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Doctors who study outside of the US
I've been on this researching kick of all doctors I have always been to see for various issues. I've been looking up their education, any suits filed against them, etc.
I have discovered that a few have gone to school in other parts of the world, such as the West Indies, for example.
Now, I have heard in the past many doctors try to apply to med programs here in the US & are denied, so they try for other parts of the world and are able to get in easier. I am not sure if this is true.
Secondly, I am not going to just assume this is WHY a doctor chose to study somewhere outside of the US, and I certainly don't think that the medical programs here are "the best," either, KWIM?
Does anyone have any insight?
Would this concern you a bit?
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I'm not an expert on the subject, but the only person I know that studied medicine outside the US did so because he didn't get accepted to school here.
Of course this is one specific instance, I don't know what the statistics are...
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I have friends that went to med school outside of the US and came here to work with a work visa.. My friends had to take 3 very hard and long test to convalidate their studies and after that they had to do an internship and from there they applied for work in different hospital around the US. They did it this way bc of how expensive is here to go to med school (one of them was even accepted to notre dame but couldnt afford it). The best thing for them is that they graduate from med school without the need of student loans or very little on loans.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
My friend went to Med School outside the US bc it was cheaper. He graduated from the program and now has to finish stuff here. IMO it's just as good.
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ahh - I wasn't even thinking that it would be less expensive. Hmm..interesting. That throws a new angle into it!
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My friend has finished medical school (here) and is currently completing a fellowship in one of the top plastic surgery programs/hospitals in the country. I asked him this once and he said schools overseas are cheaper, but may also be easier to get into depending on where. Regardless he said, everyone has to pass the same boards when they are finished so he said what I should research more is where they did their residency. He said top hospitals take the students that scored higher on their boards. So in researching specialists for my DS, I make sure to find out where they completed their residency requirement. Hope that helps!
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
When I choose a doctor I definitely look at where they went to school. It's not the only thing I look at but it is a consideration.
The only people I know who went to foreign med schools (carribean) went there because they were rejected everywhere in the U.S. I'm sure it's not true for everyone but I personally would not go to a doctor who went to med school outside of the U.S. unless there were extenuating circumstances and I was specifically referred to this doctor who was known to be outstanding in his/her field.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
I worked for an offshore med school for a very brief period of time... it's true that most people opt for them because they do not qualify for med school here in the states.
When I was working, only grads of St. Georges, Grenada/West Indies were recognized to practice in all 50 states. I'm not sure if this has changed, but all doctors have to take the same tests to practice.
The experience definitely made me more aware of where my doctors graduated from.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
I know doctors who graduated from Ivy League schools that I wouldn't let touch me. There are other docs I work with that graduated from Ross and St. George and are some of the best docs I know. Its true that all docs practicing here must pass step 1,2,3 no matter where they went to school they are all taking the same exams. Those people who can't cut it easily get weeded out by these exams. On the other hand, there are also docs who got into prestigious med schools because a parent went there, and/or because they can afford to pay for the entire tuition outright.
If you feel comfortable with a doctor, then don't discount them just because of where they went to school.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
My friend also went to Ross Univ in Dominica. I dont think he was accepted to any programs in the US, but he did intern in the US. It was drastically cheaper too.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Doctor's who study outside of the US still have to pass the US medical boards and complete a US residency so I would not worry so much about where they went to school.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by LiveForMoments
I'm not an expert on the subject, but the only person I know that studied medicine outside the US did so because he didn't get accepted to school here.
Of course this is one specific instance, I don't know what the statistics are...
My summation with a dr I had once too....he was awful and I think that's why he went to med school out of the US.
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This is coming from someone from medical family. American HS graduates who don't get into American medical schools and seriously looked down upon. Almost all of them does not get into American medical schools.. due to grades and mcat scores. The education is honestly subpar.. many of them do not pass the board exams in the first or second go.. I speak of this with experience. So many of my friends are in this situation right now.. their parents wanted them to become docs, and shipped them out, and they are in limbo.. meaning there is atleast a one or two year gap after medical school for them to match with residency.
I would also loosely categorize D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathic medicine in this category unless they specialize in physical medicine or rehab or something like that. DOs don't take the same licensing exams as MDs. Hardly anyone in DO school would admit that DO school was their first choice.. they probably didn't make it to medical school. They are not of the same qualifications. They don't have the same educational training.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by apples99
I would also loosely categorize D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathic medicine in this category unless they specialize in physical medicine or rehab or something like that. DOs don't take the same licensing exams as MDs. Hardly anyone in DO school would admit that DO school was their first choice.. they probably didn't make it to medical school. They are not of the same qualifications. They don't have the same educational training.
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Not sure where ur getting ur info from but if u have done any research you will find that do's and md's are VERY similar
An M.D. is a doctor of Allopathic medicine — the treatment of disease using conventional evidence-based medical therapies — whereas a D.O. is a doctor of Osteopathic Medicine — a branch of medicine based on the philosophy of treating the whole person to prevent, diagnose and treat illness, disease and injury.
D.O.s and M.D.s are alike:
* Applicants to both D.O. and M.D. medical colleges typically have four-year undergraduate degrees with an emphasis on scientific courses.
* Both D.O.s and M.D.s complete four years of basic medical education.
* After medical school, both D.O.s and M.D.s obtain graduate medical education through such programs as internships and residencies. This training typically lasts three to six years and prepares D.O.s and M.D.s to practice a specialty.
* Both D.O.s and M.D.s can choose to practice in any specialty area of medicine, such as pediatrics, family practice, psychiatry, surgery or obstetrics.
* Both must pass comparable examinations to obtain state licenses.
* Both practice in fully accredited and licensed health care facilities.
* Together, D.O.s and M.D.s enhance the state of health care available in America.
But the real distinction between an M.D. and a D.O. is that D.O.s bring something extra to the field of medicine:
* Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians.
* D.O.s belong to a separate, yet equal, branch of American medical care.
* D.O.s practice a "whole person" approach to medicine. Instead of just treating specific symptoms or illnesses, they regard your body as an integrated whole.
* Osteopathic physicians focus on preventive healthcare.
* D.O.s receive extra training in the musculoskeletal system, which is your body's interconnected system of nerves, muscles and bones that make up two-thirds of your body mass. This training provides osteopathic physicians with a better understanding of the ways that an illness or injury in one part of your body can affect another.
* Osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) is incorporated into the training and practice of osteopathic physicians. With OMT, osteopathic physicians use their hands to diagnose illness and injury and to encourage your body's natural tendency toward good health. By combining all other available medical options with OMT, D.O.s offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today.
not sure how familiar u are w the medical field but CLEARLY a DO is just as qualified - if not MORESO qualified than a MD.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
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not sure how familiar u are w the medical field but CLEARLY a DO is just as qualified - if not MORESO qualified than a MD.
Exactly!
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Posted by WNA01
But the real distinction between an M.D. and a D.O. is that D.O.s bring something extra to the field of medicine:
* Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians.
* D.O.s belong to a separate, yet equal, branch of American medical care.
* D.O.s practice a "whole person" approach to medicine. Instead of just treating specific symptoms or illnesses, they regard your body as an integrated whole.
* Osteopathic physicians focus on preventive healthcare.
* D.O.s receive extra training in the musculoskeletal system, which is your body's interconnected system of nerves, muscles and bones that make up two-thirds of your body mass. This training provides osteopathic physicians with a better understanding of the ways that an illness or injury in one part of your body can affect another.
* Osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) is incorporated into the training and practice of osteopathic physicians. With OMT, osteopathic physicians use their hands to diagnose illness and injury and to encourage your body's natural tendency toward good health. By combining all other available medical options with OMT, D.O.s offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today.
not sure how familiar u are w the medical field but CLEARLY a DO is just as qualified - if not MORESO qualified than a MD.
I'm actually very familiar with the Medical field, what I posted was not cut and paste from Wikepedia (not that there's anything wrong with it). And if by allopathic medicine you mean conventional medicine.. you are right. They are educated to practice conventional medicine.. as opposed to DOs.
Manipulative medicine is good for spine and injury related issues. And from PURE education perspective.. the curriculum is TOTALLY different. And also I can honestly say that students who go to MD school have higher GPA and MCAT scores that studies who go to DO school.
The extra.. that you talk about is not relevant.. unless again, you are going for spine manipulation. In that case, yes, DO's have more classroom experience than MDs. Other than that.. I don't understand how a DO is "more" qualified to be a medical doctor than a person who goes through the rigors of an medical school. For example.. the anatomy class that MD students take is totally different from what DO students take. Not that one is better than the other.. the focus is different, the education is different, and what they are being tested on is different.
And DO is not an internationally recognizable medical degree.. and though there are DO is other countries, for them to practice medicine, they are required to take a 2 year MD course.
Of course, once they go through practical training, i.e. internship and residency they are very similar to the average consumer. And ask any DO that you know who will give you an an honest answer.. had they gotten into MD school would they have gone to DO school? Guaranteed.. 100% answer will be no.
Didn't mean to flame you.. I have both DO's and MDs in my family.. and I almost got into medicine before I opted out.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by apples99
Posted by WNA01
But the real distinction between an M.D. and a D.O. is that D.O.s bring something extra to the field of medicine:
* Osteopathic medical schools emphasize training students to be primary care physicians.
* D.O.s belong to a separate, yet equal, branch of American medical care.
* D.O.s practice a "whole person" approach to medicine. Instead of just treating specific symptoms or illnesses, they regard your body as an integrated whole.
* Osteopathic physicians focus on preventive healthcare.
* D.O.s receive extra training in the musculoskeletal system, which is your body's interconnected system of nerves, muscles and bones that make up two-thirds of your body mass. This training provides osteopathic physicians with a better understanding of the ways that an illness or injury in one part of your body can affect another.
* Osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) is incorporated into the training and practice of osteopathic physicians. With OMT, osteopathic physicians use their hands to diagnose illness and injury and to encourage your body's natural tendency toward good health. By combining all other available medical options with OMT, D.O.s offer their patients the most comprehensive care available in medicine today.
not sure how familiar u are w the medical field but CLEARLY a DO is just as qualified - if not MORESO qualified than a MD.
I'm actually very familiar with the Medical field, what I posted was not cut and paste from Wikepedia (not that there's anything wrong with it). And if by allopathic medicine you mean conventional medicine.. you are right. They are educated to practice conventional medicine.. as opposed to DOs.
Manipulative medicine is good for spine and injury related issues. And from PURE education perspective.. the curriculum is TOTALLY different. And also I can honestly say that students who go to MD school have higher GPA and MCAT scores that studies who go to DO school.
The extra.. that you talk about is not relevant.. unless again, you are going for spine manipulation. In that case, yes, DO's have more classroom experience than MDs. Other than that.. I don't understand how a DO is "more" qualified to be a medical doctor than a person who goes through the rigors of an medical school. For example.. the anatomy class that MD students take is totally different from what DO students take. Not that one is better than the other.. the focus is different, the education is different, and what they are being tested on is different.
And DO is not an internationally recognizable medical degree.. and though there are DO is other countries, for them to practice medicine, they are required to take a 2 year MD course.
Of course, once they go through practical training, i.e. internship and residency they are very similar to the average consumer. And ask any DO that you know who will give you an an honest answer.. had they gotten into MD school would they have gone to DO school? Guaranteed.. 100% answer will be no.
Didn't mean to flame you.. I have both DO's and MDs in my family.. and I almost got into medicine before I opted out.
There is so much false info in this response I am just shocked. I think you are confusing DO's with chiropractors. Chiropractors do not go to medical school. Many people choose DO schools nowadays because DO's are also more into holistic healing IN ADDITION to traditional medicine. Where did you get the info that they don't take the same classes that MD's do? I have heard of MD schools that use computers for gross anatomy lab and don't even use cadavers.
Yes its true that DO schools sometimes do have lower admission stats to MD schools, but they also take into consideration the entire application and the individuality of the applicant, not just the numbers on paper. Many of the DO residents I have worked with over the years are older residents, in thier 30's and 40's and are in medicine as a second career. I find that they are more mature and have more life experience than the 25 year olds who went straight to med school from college and never worked a day in their life before they started residency. Many of these DO's were nurses, PA's, business/finance people, in the military, were in the peace corp, etc. If you honestly think that having 25 years of nursing or PA experience doesn't make them a better doctor (I know two residents in thier 50's who do), than I don't know what to tell you.
Grades and MCAT scores alone don't make a good doctor. If that is what schools are after alone like many MD schools are, they are gong to turn out robots who have no human compassion, are competitive and arrogant, and have no idea what real life is like. One of the worst docs I ever worked with was a Yale med school graduate.
DO and MD education is the same with the exception of OMM that DO students do. For those who don't know what OMM is, its a form of manipulation of bones and such. Its taught as an addition to traditional medicine, not to replace conventional treatment using meds and surgery.
As far as them not taking the same boards, they don't. DO's take the COMLEX and MD's take the USMLE. What you didn't mention is that DO's can sit for the USMLE and most do. If they were not educated at the same standards, they would not be allowed to sit for the same exam now would they?
There are also 2 different residency tracks, one for DO's only, and one for MD's and DO's. ACGME is the traditional MD track, but DO's are welcome to apply to them and do get offered residency spots. If the education was really that different, they would not allow DO's to work IDENTICALLY to MD's in residency and beyond.
It is also false that DO's cannot practice outside of the country. Working outside of the US requires a lot of things, and even with an MD, you cannot just waltz into another country and set up shop.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by imagin916
There is so much false info in this response I am just shocked. I think you are confusing DO's with chiropractors. Chiropractors do not go to medical school. Many people choose DO schools nowadays because DO's are also more into holistic healing IN ADDITION to traditional medicine. Where did you get the info that they don't take the same classes that MD's do? I have heard of MD schools that use computers for gross anatomy lab and don't even use cadavers.
Yes its true that DO schools sometimes do have lower admission stats to MD schools, but they also take into consideration the entire application and the individuality of the applicant, not just the numbers on paper. Many of the DO residents I have worked with over the years are older residents, in thier 30's and 40's and are in medicine as a second career. I find that they are more mature and have more life experience than the 25 year olds who went straight to med school from college and never worked a day in their life before they started residency. Many of these DO's were nurses, PA's, business/finance people, in the military, were in the peace corp, etc. If you honestly think that having 25 years of nursing or PA experience doesn't make them a better doctor (I know two residents in thier 50's who do), than I don't know what to tell you.
Grades and MCAT scores alone don't make a good doctor. If that is what schools are after alone like many MD schools are, they are gong to turn out robots who have no human compassion, are competitive and arrogant, and have no idea what real life is like. One of the worst docs I ever worked with was a Yale med school graduate.
DO and MD education is the same with the exception of OMM that DO students do. For those who don't know what OMM is, its a form of manipulation of bones and such. Its taught as an addition to traditional medicine, not to replace conventional treatment using meds and surgery.
As far as them not taking the same boards, they don't. DO's take the COMLEX and MD's take the USMLE. What you didn't mention is that DO's can sit for the USMLE and most do. If they were not educated at the same standards, they would not be allowed to sit for the same exam now would they?
There are also 2 different residency tracks, one for DO's only, and one for MD's and DO's. ACGME is the traditional MD track, but DO's are welcome to apply to them and do get offered residency spots. If the education was really that different, they would not allow DO's to work IDENTICALLY to MD's in residency and beyond.
It is also false that DO's cannot practice outside of the country. Working outside of the US requires a lot of things, and even with an MD, you cannot just waltz into another country and set up shop.
Obviously there are many similarities.. and if you walk into a hospital there are DOs and MDs doing work side by side.. I didn't even think of a chiropractor.
And for all the experience you listed.. 25 years of service.. great good for them and their patients.. you went ahead and assumed that I did. I listed out the differences.
And I agree.. some the worst docs have Ivy League educations.. and worst bedside manners.. but it doesn't make them less qualified. You assess a doctor based on their skills.. when someone goes into the surgery.. most surgeons have arrogant and have no manners.. but who cares.. hiis/her skills.. if they can that stent in me and make me pristine.. thats all that matters.
For all the similarities you mentioned, there are differences... and I am not going to list them out here. And yes, they can opt out of taking the USMLE.. I didn't feel the need to post all that info.. and USMLE is harder.. you agree? And compared to MD, many DO students with age, experience, and grades being the same do not pass it in the first go either.. so sitting for an exam and passing it are two differnt things..
And about waltzing in.. the US has the highest standard for practicing medicine.This actually has been the biggest pitfall for us.. MD schools are much harder to get in, unlike other countries. And our need for docs are much higher.. so when you have a need and want.. you have to find a middle ground.. if you get my drift.
In many countries.. if you are a practicing MD, you will be able to practice medicine under a temporary license until everything is ironed out. Not a DO.
And to end it off.. if you are happy with your doc, good for you. And if your doctor who is a DO actually do practice all the hollistic approach they were taught.. great! DO is a different line of medicne.. you and I are saying the same thing.. just in different tones.
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Every patient has the right to choose who they see. I have no issue with patients choosing MD's over DO's, but I would hope its for the right reasons and not based off of false info.
Please don't assume that an arrogant attitude means that the doctor has great ability. I have worked with many who are arrogant and they are butchers. Judge a doctor on his/her outcomes and your experiences with him/her. The best docs I know are some of the nicest people you can meet. They have nothing to prove to anyone so they don't have to carry that chip on their shoulder, and because they are not mean, they work well with residents and fellows, and can pass on their experience and teachings to future doctors.
Many MD residencies will accept the COMLEX scores nowadays. The COMLEX includes material on OMM, so it differs from the USMLE that way. If there was a great difference in the exam, MD residencies wouldn't accept it. There is no evidence to show that the majority of DO students don't pass the USMLE. Many of them don't take it because they don't have to.
Personally, having worked with both DO and MD residents and attendings for 8 years now, I don't see a difference at all between their performance, but the MD/DO's that have prior healthcare experience are more comfortable in the beginning at least with patients, and they don't make as many mistakes as the new residents do since they are more familiar with meds/dosages.
As far as international goes, if someone wants to leave the US and work somewhere else, they might as well go to school in that country where its a lot cheaper than it is to go here. If the doc wants to participate in doctors without borders or something like that, they can go as a DO.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by imagin916
I know doctors who graduated from Ivy League schools that I wouldn't let touch me. There are other docs I work with that graduated from Ross and St. George and are some of the best docs I know. Its true that all docs practicing here must pass step 1,2,3 no matter where they went to school they are all taking the same exams. Those people who can't cut it easily get weeded out by these exams. On the other hand, there are also docs who got into prestigious med schools because a parent went there, and/or because they can afford to pay for the entire tuition outright.
If you feel comfortable with a doctor, then don't discount them just because of where they went to school.
I totally agree. my brother is at St. George's med school and he is one of the most brilliant people i know. my father also went to med school in Italy and is one of the top Anesthesiologists on LI.
To pick a doctor just bc he went to a "good" school is crazy to me because i have seen PLENTY of HORRIBLE doctors who went to great schools and plenty of GREAT doctors who went to schools out of the country
i'm a lawyer and i used to work in a huge firm in the city. one other lawyer who worked with me graduated undergrad from Harvard and Harvard Law - she was the most incompetent person i have ever met. i was just out of COLLEGE and i was doing the work that she was crying over. it was a joke.
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by apples99
This is coming from someone from medical family. American HS graduates who don't get into American medical schools and seriously looked down upon. Almost all of them does not get into American medical schools.. due to grades and mcat scores. The education is honestly subpar.. many of them do not pass the board exams in the first or second go.. I speak of this with experience. So many of my friends are in this situation right now.. their parents wanted them to become docs, and shipped them out, and they are in limbo.. meaning there is atleast a one or two year gap after medical school for them to match with residency.
I would also loosely categorize D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathic medicine in this category unless they specialize in physical medicine or rehab or something like that. DOs don't take the same licensing exams as MDs. Hardly anyone in DO school would admit that DO school was their first choice.. they probably didn't make it to medical school. They are not of the same qualifications. They don't have the same educational training.
wpw - i just read this.
this is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever read.
i come from a medical family also. my dad is an anesthesiologist at North Shore who went to school in Italy, my mother is a nurse anesthetist. my sister in law is a doctor at Winthrop and she graduated from St Georges. my one brother is in St George's med school and my other brother is in NYCOM DO school. BOTH brothers will end up at North Shore Manhasset.
NONE of them ever had any issues with tests, getting jobs, etc. bc they are smart and good at what they do. they have never been "looked down upon" bc of where they went to school. and the education is not subpar by any means.
I am literally shocked at how absurd your statements are. it actually makes me really angry - my father is literally one of the most successful doctor's on this island, my sister in law was chosen to work at Winthrop over TONS of kids who went to American Med School and my brothers are already being courted by top hospitals in the city and LI.
Oh, and DO school was my brother's first choice. he graduated top of his class from Boston College and he CHOSE DO school because of the different take on medicine. oh, and he's also top of his class at NYCOM as well.
just wow.
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My cousin and aunt both went to St. George's in Grenada, and I don't think that would be anyone's first choice (i.e. if you got in anywhere in the U.S., it would be better). Price may be a consideration, but those schools are more pricey than Stony Brook and the other state medical schools, which have lower tuition than private med schools. Their cadavers in the Caribbean were sub-par and missing important organs, and my cousin said that she spent most of her time on the beach. I've known friends who went to med school in Israel and Italy, and their admission requirements seemed more lax, but more difficult than the Caribbean.
BUT, when applying for residencies within the U.S., they are treated as international students, for which there is usually a quota. So she got a great residency, and is now a successful doctor at a practice here. For her we both went to the same Ivy League school, so while she is brilliant and had great MCAT scores, we were at a school that curves down to a C average grade, which made it difficult to get into a great med school here.
Honestly, it depends on the type of doctor. I feel like I could be my DS's pediatrician b/c I know before we go in what he will be prescribed for what I know is an ear infection, etc. But for my mom's oncologist, you are d@mn sure I got recommendations from the best oncologists in the country.
My boyfriend from college went to a DO school b/c he did not get into any MD programs and it was DO or the Caribbean. But he had a good residency and is now a famous dermatologist in Washington, so...
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apples99
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by smp123
wpw - i just read this.
this is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever read.
i come from a medical family also. my dad is an anesthesiologist at North Shore who went to school in Italy, my mother is a nurse anesthetist. my sister in law is a doctor at Winthrop and she graduated from St Georges. my one brother is in St George's med school and my other brother is in NYCOM DO school. BOTH brothers will end up at North Shore Manhasset.
NONE of them ever had any issues with tests, getting jobs, etc. bc they are smart and good at what they do. they have never been "looked down upon" bc of where they went to school. and the education is not subpar by any means.
I am literally shocked at how absurd your statements are. it actually makes me really angry - my father is literally one of the most successful doctor's on this island, my sister in law was chosen to work at Winthrop over TONS of kids who went to American Med School and my brothers are already being courted by top hospitals in the city and LI.
Oh, and DO school was my brother's first choice. he graduated top of his class from Boston College and he CHOSE DO school because of the different take on medicine. oh, and he's also top of his class at NYCOM as well.
just wow.
I just going to  here..
Your are brothers are smart, work hard and are successful.. but this not the case with many other graduates. Believe me your brothers will agree... maybe since NY is competitive, you less of it, but it does exist.
As for your brother an NYCOM, hats off! I wish him all the best as well.. And there are plenty of GREAT GREAT GREAT doctors who didn't go to US medical schools.. at the end of the day, I guess its a means to an end.. pick your drs wisely and if your happy if your doc, great!
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nov04libride
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by smp123
NONE of them ever had any issues with tests, getting jobs, etc. bc they are smart and good at what they do. they have never been "looked down upon" bc of where they went to school. and the education is not subpar by any means.
I honestly think your brother might not be 100% honest if he said that he hasn't been looked down upon for graduating from St. George's. It is what it is, and it doesn't mean that successful doctors can't graduate from there, but everyone knows that it is certainly easier to get into and less rigorous when you are there.
I hold one degree from Dowling, and others from ivy league schools. Someone once said to me that the Dowling degree is OK "if people don't care where you went and just care that you have the degree". I would say St. George's is the same thing. It would not be anyone's first choice.
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smp123
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Re: Doctors who study outside of the US
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by smp123
NONE of them ever had any issues with tests, getting jobs, etc. bc they are smart and good at what they do. they have never been "looked down upon" bc of where they went to school. and the education is not subpar by any means.
I honestly think your brother might not be 100% honest if he said that he hasn't been looked down upon for graduating from St. George's. It is what it is, and it doesn't mean that successful doctors can't graduate from there, but everyone knows that it is certainly easier to get into and less rigorous when you are there.
I hold one degree from Dowling, and others from ivy league schools. Someone once said to me that the Dowling degree is OK "if people don't care where you went and just care that you have the degree". I would say St. George's is the same thing. It would not be anyone's first choice.
well i am glad you can speak for the everyone and say it would not be anyone's first choice
the thing that makes me laugh about these comments are the generalizations. it isnt really worth the discussion anymore, you and the PP obviously know everything so why bother.
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