zoo failed both its patrons and its animals.
I think it was a very unfortunate accident and while I realize there was likely no other choice but to kill this animal I just find it sad that an innocent animal had to die because of stupid human mistakes. I think people are more upset that this had to happen in the first place and not so much that the only choice was to kill the gorilla. If the zoo had proper measures in place and the parents were on top of their kids, none of this would've had to happen.
ETA - And before it's typed................no, I do NOT think I am a perfect parent but I won't excuse someone else's cr@p parenting when I see it. That mom failed her child. That zoo failed its animals and patrons.
Unless you were a witness to the situation, you don't know what happened. Yes, there are plenty of crappy parents out there and maybe she is one of them. I don't know. But, as a parent, I do know how quickly things can happen. I'm certainly no sanctimommy and I am not going to judge this mother and call her a ****** parent without knowing what really happened. I think it's really horrendous that this woman is being demonized. I don't think that's fair.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by Hofstra26
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Judge not lest ye be judged...
Everyone judges whether intentionally or unintentionally............ It's human nature.
Ok, fine, but it doesn't have to be a public bashing. None of us knows this woman and none of us were there. Several years ago, I put my then 2yr old DD's hand down for a split second to get my keys out of my bag and she bolted into the path of an oncoming truck. Nothing happened and she was fine--I was shaken for days. Imagine someone took a photo that went viral on FB, etc--even if she did get hit? This woman deserves all this??! Maybe if she herself threw the kid in. This incident makes me sick all around.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
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Posted by Hofstra26
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This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I am parent of two small kids (ages 3 and 7). I've taken them to amusement parks, zoos, parks, stores, EVERYWHERE and when I am in public with them, I'm on them like a hawk! I've never lost sight of my kids in a public place, NOT EVER. They are either right next to me holding the wagon, holding my hand, or in the stroller. Please explain how you manage to lost sight of your child long enough for them to climb a wall into a gorilla cage??!?!
I'm so tired of this nonsense where people excuse every bit of $hit parenting out there. We make excuses for why someone left their kid in a hot car and their child died, now we're making excuses for a parent who couldn't watch their kid well enough to avoid them gaining access to a gorilla cage, and we continue to excuse parents whose actions result in a thousand other horrifying things you hear about in the news.
This was a case of lousy parenting, there is NO excuse for your FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD to be able to make his way into a gorilla habitat. Call me a b!tch but I blame the mother 100% and if she was watching her child the entire incident wouldn't have occurred. She should count her lucky stars that gorilla didn't kill her kid! I've had enough of this PC cr@p where we aren't suppose to criticize or blame the parent. BS. There is a ton of $hit parenting out there that SHOULD be called out so that things like this don't happen in the future.
I can't tell you how many times I see kids in public running all over the place with no parent in sight. Or with some parent off in the distance too busy with their phone to bother giving a cr@p that their kids are running all over the place. I see it ALL the time. NOT every parent is a good parent. NOT everyone watches their kids like they should. So can we as a society just stop pretending like those facts aren't true. Call a spade a spade................some parents SUCK at their job. Period.
Additionally, I also blame the zoo because they should have proper safety measures in place at all of their exhibits so something like this cannot ever happen. If a 4 yr old can so easily make their way into the exhibit that means the zoo failed both its patrons and its animals.
I think it was a very unfortunate accident and while I realize there was likely no other choice but to kill this animal I just find it sad that an innocent animal had to die because of stupid human mistakes. I think people are more upset that this had to happen in the first place and not so much that the only choice was to kill the gorilla. If the zoo had proper measures in place and the parents were on top of their kids, none of this would've had to happen.
ETA - And before it's typed................no, I do NOT think I am a perfect parent but I won't excuse someone else's cr@p parenting when I see it. That mom failed her child. That zoo failed its animals and patrons.
Unless you were a witness to the situation, you don't know what happened. Yes, there are plenty of crappy parents out there and maybe she is one of them. I don't know. But, as a parent, I do know how quickly things can happen. I'm certainly no sanctimommy and I am not going to judge this mother and call her a ****** parent without knowing what really happened. I think it's really horrendous that this woman is being demonized. I don't think that's fair.
And that's your prerogative. However, I see a 4 yr old kid in a gorilla habitat and I have to wonder W T F the parent was doing in that moment.
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Cincinnati Zoo incident
It's the parents' fault regardless oh why it happened. That's part of being a parent, you're responsible no doubt about it. Durant mathere why.
But whether or not she's a bad parent we really don't know. No one knows her or was there or really knows what happened. We can speculate all we want, but it's kind of silly until we have more information... I think people are too quick to jump to conclusions without evidence and that's the problem.
I thinkthe point some of the pp are trying to make is, there is just a difference between whether she was on her phone playing candy crush and her son jumped in or if he son jumped in when she was giving the heimlach to a second child, KWIM. Obviously, the latter is not likely, chances are she just tuned out but it's possible (or something similar) and could happen to even the most diligent parent.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
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Posted by Hofstra26
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Judge not lest ye be judged...
Everyone judges whether intentionally or unintentionally............ It's human nature.
Ok, fine, but it doesn't have to be a public bashing. None of us knows this woman and none of us were there. Several years ago, I put my then 2yr old DD's hand down for a split second to get my keys out of my bag and she bolted into the path of an oncoming truck. Nothing happened and she was fine--I was shaken for days. Imagine someone took a photo that went viral on FB, etc--even if she did get hit? This woman deserves all this??! Maybe if she herself threw the kid in. This incident makes me sick all around.
When we hear stories like this, you can't help but to form an opinion and pass judgement. I think she's getting bashed because people, especially parents, are just horrified and can't wrap their heads around how something like this could happen. Imagine how it could've ended???!!! That is why people are so outraged.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
this week.....until next week's story of the week.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
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this week.....until next week's story of the week.
Haha exactly. These post always take on a life of their own! My original post wasnt even about the mother! But good discussion / debate regardless for this mock Monday.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
I think people are insane. What would you have the zoo do gamble with a four year olds life? Is it sad an innocent gorilla died in his own home..yes but that's on the zoo. How did a four year old figure out how to get in there? Maybe his mother was the biggest piece of shit going so what does that mean he deserved to be killed by a gorilla? Maybe she was frantically looking for him while he was crawling under the bushes if no one else saw him getting in there then she probably didn't either. I know we are all quick to say how closely we are on our kids but stuff happens. I'm a helicopter mom for sure but you never know. Maybe she thought he was standing right there and crawled under the bush it would only take one second. But good grief with the gorilla.. I see things like you will never be forgotten and firing squad for the parents are you friggin kidding me? I also love how people say he was protecting the child and didn't need to be shot, because the actions of a wild gorilla are so predictable. Just like that chimp that ripped that ladies face off he was a family pet never aggressive.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by FirstMate
This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
thank you ... i was thinking when i heard this which of my two boys could escape me that fast ... it is very hard to bring little kids out at that age and younger and except them to stay with you... I am going to disney in August and thinking of getting a back pack with a rope for my younger one (1 1/2) who refuses to hold anyones hand when we walk (working on it every day)
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by FirstMate
This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
Agree with everything you said word for word!!!
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Cincinnati Zoo incident
This is one of those scenarios where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I am just sick of the judgemental viciousness, the superiority, the holier than thou attitude.
It's honestly amazing at how people are in an uproar about this and literally don't care about the many other REAL crises facing us today.
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All I keep hearing everywhere is where was the mom.
What about the dad?
And that's all I have to say. It happened, it's sad. Look - so many zoos are in America. So many visitors. This is so rare. So very rare.
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I agree with everything the OP stated
I hope the Zoo has learned from this and make he enclosures safer for their patrons as well as their animals.
It's sad all around.
I feel for the kids mother right now because of all the finger pointing but I will take it all back the family decides to sue the Zoo. Honestly - that's where my sympathy for her goes out the window and she's no better than what the finger pointers are saying.
It was an accident. She didn't watch her kid close enough and the enclosure wasn't secure enough. Kid is fine. Move on
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Cincinnati Zoo incident
Yes it was an accident but at the same time it's definitely the mothers fault. We are all human people make mistakes but she brought her child there and didnt keep track of where he was. It's an unfortunate situation all around. I don't see that the zoo did anything wrong by shooting the gorilla either. They did what they needed to do to save the child.
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Posted by LiveForMoments
I pretty much agree with all you've stated.
I feel for every being involved here.
I just don't understand why this can't be seen as an unfortunate incident, and nothing more. I was not there, it was not my child, I have no place for judgement.
As parents, we've ALL lost sight of our child for a moment or two. Did NO ONE see this child climbing in? I don't put my hands on other people's children, but if I saw someone's preschooler climbing into a gorilla enclosure, I'm grabbing that child and stopping them if I can. I am so baffled that NO ONE saw this happening and was able to prevent it.
I agree with this
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
i have a 3 year old DS (he's my second) and he is all over the place and will disappear in a second - he's getting tested for ADHD. My DH was the same way..in a flash he'd be on top of the fridge with my MIL right there. It's not something that is so far fetched.
That being said, if the mother was distracted with other children putting them in the stroller and he took off, it was an accident.
I guess they were supposed to let the gorilla drowned and kill that child in front of his mother/siblings/spectators?
For all those they think what they did was wrong, is THAT what the alternative should have been? I am an animal lover and it's sad that it came to that but the choice was clear - you save the child, period.
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