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Shanti
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Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Do you think drug addiction and alcoholism are a disease? I don't buy that it is a disease, it is a nice excuse to take the responsibility off the addict. Everyone of us has to make decisions all day, every day, not all of us cop out with drugs or alcohol. I know someone stuggling with this right now and from what I see, he is trying to escape the realities of his life. Not that I can even blame him but I hate what it is doing to all around him.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
no i don't consider it a disease...
But i do consider addiction (in all its forms) a disorder
ETA...most addictions are usually means for escaping hurt/reality/saddness
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
I don't tihnk that it starts as a disease but I certainly DO believe that for some it does become a disease. I have known quite a few alcholoics in my life and for them it most certainly was not a "nice excuse" for them. I watch them to this day struggle and fight.
I wish whoever you know the best of luck to get back on thier feet, it's not easy and they are going to need you SOOOO much.
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Shanti
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Posted by Redhead
no i don't consider it a disease...
But i do consider addiction (in all its forms) a disorder
I would agree with you on that and think addiction is definitely a serious problem. It just bugs me that it keeps getting called a disease. Cancer, Diabetes... those are DISEASES! People do not have a choice as they do whether or not to abuse drugs and alcohol.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
dis·ease ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-zz)
n.
A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.
Obsolete. Lack of ease; trouble.
Based on these definitions I certainly do.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
I think it is a mental illness, and once the person is addicted they should be treated like they have a disease. I also think the risk of alcoholism can be influenced by a person's genes.
ETA: How would you feel about a smoker who develops lung cancer?
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Posted by DebG
dis·ease ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-zz)
n.
A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.
Obsolete. Lack of ease; trouble.
Based on these definitions I certainly do.
even with this i still don't see it as a disease
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Shanti
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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Posted by DebG
dis·ease ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-zz)
n.
A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.
Obsolete. Lack of ease; trouble.
Based on these definitions I certainly do.
even with this i still don't see it as a disease
This confirms to me that it is NOT a disease
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Posted by MsG
I think it is a mental illness, and once the person is addicted they should be treated like they have a disease. I also think the risk of alcoholism can be influenced by a person's genes.
i agree and disagree
yes i think itis a mental illness but I DO NOT believe itis in the "genes"
IMO there is not predisposition to it
I feel that people who turn to addictions have not been taught or utilize proper coping skills....
To say that it is a gene IMO takes away the responibility in it...which i think it wrong
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Posted by Redhead
Posted by DebG
dis·ease ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-zz)
n.
A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.
Obsolete. Lack of ease; trouble.
Based on these definitions I certainly do.
even with this i still don't see it as a disease
If for no other reason then "A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful. "
Alcholism most certainly is being proven as hereditary.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
I know a recovering alocholic who himself says that addicts are known to be immature because their coping mechanism was alcohol, not dealing with their emotions.
Addiction ***** but to take that first step was a choice. Period.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Investigations have shown that there can be a certain hereditary tendency for getting alcohol problems. This goes even more for sons of dependent fathers than for daughters. It is unknown how big the extra risk is, but children of alcohol addicts must keep in mind that they have a greater chance to develop alcohol problems. Some studies talk about a higher risk of about 50%. It is also known that certain personality characteristics, which are partly inherited, influence the risk of getting addicted. People who are often anxious, and who seek excitement in life, and who are more antisocial, will more often become addicted
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MsG
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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Posted by MsG
I think it is a mental illness, and once the person is addicted they should be treated like they have a disease. I also think the risk of alcoholism can be influenced by a person's genes.
i agree and disagree
yes i think itis a mental illness but I DO NOT believe itis in the "genes"
IMO there is not predisposition to it
I feel that people who turn to addictions have not been taught or utilize proper coping skills....
To say that it is a gene IMO takes away the responibility in it...which i think it wrong
Re: genes: I said I think there is a RISK of addiction; I don't think genes are destiny.
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Shanti
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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Posted by MsG
I think it is a mental illness, and once the person is addicted they should be treated like they have a disease. I also think the risk of alcoholism can be influenced by a person's genes.
i agree and disagree
yes i think itis a mental illness but I DO NOT believe itis in the "genes"
IMO there is not predisposition to it
I feel that people who turn to addictions have not been taught or utilize proper coping skills....
To say that it is a gene IMO takes away the responibility in it...which i think it wrong
EXACTLY how I feel. I feel like saying it is a disease takes the responsibility off of the addict.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Posted by DebG
If for no other reason then "A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful. "
Alcholism most certainly is being proven as hereditary.
so if i go tanning...i have a disease?
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Addiction ***** but to take that first step was a choice. Period.
yes the first step was thiers to take...I just think many alcholoics and drug addicts think they are stepping off a curb not of the edge of the grand canyon.
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MsG
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
Posted by DMcK
I know a recovering alocholic who himself says that addicts are known to be immature because their coping mechanism was alcohol, not dealing with their emotions.
Addiction ***** but to take that first step was a choice. Period.
Agreed, but what do you do once a person is addicted? Do you punish them b/c they made a choice and now they are sick?
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Posted by Redhead
Posted by DebG
If for no other reason then "A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful. "
Alcholism most certainly is being proven as hereditary.
so if i go tanning...i have a disease?
I am not even going to argue this rebuttle.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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I know a recovering alocholic who himself says that addicts are known to be immature because their coping mechanism was alcohol, not dealing with their emotions.
Addiction ***** but to take that first step was a choice. Period.
Agreed, but what do you do once a person is addicted? Do you punish them b/c they made a choice and now they are sick?
I am not saying that but I think having them say they are diseased does not force them to look into themselves and realize how much power their CHOICES have.
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Redhead
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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I think it is a mental illness, and once the person is addicted they should be treated like they have a disease. I also think the risk of alcoholism can be influenced by a person's genes.
i agree and disagree
yes i think itis a mental illness but I DO NOT believe itis in the "genes"
IMO there is not predisposition to it
I feel that people who turn to addictions have not been taught or utilize proper coping skills....
To say that it is a gene IMO takes away the responibility in it...which i think it wrong
Re: genes: I said I think there is a RISK of addiction; I don't think genes are destiny.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...i see.
Well i guess i just think what is being passed on to the children are BAD BAD behavior...
Is that a gene...to me no. But i truly feel that addictions are started and kept going SOLEY due to bad coping skills...
which i do think was handed down by parents and so forth...
The gene thing or heredity IMO implies a chemical make up that shows predisposition. And i do not follow that belief
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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I think it is a mental illness, and once the person is addicted they should be treated like they have a disease. I also think the risk of alcoholism can be influenced by a person's genes.
i agree and disagree
yes i think itis a mental illness but I DO NOT believe itis in the "genes"
IMO there is not predisposition to it
I feel that people who turn to addictions have not been taught or utilize proper coping skills....
To say that it is a gene IMO takes away the responibility in it...which i think it wrong
Re: genes: I said I think there is a RISK of addiction; I don't think genes are destiny.
I agree. Some people do have a genetic predisposition and tendency, but you can fight that. I am Irish and people in my family have the tendency to hit the bottle, and I am very aware of watching my habits and keeping them in control. I would consider it a disease, but I just finished a book called "Control Theory," which basically says we control all we do and become, from mental disorders, even physical symptoms.
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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Addiction ***** but to take that first step was a choice. Period.
yes the first step was thiers to take...I just think many alcholoics and drug addicts think they are stepping off a curb not of the edge of the grand canyon.
i think they are looking for an escape.
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MsG
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Re: Drug addiction/Alcoholism - Disease?
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I know a recovering alocholic who himself says that addicts are known to be immature because their coping mechanism was alcohol, not dealing with their emotions.
Addiction ***** but to take that first step was a choice. Period.
Agreed, but what do you do once a person is addicted? Do you punish them b/c they made a choice and now they are sick?
I am not saying that but I think having them say they are diseased does not force them to look into themselves and realize how much power their CHOICES have.
That's true, for them to recover they will need to realize it's under their control, that they CAN do it, but they will need help. I hope your friend can find help and the strength to get well.
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Posted by Redhead
i think they are looking for an escape.
Some, yes...but not all and you can't group all alcholics and drug addicts into this one category.
We can get into rediculous arguments about it too...like the crack baby whose mother did crack the entire time they were in utero...did they make the first step too?
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If for no other reason then "A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful. "
Alcholism most certainly is being proven as hereditary.
so if i go tanning...i have a disease?
I am not even going to argue this rebuttle.
don't...but my point was that "definition" especially that portion of it is way to general...
And our societies definitions of normal and abnormal is always changing
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