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MrsT809
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Re: Dr. Suess
Here's an article I found helpful and thought provoking.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/26/695966537/classic-books-are-full-of-problems-why-cant-we-put-them-down
"In a study published earlier this month in Research on Diversity in Youth Literature, researchers Katie Ishizuka and Ramon Stephens found that only 2 percent of the human characters in Seuss' books were people of color. And all of those characters, they say, were "depicted through racist caricatures."
Those caricatures have a potent effect, even at an early age. Research shows that even at the age of 3, children begin to form racial biases, and by the age of 7, those biases become fixed."
I'm glad they're discontinuing those books but I'm not opposed to his work as a whole. I also don't think kids need to spend a whole month on his books alone when there are many other great options without the lack of diversity and stereotypes.
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LittleDiva
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by MrsT809
Here's an article I found helpful and thought provoking.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/26/695966537/classic-books-are-full-of-problems-why-cant-we-put-them-down
"In a study published earlier this month in Research on Diversity in Youth Literature, researchers Katie Ishizuka and Ramon Stephens found that only 2 percent of the human characters in Seuss' books were people of color. And all of those characters, they say, were "depicted through racist caricatures."
Those caricatures have a potent effect, even at an early age. Research shows that even at the age of 3, children begin to form racial biases, and by the age of 7, those biases become fixed."
I'm glad they're discontinuing those books but I'm not opposed to his work as a whole. I also don't think kids need to spend a whole month on his books alone when there are many other great options without the lack of diversity and stereotypes.
Give me a break. At the age of 3 children form racial biases?!?! No, it is what parents teach their kids.
My kids all read dr Seuss and don’t have an ounce of “racial bias” in them. Just stop this craziness.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by MrsT809
Here's an article I found helpful and thought provoking.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/26/695966537/classic-books-are-full-of-problems-why-cant-we-put-them-down
"In a study published earlier this month in Research on Diversity in Youth Literature, researchers Katie Ishizuka and Ramon Stephens found that only 2 percent of the human characters in Seuss' books were people of color. And all of those characters, they say, were "depicted through racist caricatures."
Those caricatures have a potent effect, even at an early age. Research shows that even at the age of 3, children begin to form racial biases, and by the age of 7, those biases become fixed."
I'm glad they're discontinuing those books but I'm not opposed to his work as a whole. I also don't think kids need to spend a whole month on his books alone when there are many other great options without the lack of diversity and stereotypes.
Give me a break. At the age of 3 children form racial biases?!?! No, it is what parents teach their kids.
My kids all read dr Seuss and don’t have an ounce of “racial bias” in them. Just stop this craziness.
I ADORE Dr. Seuss books and I think his writing style is brilliant BUT there definitely are racial overtones, stereotypes and depictions. I don't think Dr. Seuss should be "canceled" but it's silly to not at least acknowledge WHY some people take issue.
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| Posted 3/1/21 11:17 PM |
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Just as an FYI the entity that the right says “cancelled” Suess is... Suess Enterprises...the company that manages his work. They announced it on his 117th “birthday.”
So Suess kind of cancelled Suess here. No one else.
I’m sure they came to that decision because of cancel culture pressure.
In one of his “cartoons”, it “features a crowd of men rendered in classic blackface caricature, with dark skin and pronounced red lips, being presented to a white shopper. A sign reads: “A n—- for your woodpile.”
That’s just one.
Dr. Seuss most definitely wrote many of his books with a racist undertone. Not everyone will be bothered by it, and that's fine.
Yes, there are some great ones- The Lorax and Oh the Places You'll Go come to mind.
But that doesn't mean some of his work wasn't offensive. Another cartoon of his depicts a man reading a book to Sally and the boy from The Cat in the Hat. The caption is "and the wolf chewed up the children and spit out their bones, but those were foreign children so it didn't really matter."
This is from a book you would read to a child?
It is from a comic strip. But, IMO, someone who thought was appropriate to create and publish, should not necessarily be celebrated and hailed a hero of children's literature.
So probably something a child wouldn’t even see or understand.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by BFNY516
Just as an FYI the entity that the right says “cancelled” Suess is... Suess Enterprises...the company that manages his work. They announced it on his 117th “birthday.”
So Suess kind of cancelled Suess here. No one else.
I’m sure they came to that decision because of cancel culture pressure.
In one of his “cartoons”, it “features a crowd of men rendered in classic blackface caricature, with dark skin and pronounced red lips, being presented to a white shopper. A sign reads: “A n—- for your woodpile.”
That’s just one.
Dr. Seuss most definitely wrote many of his books with a racist undertone. Not everyone will be bothered by it, and that's fine.
Yes, there are some great ones- The Lorax and Oh the Places You'll Go come to mind.
But that doesn't mean some of his work wasn't offensive. Another cartoon of his depicts a man reading a book to Sally and the boy from The Cat in the Hat. The caption is "and the wolf chewed up the children and spit out their bones, but those were foreign children so it didn't really matter."
This is from a book you would read to a child?
It is from a comic strip. But, IMO, someone who thought was appropriate to create and publish, should not necessarily be celebrated and hailed a hero of children's literature.
So probably something a child wouldn’t even see or understand.
You are completely missing my point. Nobody wants to cancel Dr. Seuss. They are no longer publishing six books. Only six.
I choose not to purchase his books, but I never said he should be outright shelved. Do I think he should be celebrated the way he is? No, I do not. But I don't think no child should ever hear his books again. The man was a genius and I admit that. These six specific books were taken off shelves. If you would like a copy, get one off of Amazon. If you don't, then why do you care?
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BFNY516
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Dr. Suess
People here are defending a children’s author who would use the N word in his craft because “well, not all his writing had the N word” and don’t see why deciding to shift the focus from an author like him to ANYONE ELSE is maybe the right messaging.
Sounds about right.
Because how could any child miss out on a great piece of literature that is so riveting and life changing about green eggs and ham or a cat in a hat?
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Naturalmama
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Dr. Suess
I went back and read "If I Ran the Zoo". All I can say is I am glad it was pulled. For more than one reason. When you know better, you do better.
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https://www.bustle.com/articles/148509-obama-praises-dr-seuss-for-teaching-him-empathy-and-responsibility
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Naturalmama
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Re: Dr. Suess
And? I don't care who endorsed him. Doesn't change my opinion or who he was.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
I have all of his books, looks like I'm sitting on a gold mine now!  The four books that have been discontinued are blowing up online, it's crazy! Someone was asking $2500 for McElligot's Pool. 
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If you have the bad dr Seuss books what do you plan on doing with them?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Anotherplease
If you have the bad dr Seuss books what do you plan on doing with them?
I have them all and I will keep them. I don't want to break up my Dr. Seuss collection and I like the books. 
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NervousNell
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Hofstra26
I have all of his books, looks like I'm sitting on a gold mine now! The four books that have been discontinued are blowing up online, it's crazy! Someone was asking $2500 for McElligot's Pool.
That's ironic isn't it?
The ones that were discontinued due to offensive content will end up being work a fortune.
Crazy how that works!
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I ask just because if you sell them and make some money off of them then you are profiting off of his racism and that would make you wrong too. So do you just burn them so they cease to exist?
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Serious rabbit hole stuff here right?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
I have all of his books, looks like I'm sitting on a gold mine now! The four books that have been discontinued are blowing up online, it's crazy! Someone was asking $2500 for McElligot's Pool.
That's ironic isn't it?
The ones that were discontinued due to offensive content will end up being work a fortune.
Crazy how that works!
I know! It's crazy what people are asking for them. I don't know that anyone would actually pay that kind of money but still.
I think it's a shame they are being discontinued. I understand the issues people have, and I respect that, but when these books were written times were very different. I think it's possible to put the illustrations and writings within the context of the culture back then and still enjoy them today. I mean, do people not watch movies from the 30's and 40's as well because many of those were racist AF. But if you put those movies in context of the times, you can still enjoy them while doing better by others today. KWIM?
I will always love Dr. Seuss, his books were fantastical as a child.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Anotherplease
I ask just because if you sell them and make some money off of them then you are profiting off of his racism and that would make you wrong too. So do you just burn them so they cease to exist?
People are free to do as they wish, I don't think it makes anyone wrong, just greedy. lol
Like I said, I won't part with mine.
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NervousNell
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Hofstra26
I have all of his books, looks like I'm sitting on a gold mine now! The four books that have been discontinued are blowing up online, it's crazy! Someone was asking $2500 for McElligot's Pool.
That's ironic isn't it?
The ones that were discontinued due to offensive content will end up being work a fortune.
Crazy how that works!
I know! It's crazy what people are asking for them. I don't know that anyone would actually pay that kind of money but still.
I think it's a shame they are being discontinued. I understand the issues people have, and I respect that, but when these books were written times were very different. I think it's possible to put the illustrations and writings within the context of the culture back then and still enjoy them today. I mean, do people not watch movies from the 30's and 40's as well because many of those were racist AF. But if you put those movies in context of the times, you can still enjoy them while doing better by others today. KWIM?
I will always love Dr. Seuss, his books were fantastical as a child.
Yes, wasn't there controversy recently with Gone with the Wind? Same kind of a thing. I think maybe putting a disclaimer of some kind in regards to the culture of the times they were written might be a better solution
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
I have all of his books, looks like I'm sitting on a gold mine now! The four books that have been discontinued are blowing up online, it's crazy! Someone was asking $2500 for McElligot's Pool.
That's ironic isn't it?
The ones that were discontinued due to offensive content will end up being work a fortune.
Crazy how that works!
I know! It's crazy what people are asking for them. I don't know that anyone would actually pay that kind of money but still.
I think it's a shame they are being discontinued. I understand the issues people have, and I respect that, but when these books were written times were very different. I think it's possible to put the illustrations and writings within the context of the culture back then and still enjoy them today. I mean, do people not watch movies from the 30's and 40's as well because many of those were racist AF. But if you put those movies in context of the times, you can still enjoy them while doing better by others today. KWIM?
I will always love Dr. Seuss, his books were fantastical as a child.
Yes, wasn't there controversy recently with Gone with the Wind? Same kind of a thing. I think maybe putting a disclaimer of some kind in regards to the culture of the times they were written might be a better solution
It's kind of sad that anyone would need a disclaimer. I find it strange that people need to be told in advance that times, culture, opinions, social norms etc were different at various points in time. But I guess that might be the only option for some.
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Anotherplease
If you have the bad dr Seuss books what do you plan on doing with them?
I have them all and I will keep them. I don't want to break up my Dr. Seuss collection and I like the books.
Same here, I will hold on to mine.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
I know some don't like Dr. Seuss, and that's fine, but am I the only one that is REALLY bothered by the fact that we're essentially BANNING books? People should be free to read what they wish and form their own opinions no matter the text. I don't need anyone making that decision for me, I'm really dismayed at this situation.
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Hofstra26
I know some don't like Dr. Seuss, and that's fine, but am I the only one that is REALLY bothered by the fact that we're essentially BANNING books? People should be free to read what they wish and form their own opinions no matter the text. I don't need anyone making that decision for me, I'm really dismayed at this situation.
I really don't think they should be banning the books but at the same time, if enough parents are opposed then maybe they should stop introducing it in schools.
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Re: Dr. Suess
Posted by Hofstra26
I know some don't like Dr. Seuss, and that's fine, but am I the only one that is REALLY bothered by the fact that we're essentially BANNING books? People should be free to read what they wish and form their own opinions no matter the text. I don't need anyone making that decision for me, I'm really dismayed at this situation.
I agree. And I look at it like it's a fabulous teaching moment. If DD and I come across something racist, sexist, etc. anywhere (TV, books, etc.), I teach her why it's wrong and that's how things used to be and how they're changing or have already changed.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Dr. Suess
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Posted by Hofstra26
I know some don't like Dr. Seuss, and that's fine, but am I the only one that is REALLY bothered by the fact that we're essentially BANNING books? People should be free to read what they wish and form their own opinions no matter the text. I don't need anyone making that decision for me, I'm really dismayed at this situation.
I agree. And I look at it like it's a fabulous teaching moment. If DD and I come across something racist, sexist, etc. anywhere (TV, books, etc.), I teach her why it's wrong and that's how things used to be and how they're changing or have already changed.
 Exactly. There is always something to be learned from a book, ANY book.
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Posted by Hofstra26
I have all of his books, looks like I'm sitting on a gold mine now! The four books that have been discontinued are blowing up online, it's crazy! Someone was asking $2500 for McElligot's Pool.
That's ironic isn't it?
The ones that were discontinued due to offensive content will end up being work a fortune.
Crazy how that works!
I know! It's crazy what people are asking for them. I don't know that anyone would actually pay that kind of money but still.
I think it's a shame they are being discontinued. I understand the issues people have, and I respect that, but when these books were written times were very different. I think it's possible to put the illustrations and writings within the context of the culture back then and still enjoy them today. I mean, do people not watch movies from the 30's and 40's as well because many of those were racist AF. But if you put those movies in context of the times, you can still enjoy them while doing better by others today. KWIM?
I will always love Dr. Seuss, his books were fantastical as a child.
You can check out EBay and see if anyone is selling them and how much they have sold for even if you are not interested in selling.
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