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Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
What did you think? A few things reay surprised me, and FH beat me on the death predictions. I am so glad she put in the epilogue, but of course I wanted MORE, and I still don't quite understand all of the events leading up to the ending.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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I was a little confused about the draco/wand thing....but I was reading so fast I may have missed it.
I was proud to be right about a lot of things!!! I KNEW harry was a horcrux and that he would have to "die" in some way. I need to reread the last few chapters when I have a clear head because I was so anxious to get to the end I think I missed some of it.
I feel bad for snape... but loved the twist that Dumbledore was going to die anyway.
Not sure how I felt about the epilogue.. I was getting confused with all the names of the kids being other characters.
She certaintly killed off quite a few characters though...Hmmmm
What did you think?
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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I was mostly upset about Fred's death - I hated that a Weasly had to die :(
I also read a bit too fast though, and am confused as to how Draco got the wand? And how Harry figured it out? I think I'm going to have to reread the book and pay a bit more attention. All of the flipping scenes really confused me too - all the back and forth between Voldermort's brain and Harry's... Yeah... maybe I'll read when I'm back from Disney :P
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| Posted 7/22/07 9:35 PM |
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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I was mostly upset about Fred's death - I hated that a Weasly had to die :(
I also read a bit too fast though, and am confused as to how Draco got the wand? And how Harry figured it out? I think I'm going to have to reread the book and pay a bit more attention. All of the flipping scenes really confused me too - all the back and forth between Voldermort's brain and Harry's... Yeah... maybe I'll read when I'm back from Disney :P
I just read it again(last two chapters) and Im still confused about the wand thing. It said the wand choose a new owner...and that draco didnt even know it. Why did the wand choose draco? The only thing I can think of is in book 6 when they were on the tower... didnt draco use "expelliarmus" agaisnt dumbledore? Oh that has to be it... so he disarmed dumbledore and the wand become reightfully his...has to be it right?
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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yes draco used expelliarmus on the wand and so "won" it from dumbledore. what i don't get is what happened to the piece of soul inside harry? i get everything else, but i just can't seem to figure this part out.... i know i must be missing something obvious.
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
I think you've got it - I asked a friend of mine, and she said she thought the same thing.
Man - this woman has quite the imagination!
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| Posted 7/22/07 10:08 PM |
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by phoenix913
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yes draco used expelliarmus on the wand and so "won" it from dumbledore. what i don't get is what happened to the piece of soul inside harry? i get everything else, but i just can't seem to figure this part out.... i know i must be missing something obvious.
I think that when Harry gave himself up, Voldemort killed that piece of himself with the curse rather than Harry.
What did you guys think about Snape being in love with Lily all those years... it made me kind of sad for him. The doe thing got me... when Dumbledore said "even still after all these years" and Snape said "always" I was 
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by Jen2999
Posted by phoenix913
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yes draco used expelliarmus on the wand and so "won" it from dumbledore. what i don't get is what happened to the piece of soul inside harry? i get everything else, but i just can't seem to figure this part out.... i know i must be missing something obvious.
I think that when Harry gave himself up, Voldemort killed that piece of himself with the curse rather than Harry.
What did you guys think about Snape being in love with Lily all those years... it made me kind of sad for him. The doe thing got me... when Dumbledore said "even still after all these years" and Snape said "always" I was
That part really surprised me - I had no idea of the connection between Lily and Snape. I would be interested to see more of when they were all at Hogwarts. And how Lily and James wound up together when she obviously was not a huge fan of his in school.
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| Posted 7/22/07 10:57 PM |
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phoenix913
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
thanks, i just went back and re-read a whole bunch of stuff and it's all making sense now sort of...
one more question, in the chapter w/harry and dumbledore at the end harry says something like even if his parents had the invisibility cloak it wouldn't have made them curse-proof. but in the chapter w/mr. lovegood where he mentions what the real invisibility cloak is like he seems to say that someone would be curse-proof under it. inconsistency, or am i misinterpreting mr. lovegood?
i kind of suspected the snape/lily connection, but i certainly didn't see it extending as far back as it did. snape is by far the most interesting character in the whole series. and now i get why he SO ****** when harry called him a coward at the end of book 6.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by phoenix913
thanks, i just went back and re-read a whole bunch of stuff and it's all making sense now sort of...
one more question, in the chapter w/harry and dumbledore at the end harry says something like even if his parents had the invisibility cloak it wouldn't have made them curse-proof. but in the chapter w/mr. lovegood where he mentions what the real invisibility cloak is like he seems to say that someone would be curse-proof under it. inconsistency, or am i misinterpreting mr. lovegood?
i kind of suspected the snape/lily connection, but i certainly didn't see it extending as far back as it did. snape is by far the most interesting character in the whole series. and now i get why he SO ****** when harry called him a coward at the end of book 6.
I was a bit confused about that too. The only thing I can think of is that lily and james didnt even have wands on them when Voldemort came to the house, it is unlikely that they would have thought of the cloak...he caught them by surprise.
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| Posted 7/23/07 6:41 AM |
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by Jen2999
Posted by phoenix913
thanks, i just went back and re-read a whole bunch of stuff and it's all making sense now sort of...
one more question, in the chapter w/harry and dumbledore at the end harry says something like even if his parents had the invisibility cloak it wouldn't have made them curse-proof. but in the chapter w/mr. lovegood where he mentions what the real invisibility cloak is like he seems to say that someone would be curse-proof under it. inconsistency, or am i misinterpreting mr. lovegood?
i kind of suspected the snape/lily connection, but i certainly didn't see it extending as far back as it did. snape is by far the most interesting character in the whole series. and now i get why he SO ****** when harry called him a coward at the end of book 6.
I was a bit confused about that too. The only thing I can think of is that lily and james didnt even have wands on them when Voldemort came to the house, it is unlikely that they would have thought of the cloak...he caught them by surprise.
Doesn't Dumbledore have the invisibility cloth at that point? He took it from James he says, but points out that Voldemort still would have been able to find him.
I was confused about the wand as well. The Elder Wand was the wand that Draco was using the whole book?
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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Posted by phoenix913
thanks, i just went back and re-read a whole bunch of stuff and it's all making sense now sort of...
one more question, in the chapter w/harry and dumbledore at the end harry says something like even if his parents had the invisibility cloak it wouldn't have made them curse-proof. but in the chapter w/mr. lovegood where he mentions what the real invisibility cloak is like he seems to say that someone would be curse-proof under it. inconsistency, or am i misinterpreting mr. lovegood?
i kind of suspected the snape/lily connection, but i certainly didn't see it extending as far back as it did. snape is by far the most interesting character in the whole series. and now i get why he SO ****** when harry called him a coward at the end of book 6.
I was a bit confused about that too. The only thing I can think of is that lily and james didnt even have wands on them when Voldemort came to the house, it is unlikely that they would have thought of the cloak...he caught them by surprise.
Doesn't Dumbledore have the invisibility cloth at that point? He took it from James he says, but points out that Voldemort still would have been able to find him.
I was confused about the wand as well. The Elder Wand was the wand that Draco was using the whole book?
NO, the elder wand wouldn't work for voldemort because he was not the rightful owner of it, Draco was. This is because Draco disarmed Dumbledore at the end of book 6, so the wand chose Draco.
I don't remember the invisibility cloak being protection against charms, I thought Lovegood said that a real invisibililty cloak was not a cloak that had a charm that would deteriorate over time, but not that it would protect the person it was hiding from charms. Harry said that it wouldn't have mattered if his parents had had it because Voldemort knew where they were, so the cloak wouldnt't have been able to hide them.
What I haven't been able to put together is how Neville got the Sword of Griffyndor, the last I remember, the goblin disappeared with it, so where did Neville get it from? Did I miss that part.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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Posted by phoenix913
thanks, i just went back and re-read a whole bunch of stuff and it's all making sense now sort of...
one more question, in the chapter w/harry and dumbledore at the end harry says something like even if his parents had the invisibility cloak it wouldn't have made them curse-proof. but in the chapter w/mr. lovegood where he mentions what the real invisibility cloak is like he seems to say that someone would be curse-proof under it. inconsistency, or am i misinterpreting mr. lovegood?
i kind of suspected the snape/lily connection, but i certainly didn't see it extending as far back as it did. snape is by far the most interesting character in the whole series. and now i get why he SO ****** when harry called him a coward at the end of book 6.
I was a bit confused about that too. The only thing I can think of is that lily and james didnt even have wands on them when Voldemort came to the house, it is unlikely that they would have thought of the cloak...he caught them by surprise.
Doesn't Dumbledore have the invisibility cloth at that point? He took it from James he says, but points out that Voldemort still would have been able to find him.
I was confused about the wand as well. The Elder Wand was the wand that Draco was using the whole book?
NO, the elder wand wouldn't work for voldemort because he was not the rightful owner of it, Draco was. This is because Draco disarmed Dumbledore at the end of book 6, so the wand chose Draco.
I don't remember the invisibility cloak being protection against charms, I thought Lovegood said that a real invisibililty cloak was not a cloak that had a charm that would deteriorate over time, but not that it would protect the person it was hiding from charms. Harry said that it wouldn't have mattered if his parents had had it because Voldemort knew where they were, so the cloak wouldnt't have been able to hide them.
What I haven't been able to put together is how Neville got the Sword of Griffyndor, the last I remember, the goblin disappeared with it, so where did Neville get it from? Did I miss that part.
Neville got the sword from the Sorting Hat.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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Neville got the sword from the Sorting Hat.
It was in the hat when Voldemort made him put it on? Where did the hat get it from?
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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Neville got the sword from the Sorting Hat.
It was in the hat when Voldemort made him put it on? Where did the hat get it from?
Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled the sword out of the hat. Harry did the same thing in Chamber of Secrets.
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| Posted 7/23/07 10:52 AM |
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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Neville got the sword from the Sorting Hat.
It was in the hat when Voldemort made him put it on? Where did the hat get it from?
Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled the sword out of the hat. Harry did the same thing in Chamber of Secrets.
ah yes, so I should have read them all again not just book 6 lol.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
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Posted by phoenix913
thanks, i just went back and re-read a whole bunch of stuff and it's all making sense now sort of...
one more question, in the chapter w/harry and dumbledore at the end harry says something like even if his parents had the invisibility cloak it wouldn't have made them curse-proof. but in the chapter w/mr. lovegood where he mentions what the real invisibility cloak is like he seems to say that someone would be curse-proof under it. inconsistency, or am i misinterpreting mr. lovegood?
i kind of suspected the snape/lily connection, but i certainly didn't see it extending as far back as it did. snape is by far the most interesting character in the whole series. and now i get why he SO ****** when harry called him a coward at the end of book 6.
I was a bit confused about that too. The only thing I can think of is that lily and james didnt even have wands on them when Voldemort came to the house, it is unlikely that they would have thought of the cloak...he caught them by surprise.
Lily and James didn't have their wands on them the night they were murdered - they were defenseless, as they would have fought Voldemort, but were unable to b/c they had been ratted out on their location. James died instantly when Voldemort came into the house and then Lily was murdered - this whole memory was in Book 7 when Harry and Voldemort met at his parents old house - it was all in italics as Harry learned how that night ended up coming about. Plus, Dumbledore had the invisibility cloke as he told Harry this in the last part of the book b/c he wanted to get all the parts of the Deahtly Hollows and the reason he was able to pass it down to Harry in Book 1.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Did anyone else find the persecution of Muggles and Muggle-borns disturbing? I felt very much like it was reflective of Nazi Germany... I don't know if Rowling intended to do that, but I thought about it a lot - the muggle-borns having to sign up that they were muggle born, the trials at the ministry..
Am I the only one who made this connection?
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by SweetTooth
Did anyone else find the persecution of Muggles and Muggle-borns disturbing? I felt very much like it was reflective of Nazi Germany... I don't know if Rowling intended to do that, but I thought about it a lot - the muggle-borns having to sign up that they were muggle born, the trials at the ministry..
Am I the only one who made this connection?
When she talked about the chairs I thought the same thing. I saw a Holocaust memorial when I was in Philly that sounded similar to the how she described the bodies, with the exception of chairs on top.
Here is a pic I found on the internet.
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Jen2999
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
SO Im assuming the small frail dying thing was the piece of voldemort's soul that was finally out of harry... pretty cool.
Also.. I just realized that when Snape asked harry to look at him right before he died it was to see lily's eyes one last time.... I seriously love him now!
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by SweetTooth
Did anyone else find the persecution of Muggles and Muggle-borns disturbing? I felt very much like it was reflective of Nazi Germany... I don't know if Rowling intended to do that, but I thought about it a lot - the muggle-borns having to sign up that they were muggle born, the trials at the ministry..
Am I the only one who made this connection?
Yes I thought the same. Also.. with harry having to sacrafice himself and then the people being protected by him because of his sacfrafice... total christ story.
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SweetTooth
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
I wonder if kids make all these connections, or if they just see the story at face value.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by SweetTooth
I wonder if kids make all these connections, or if they just see the story at face value.
I think it will depend on the age - some of the older groups might put and 2 together - those around 8/10 might just take it at face value.
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
Posted by SweetTooth
Did anyone else find the persecution of Muggles and Muggle-borns disturbing? I felt very much like it was reflective of Nazi Germany... I don't know if Rowling intended to do that, but I thought about it a lot - the muggle-borns having to sign up that they were muggle born, the trials at the ministry..
Am I the only one who made this connection?
Yeah, I kept thinking about this as well as I was reading the book. Maybe J K Rowling did it to make the reader understand the complexities of the situation and just how grave it all was.
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phoenix913
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Re: Deathly Hallows - only look if you have FINISHED the book
it reminded me too of nazi germany, plus how grindelwald was defeated in 1945 and his prison was named nurmengard.
so if i could go back to the cloak one more time, hypothetically if lily and james did have it in their possession that night and had the presence of mind to use it, would it or would it not have protected them?
i'm also still wondering how voldemort got his wand back after that night in godric's hollow. if he fled bodiless, how was he holding his wand still?
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