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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Give everyone all the facts, let’s stop manipulating data and calling out people as non science believers for asking the right questions and looking for all the data.
Yes!!! Exactly!!
Exactly. Give all the facts and all the data broken down and then let us come to our own conclusions especially when it comes down to our kids.
Unfortunately at this point Americans are so used to being spoon fed what to think, fear, feel that so many people have lost their critical thinking skills. It's really sad.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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I was watching the news and they said hospitalization of children with Covid is up.
Is there a way to find out if that’s children who went to the hospital because of Covid? Or was it children, like my sons friend, who went in for a concussion and got Covid tested (no clue why) and tested positive but was there for something else?
As school starts and masks are being discussed I’m just trying to understand what the numbers really are and if they are as scary as they sound.
You're right. I haven't seen anything that teases out the number of kids in the hospital for non-Covid and test positive for Covid. So unfortunately, we really don't know what these numbers mean.
But to play devil's advocate, were the numbers teased out for ex, 4 months ago? If not, and there is a 33% increase in pediatric hospitalizations, it is still an increase of kids in the hospital that have tested positive for Covid. So to use your example, if there is a surge of kids with concussions coming into the hospital- the fact that they are testing positive for Covid makes it accurate that "hospitalization of children with Covid is up" .
Exactly right. It would just be nice to know if they are hospitalized BECAUSE of Covid or if it was an incidental finding. Those stats matter and I hate that they don't disclose it. People talk about fear mongering and this certainly doesn't help.
I was watching the news (and freaking out) because they were saying all the PICUs in Dallas are full. But then I recalled that when I worked at Stony Brook in the PICU many years ago, most of those beds were filled all the time for a variety of reasons. So how many of the beds in Dallas are for Covid patients? They shouldn't be making statements like that without quantifying it. If they have a 10 bed PICU but 2 are Covid patients, say so. Don't sensationalize it so people think all 10 beds are children dying from Covid. It's not right. Especially knowing parents are concerned for the upcoming school year - which is why these stories are probably making headlines to begin with.
I do have friends working in the local hospitals and they are seeing kids coming in sick with Covid. It's scary right now.
Exactly as my child has been in the PICU there twice and it is always almost full. Kids are in there for many reasons and I find it hard to believe that all the beds are taken up for only covid.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Posted by lmcmcl
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I was watching the news and they said hospitalization of children with Covid is up.
Is there a way to find out if that’s children who went to the hospital because of Covid? Or was it children, like my sons friend, who went in for a concussion and got Covid tested (no clue why) and tested positive but was there for something else?
As school starts and masks are being discussed I’m just trying to understand what the numbers really are and if they are as scary as they sound.
You're right. I haven't seen anything that teases out the number of kids in the hospital for non-Covid and test positive for Covid. So unfortunately, we really don't know what these numbers mean.
But to play devil's advocate, were the numbers teased out for ex, 4 months ago? If not, and there is a 33% increase in pediatric hospitalizations, it is still an increase of kids in the hospital that have tested positive for Covid. So to use your example, if there is a surge of kids with concussions coming into the hospital- the fact that they are testing positive for Covid makes it accurate that "hospitalization of children with Covid is up" .
I just have so many questions that I can’t find answers to. I’m lucky my kids haven’t been to a hospital in a while so I’m curious was it standard to randomly test for Covid months ago? During the peak? Now? I hate that the fear is getting to me, this is my kids and I want answers!
I was personally in the ER in February for myself for an injury. I was not tested for Covid while there.
I do believe if I had to be admitted though I would have been tested.
And of course if I was showing any symptoms at the time
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by Sash
Give everyone all the facts, let’s stop manipulating data and calling out people as non science believers for asking the right questions and looking for all the data.
Yes!!! Exactly!!
Exactly. Give all the facts and all the data broken down and then let us come to our own conclusions especially when it comes down to our kids.
Unfortunately at this point Americans are so used to being spoon fed what to think, fear, feel that so many people have lost their critical thinking skills. It's really sad.
Yep, I don’t think what we are asking for is unreasonable.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by lmcmcl
Posted by Raging2020
I was watching the news and they said hospitalization of children with Covid is up.
Is there a way to find out if that’s children who went to the hospital because of Covid? Or was it children, like my sons friend, who went in for a concussion and got Covid tested (no clue why) and tested positive but was there for something else?
As school starts and masks are being discussed I’m just trying to understand what the numbers really are and if they are as scary as they sound.
You're right. I haven't seen anything that teases out the number of kids in the hospital for non-Covid and test positive for Covid. So unfortunately, we really don't know what these numbers mean.
But to play devil's advocate, were the numbers teased out for ex, 4 months ago? If not, and there is a 33% increase in pediatric hospitalizations, it is still an increase of kids in the hospital that have tested positive for Covid. So to use your example, if there is a surge of kids with concussions coming into the hospital- the fact that they are testing positive for Covid makes it accurate that "hospitalization of children with Covid is up" .
Exactly right. It would just be nice to know if they are hospitalized BECAUSE of Covid or if it was an incidental finding. Those stats matter and I hate that they don't disclose it. People talk about fear mongering and this certainly doesn't help.
I was watching the news (and freaking out) because they were saying all the PICUs in Dallas are full. But then I recalled that when I worked at Stony Brook in the PICU many years ago, most of those beds were filled all the time for a variety of reasons. So how many of the beds in Dallas are for Covid patients? They shouldn't be making statements like that without quantifying it. If they have a 10 bed PICU but 2 are Covid patients, say so. Don't sensationalize it so people think all 10 beds are children dying from Covid. It's not right. Especially knowing parents are concerned for the upcoming school year - which is why these stories are probably making headlines to begin with.
I do have friends working in the local hospitals and they are seeing kids coming in sick with Covid. It's scary right now.
The point of the PICU always being full has come up in the more right wing media. It's always full, my son was in a regular room right outside the PICU when he needed to be in there since there was no room inside.
I don't doubt that there is an increase in Covid cases, and that there are more children currently testing positive for Covid but, also at the same time - those who were vaccinated were also told they didn't have to test so the large portion of unvaccinated are children.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Posted by Raging2020
It’s something that I wish was easily available. Was hoping there was somewhere it was tracked.
I can’t imagine going to school maskless if the numbers are actually true. But hearing stories about people I know in real life going in for something and being required to Covid test for a concussion….is that part of the numbers? Are we back to testing healthy people to drive up numbers or are children really getting sick and hospital because of Covid? As a parent I want to know. I’m all about my kids being maskless, but this one has me curious.
ETA. How are you supposed to make informed decisions for your child when you can’t get the information you need???
I don't know why the data is so hard to find. I would think if the numbers of kids hospitalized is really increasing that the data would be all over the news supporting the claim. I agree it's hard to make informed decisions right now considering the lack of transparency on so many things COVID related.
Like I want to know the real percentage of vaccinated people getting COVID. It seems to me based on my social circle and what I've heard that a lot of vaccinated people are getting COVID now....more so than unvaccinated.
I would like to know the number of unvaccinated who had Covid this year. How many are truly unprotected? How many who are unvaccinated and got Covid twice this year?
I want to know what’s driving this “it’s all the unvaccinated fault” hypothesis. I haven’t had Covid a second time this year. My son has not had it at all.
My husband, DD and I all never had it. And we live pretty much normally even going to -GASP-restaurants multiple times a week.  Travelling, the gym, etc
Or maybe we did have it and didn't know? DH is the only one who has been tested for antibodies- his Dr does it with routine bloodwork. He is negative.
Who knows- maybe some people have natural immunity. Maybe some people are less susceptible to it due to their immune response.
It hasn't been around long enough to know any of this.
Exactly! My sister was telling me how 50% in NJ were unvaccinated and I asked of the 50% how many had Covid this year, because then maybe it’s only 25% who neither had the vaccine or Covid, which means there is more protection then just saying 50% are walking around killing NJ. Then if you really like numbers like I do, I want to know of let’s say that 25% how many tested for antibodies or haven’t had Covid, then watch number go down even further.
I need all the data, these statements of “unvaccinated creating mutations and the reason for the spikes” isn’t making sense to me without seeing actual data that supports it. Especially when the vaccine is now requiring a 3rd shot within the same year and vaccinated are getting Covid.
And then of course, there's Isreal. The article I posted on the schoool year thread.
Highest vaccination rate in the world and Covid is surging there.
Who are we blaming for that?
That was my question here. What if EVERYONE got vaccinated and people were still getting sick. Who will you blame then? Right now they are blaming the unvaccinated when they don't even know if the vaccinated are spreading to the vaccinated. There are no numbers to prove it. They say, well the majority in the hospital is unvaccinated. How are we really supposed to know that? Anyone can say anything and like you said, we are just supposed to say, ok I believe you.
Then you blame the vaccine and the companies who made it because clearly it isn't working.
I doubt that will ever happened, especially since they have zero liability for vaccines. Even if they truly know it, they’ll blame it on every and anything under the sun except the vaccine. Big Pharma is ‘big’ for a reason.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Posted by jellybean78
Posted by Raging2020
It’s something that I wish was easily available. Was hoping there was somewhere it was tracked.
I can’t imagine going to school maskless if the numbers are actually true. But hearing stories about people I know in real life going in for something and being required to Covid test for a concussion….is that part of the numbers? Are we back to testing healthy people to drive up numbers or are children really getting sick and hospital because of Covid? As a parent I want to know. I’m all about my kids being maskless, but this one has me curious.
ETA. How are you supposed to make informed decisions for your child when you can’t get the information you need???
I don't know why the data is so hard to find. I would think if the numbers of kids hospitalized is really increasing that the data would be all over the news supporting the claim. I agree it's hard to make informed decisions right now considering the lack of transparency on so many things COVID related.
Like I want to know the real percentage of vaccinated people getting COVID. It seems to me based on my social circle and what I've heard that a lot of vaccinated people are getting COVID now....more so than unvaccinated.
I would like to know the number of unvaccinated who had Covid this year. How many are truly unprotected? How many who are unvaccinated and got Covid twice this year?
I want to know what’s driving this “it’s all the unvaccinated fault” hypothesis. I haven’t had Covid a second time this year. My son has not had it at all.
My husband, DD and I all never had it. And we live pretty much normally even going to -GASP-restaurants multiple times a week. Travelling, the gym, etc
Or maybe we did have it and didn't know? DH is the only one who has been tested for antibodies- his Dr does it with routine bloodwork. He is negative.
Who knows- maybe some people have natural immunity. Maybe some people are less susceptible to it due to their immune response.
It hasn't been around long enough to know any of this.
Exactly! My sister was telling me how 50% in NJ were unvaccinated and I asked of the 50% how many had Covid this year, because then maybe it’s only 25% who neither had the vaccine or Covid, which means there is more protection then just saying 50% are walking around killing NJ. Then if you really like numbers like I do, I want to know of let’s say that 25% how many tested for antibodies or haven’t had Covid, then watch number go down even further.
I need all the data, these statements of “unvaccinated creating mutations and the reason for the spikes” isn’t making sense to me without seeing actual data that supports it. Especially when the vaccine is now requiring a 3rd shot within the same year and vaccinated are getting Covid.
And then of course, there's Isreal. The article I posted on the schoool year thread.
Highest vaccination rate in the world and Covid is surging there.
Who are we blaming for that?
That was my question here. What if EVERYONE got vaccinated and people were still getting sick. Who will you blame then? Right now they are blaming the unvaccinated when they don't even know if the vaccinated are spreading to the vaccinated. There are no numbers to prove it. They say, well the majority in the hospital is unvaccinated. How are we really supposed to know that? Anyone can say anything and like you said, we are just supposed to say, ok I believe you.
Then you blame the vaccine and the companies who made it because clearly it isn't working.
I doubt that will ever happened, especially since they have zero liability for vaccines. Even if they truly know it, they’ll blame it on every and anything under the sun except the vaccine. Big Pharma is ‘big’ for a reason.
This is absolutely true.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by Sash
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Posted by Sash
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by Raging2020
It’s something that I wish was easily available. Was hoping there was somewhere it was tracked.
I can’t imagine going to school maskless if the numbers are actually true. But hearing stories about people I know in real life going in for something and being required to Covid test for a concussion….is that part of the numbers? Are we back to testing healthy people to drive up numbers or are children really getting sick and hospital because of Covid? As a parent I want to know. I’m all about my kids being maskless, but this one has me curious.
ETA. How are you supposed to make informed decisions for your child when you can’t get the information you need???
I don't know why the data is so hard to find. I would think if the numbers of kids hospitalized is really increasing that the data would be all over the news supporting the claim. I agree it's hard to make informed decisions right now considering the lack of transparency on so many things COVID related.
Like I want to know the real percentage of vaccinated people getting COVID. It seems to me based on my social circle and what I've heard that a lot of vaccinated people are getting COVID now....more so than unvaccinated.
I would like to know the number of unvaccinated who had Covid this year. How many are truly unprotected? How many who are unvaccinated and got Covid twice this year?
I want to know what’s driving this “it’s all the unvaccinated fault” hypothesis. I haven’t had Covid a second time this year. My son has not had it at all.
My husband, DD and I all never had it. And we live pretty much normally even going to -GASP-restaurants multiple times a week. Travelling, the gym, etc
Or maybe we did have it and didn't know? DH is the only one who has been tested for antibodies- his Dr does it with routine bloodwork. He is negative.
Who knows- maybe some people have natural immunity. Maybe some people are less susceptible to it due to their immune response.
It hasn't been around long enough to know any of this.
Exactly! My sister was telling me how 50% in NJ were unvaccinated and I asked of the 50% how many had Covid this year, because then maybe it’s only 25% who neither had the vaccine or Covid, which means there is more protection then just saying 50% are walking around killing NJ. Then if you really like numbers like I do, I want to know of let’s say that 25% how many tested for antibodies or haven’t had Covid, then watch number go down even further.
I need all the data, these statements of “unvaccinated creating mutations and the reason for the spikes” isn’t making sense to me without seeing actual data that supports it. Especially when the vaccine is now requiring a 3rd shot within the same year and vaccinated are getting Covid.
And then of course, there's Isreal. The article I posted on the schoool year thread.
Highest vaccination rate in the world and Covid is surging there.
Who are we blaming for that?
That was my question here. What if EVERYONE got vaccinated and people were still getting sick. Who will you blame then? Right now they are blaming the unvaccinated when they don't even know if the vaccinated are spreading to the vaccinated. There are no numbers to prove it. They say, well the majority in the hospital is unvaccinated. How are we really supposed to know that? Anyone can say anything and like you said, we are just supposed to say, ok I believe you.
Then you blame the vaccine and the companies who made it because clearly it isn't working.
I doubt that will ever happened, especially since they have zero liability for vaccines. Even if they truly know it, they’ll blame it on every and anything under the sun except the vaccine. Big Pharma is ‘big’ for a reason.
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Covid hospitalization # question
I have two nieces and a friend who are nurses. One is in NYC hospital, one in Westchester and one in Philly. Although they have seen children come into ER with Covid none have been admitted to hospital and they do not have any in their hospital that are children. Majority are still non vaccinated, elderly, overweight or immunocompromised.
We will never get exact numbers told to the public
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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I have two nieces and a friend who are nurses. One is in NYC hospital, one in Westchester and one in Philly. Although they have seen children come into ER with Covid none have been admitted to hospital and they do not have any in their hospital that are children. Majority are still non vaccinated, elderly, overweight or immunocompromised.
We will never get exact numbers told to the public
Nope, never.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by MrsWoods
I have two nieces and a friend who are nurses. One is in NYC hospital, one in Westchester and one in Philly. Although they have seen children come into ER with Covid none have been admitted to hospital and they do not have any in their hospital that are children. Majority are still non vaccinated, elderly, overweight or immunocompromised.
We will never get exact numbers told to the public
You aren't allowed to say that! Shhhhh!
Funny, a girl who works for me called in sick on Thursday and Friday. She said she was exposed to Covid by her husband who had it the week before and recovered but she was feeling unwell and wanted to go get tested. Her young child- under 2 years old-had a fever as well.
She took off Thursday and Friday.
Come Monday she's back online (we work remote still) and I asked how she was doing. She said both she and her daughter tested positive. She had a fever for 3 days but she said she was fine by Saturday night. Her daughter was better as well.
Those are the stories you don't hear.
And there are a LOT of them
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Posted by MrsWoods
I have two nieces and a friend who are nurses. One is in NYC hospital, one in Westchester and one in Philly. Although they have seen children come into ER with Covid none have been admitted to hospital and they do not have any in their hospital that are children. Majority are still non vaccinated, elderly, overweight or immunocompromised.
We will never get exact numbers told to the public
You aren't allowed to say that! Shhhhh!
Funny, a girl who works for me called in sick on Thursday and Friday. She said she was exposed to Covid by her husband who had it the week before and recovered but she was feeling unwell and wanted to go get tested. Her young child- under 2 years old-had a fever as well.
She took off Thursday and Friday.
Come Monday she's back online (we work remote still) and I asked how she was doing. She said both she and her daughter tested positive. She had a fever for 3 days but she said she was fine by Saturday night. Her daughter was better as well.
Those are the stories you don't hear.
And there are a LOT of them
Absolutely and once again, do these tests show coronavirus symptoms? That is another thing that has always been brushed off. Oh no, it is definitely ONLY covid. I truly don't believe that and that is why there are so many positives at certain times of the year or within a group of people.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
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So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
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Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
I am glad you are not in that line of work as I would hope if my child went into ketoacidosis and was not vaccinated at that time, they would not push them away when they could die.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
I am glad you are not in that line of work as I would hope if my child went into ketoacidosis and was not vaccinated at that time, they would not push them away when they could die.
My comments on being treated were for adults not children cause children don’t get to make decisions on if they can be vaccinated or not!
ETA: I am saying once vaccines are available for all kids mask mandate should not be necessary anymore because parents now have a choice to protect their children or not from the virus.
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ali120206
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
I have two nieces and a friend who are nurses. One is in NYC hospital, one in Westchester and one in Philly. Although they have seen children come into ER with Covid none have been admitted to hospital and they do not have any in their hospital that are children. Majority are still non vaccinated, elderly, overweight or immunocompromised.
We will never get exact numbers told to the public
You aren't allowed to say that! Shhhhh!
Funny, a girl who works for me called in sick on Thursday and Friday. She said she was exposed to Covid by her husband who had it the week before and recovered but she was feeling unwell and wanted to go get tested. Her young child- under 2 years old-had a fever as well.
She took off Thursday and Friday.
Come Monday she's back online (we work remote still) and I asked how she was doing. She said both she and her daughter tested positive. She had a fever for 3 days but she said she was fine by Saturday night. Her daughter was better as well.
Those are the stories you don't hear.
And there are a LOT of them
Yes - a lot of friends had it around spring break. They were banged up for a few days but their kids only ran low fevers for a short time and were cranky. My neighbor just had it and she said it's like a bad cold (she was vaccinated though).
I was looking through the CDC data tracker last night with my friend as that is what is going to be used to determine masking at our school and it looks like although covid cases are increasing by huge percentages (and I understand any increase from very low numbers equals a large percentage) it's important to note that the death rate is very low.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
I am glad you are not in that line of work as I would hope if my child went into ketoacidosis and was not vaccinated at that time, they would not push them away when they could die.
My comments on being treated were for adults not children cause children don’t get to make decisions on if they can be vaccinated or not!
ETA: I am saying once vaccines are available for all kids mask mandate should not be necessary anymore because parents now have a choice to protect their children or not from the virus.
Ok that is so much better. I would feel better then if my husband or adult child had an issue that could cause them to die be overlooked too.
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blu6385
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
I am glad you are not in that line of work as I would hope if my child went into ketoacidosis and was not vaccinated at that time, they would not push them away when they could die.
My comments on being treated were for adults not children cause children don’t get to make decisions on if they can be vaccinated or not!
ETA: I am saying once vaccines are available for all kids mask mandate should not be necessary anymore because parents now have a choice to protect their children or not from the virus.
Ok that is so much better. I would feel better then if my husband or adult child had an issue that could cause them to die be overlooked too.
I said my answer was cruel but really the back and forth on getting vaccinated or not is out of hand. Don’t get vaccinate but if you get covid and get a serious case how is that anyone’s problem but yours??? Other people shoudl not have to worry about protecting me if I chose not to vaccinate. I don’t expect people to feel bad for me if I made the choice to take the risk and I made the wrong choose and got a bad case! That’s my point.
So roll your eye all you want at me.
I have no problem admitting when my answer is an assshole comment to most but I have always lack empathy in all situations that I feel could have taken different outcome if a different choice could have been made but was chosen not to! (Yes even for myself )
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
I am glad you are not in that line of work as I would hope if my child went into ketoacidosis and was not vaccinated at that time, they would not push them away when they could die.
My comments on being treated were for adults not children cause children don’t get to make decisions on if they can be vaccinated or not!
ETA: I am saying once vaccines are available for all kids mask mandate should not be necessary anymore because parents now have a choice to protect their children or not from the virus.
Ok that is so much better. I would feel better then if my husband or adult child had an issue that could cause them to die be overlooked too.
I said my answer was cruel but really the back and forth on getting vaccinated or not is out of hand. Don’t get vaccinate but if you get covid and get a serious case how is that anyone’s problem but yours??? Other people shoudl not have to worry about protecting me if I chose not to vaccinate. I don’t expect people to feel bad for me if I made the choice to take the risk and I made the wrong choose and got a bad case! That’s my point.
So roll your eye all you want at me.
I have no problem admitting when my answer is an assshole comment to most but I have always lack empathy in all situations that I feel could have taken different outcome if a different choice could have been made but was chosen not to! (Yes even for myself )
Then you can say that for any situation that someone had a choice.
It just then goes by whose choice is the worst who we decide who can live or not.
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My boys...my everything <3
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Some children hospitals are filling up in the south and I don’t think they are lying about it. I think what they are saying is Yes there’s kids in there without covid but there’s also a lot with. And if anyone gets admitted no matter he reason there won’t be a bed for them and that’s where the problem lays.
This debate is old now honestly. Clearly kids are getting it and dying from it. Are all of them no. Is the percentage relatively low who do die from it yes. But the fact is no one can predict how a child is going to react and it’s up to each parent to decide the risk is worth taking.
I go back and forth on mask mandates (i lean mostly in it being optional and I will be fine if they are optional) here’s why I won’t throw a fit if they are mandated. I think till the vaccine available for all kids I get the mandates. Once they are available for all kids then I don’t think it’s nesscary anymore cause then parents have a choice to protect their kids or not.
Same way I feel about adults. If you choose not to get a vaccine I’m cool with that but my theory is if you end up in a hospital and the choices between someone who is vaccinated to be safe and not vaccinated the vaccinated person should be saved. Or if a crash Victim comes in they can’t be saved because someone who chose not to get vaccinated is taking up a bed no how is that fair. I know that probably sounds cruel but everyone keep saying that why is anyone worried about the non vaccinated then they should get last to be treated if choices have to be made. Will that actual happen but I think it should.
That said I found this data not sure if it helps Data
If that doesn’t work I got it from the bottom of this article
Article
So someone would have to show proof of why they can not be vaccinated? You would just shove someone aside because they decided not to vaccinate even though the person who did vaccinate is still in the hospital sick?
How does this even make sense and who would make that decision. Inney Meanney, Minney Mow?
Hey i admitted it was cruel and also said it wouldn’t happen but yes if you chose not get vaccinate because you’re didn’t believe in it or didn’t trust it and you felt you will be fine when you get covid why should you be save overt someone else who did!!
Good thing I don’t have a say in this cause I clearly am an asssshole no problem admitting it.
Also FTR I felt this way before I made an decision on being vaccinated or not!!
I am glad you are not in that line of work as I would hope if my child went into ketoacidosis and was not vaccinated at that time, they would not push them away when they could die.
My comments on being treated were for adults not children cause children don’t get to make decisions on if they can be vaccinated or not!
ETA: I am saying once vaccines are available for all kids mask mandate should not be necessary anymore because parents now have a choice to protect their children or not from the virus.
When someone keeps being pushed in different ways to make a decision, it’s no longer a choice.
Question...once the covid vaccine gets to be mandated for children in school, meaning it’s either the child gets vaccinated or stops attending school, do u think this child deserves an education from an educational institution like public schools, private, etc?
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Also how do we know if the patient's vaccine has worn off?
There are so many variables and it makes NO sense to say ONLY unvaccinated people should be pushed away.
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danielle3203
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Covid hospitalization # question
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/new-york
check out this site. gives you an idea.
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Re: Covid hospitalization # question
Posted by soontobemommyof2
When someone keeps being pushed in different ways to make a decision, it’s no longer a choice.
Question...once the covid vaccine gets to be mandated for children in school, meaning it’s either the child gets vaccinated or stops attending school, do u think this child deserves an education from an educational institution like public schools, private, etc?
Wait you mean the way it is already now in NY. Where was everyone when they got rid of religious and medical Exceptions For vaccines. When tons of kids were kicked out of school cause their parents didn’t want them vaccinated so now they home school! The only ones that made an uproar where the parents it effected?!!
Do I think vaccines should be mandated I lean always more towards no but that also doesn’t mean I don’t get where the other side is coming from.
So with that said I don’t think it was already fair that kids now can’t go to school vaccinated but it was a choice their parents had and they made them. While it sucks it currently is the law (mandate not really sure if the correct term) And even if you didn’t like the choices you still had a choice you can vaccinate send your kids or don’t keep them home and homeschool them. You could move out of the state or even the country. Is it easy to do that no but it is still a choice. You may not like your options but you are still given a choice. You are not told you have to do something like you are told in other parts of the world where you really have no choice.
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