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CkGm
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by 2girlsforme
Posted by HeatherRose
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by HeatherRose
you do the crime, you do the time. And if that means your family has to be embarrssed by you, then so be it.
I love it.
I do agree, do the crime do the time etc, but these people haven't been conviceted of their crimes in a court of laws by a jury of their peers, so its not really fair.
So your saying the cop that performed the lengthy sobriety test (with sergeants present) and more then likely a breathalizer test was wrong.  Some how I believe the cops made the right decision.
We also have yet to hear of a wrongfully accused person. Don't you think if someone was actually proven innocent in the end they would have gone straight to the media and/or lawyers??
Yeah cops can be wrong,even juries can be wrong. Look at all the people who were wrongly convicted of murder sitting on death row who were exonerated with the advent of DNA evidence.
But, with regard to braethelizers my understanding of the law is that if you blow over.8 you are legally drunk and not, as it used to be, presumed drunk. However, the usual way these cases are fought is by attacking the test itself, the machine (i.e. whether it was used properly, calibrated and inspected at regular intervals, etc). Don't get me wrong, I abhor drunk drivers, I just don't have that much trust in the government and don't believe people should be publicly humiliated prior to being convicted.
In fact, I think the policy itself may be unconstitutional.
ITA- I find it disgusting that people STILL drink and drive and yet, this policy smacks of a police state to me
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pinkandblue
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by racheeeee
I don't think they should be posted, I think they create a real mob mentality and thats probably not good for society as a whole. I think its a bit inciteful for some groups of people. These photos are public domain anyway, anyone can see them anytime. I just worry about people who aren't so bright thinking they should take matters into their own hands...
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I agree with you
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lucyloo
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
If they are going to post the pictures they should post what they blew as well. I want to know who had one beer and who had 10. Also, I'd like to know who is a repeat offender, who doesn't even have a license.. etc
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Blazesyth
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by dita
If they are going to post the pictures they should post what they blew as well. I want to know who had one beer and who had 10. Also, I'd like to know who is a repeat offender, who doesn't even have a license.. etc
Why? What does it matter? While you are driving are you going to be looking for the people who had over 5 beers so you can stay far away from them, while the people only had 1 you'd be OK being next to?
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DaniJude
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by MamaNDaddyof3
oh I am not saying I feel bad for him at ALL
I feel bad for his kids
i understand where you are coming from, however, i feel worse for his children that their father doesn't care about their well being enough to be responsible and not drive drunk.
there are other children out there who suffer far worse than a child who had their dad's picture in the paper for driving drunk -- there are children like christopher, my nephew, who hasn't been able to communicate with his father in over a month -- and, on one occassion only, was able to see him (mind you, with a breathing tube and in an awful state for a 6 year old to have to see). to make a decision, as kenneth's family, to allow christopher to see him was so difficult that i can't even fully explain it...
when christopher made a drawing of him and his mom in a boat -- without my brother is when we realized that he is starting to not believe us when we are telling him that kenneth is OK. christopher has NEVER left my brother out of any picture. so, that is when we decided that it is more harmful for him to NOT see him at this point than it is to see him in his current state.
THOSE are the real hardships that children have to go through as a result of DD -- the children who have parents that NEVER come home, the children who have parents that are permanently injured due to the careless behavior of another person who could have simply done what so many of us choose to do after drinking: call a cab or arrange for a ride. maybe this will be a wake-up call to that man - he didn't care about his kids' well being before this happened - MAYBE he'll care now?
here's hoping 
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DaniJude
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by Mssissy
But don't papers and local TV news do this with everyone? Murderers, rapist, thieves and drunk drivers who caused accidents. What is the differnece here?
this is a great point.
say a man drives drunk and DOES get into an accident where he kills or seriously hurts someone... his picture (mug shot) is going to be ALL over the news and he will be singled out... everyone knows this - it happens to most people who commit crimes. so, apparently, they don't care that much if their pic is posted because they still get in the car and drive drunk ANYWAY. also, now that it has been ALL over the news that they are taking pics of ALL drunk driving arrests HOW can people who get arrested cry foul?! THEY TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN and then you act upset??
It just amazes me when we continue to have endless amounts of sympathy for the criminals causing this -- how we go out of our way to try and find ANY little glimmer of "but he didn't mean to do it!" or "i feel bad because..." it is so scary.
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pinkandblue
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by DaniRella
It just amazes me when we continue to have endless amounts of sympathy for the criminals causing this -- how we go out of our way to try and find ANY little glimmer of "but he didn't mean to do it!" or "i feel bad because..." it is so scary.
I need to say this and I know you are passionate about dd, due to what you have been through, BUT no one is saying they have sympathy for the drunk driver, we are saying we have sympathy for his family and their safety....
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by stephanief
Posted by racheeeee
I don't think they should be posted, I think they create a real mob mentality and thats probably not good for society as a whole. I think its a bit inciteful for some groups of people. These photos are public domain anyway, anyone can see them anytime. I just worry about people who aren't so bright thinking they should take matters into their own hands...
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I agree with you
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LizD
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
I have no problem with the pics, but I would rather they be printed after they pled guilty or were convicted.
What I would really like to see are pics of child molesters and rapists. These people scare me more.
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DaniJude
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by stephanief
Posted by racheeeee
I don't think they should be posted, I think they create a real mob mentality and thats probably not good for society as a whole. I think its a bit inciteful for some groups of people. These photos are public domain anyway, anyone can see them anytime. I just worry about people who aren't so bright thinking they should take matters into their own hands...
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I agree with you
ITA
I understand - and I agree too, to a certain extent.
It's just hard for me right now because just being in court yesterday and hearing the person that did this to my brother cry about his rights and he can't see his son and he might lose his job because of this and on and on -- and thinking there are people out there who are going to hear this and think "aww" -- i know MOST people won't but there are still some that do and I am just continually shocked at how people can find ways to feel sorry for criminals in a lot of cases.
My sister, before Kenneth's crash, sat on the grand jury for a MONTH - she said every single case there was at least one person in the jury who would try and find an "out" for the criminal. There was a person who was selling CRACK out of this trunk to people -- a cop saw something suspicious about him and the trunk and did a search -- found the crack, done. Some guy was like "well, did the cop really have the right to search his car??" 
I think THAT is where my stress and anger comes from -- I just don't have enough capacity to feel bad for the drivers OR their families because I am giving too much of my strength and energy to my brother - the victim and my family - the other victims of this.
I hope that helps you to better understand 
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lucyloo
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by dita
If they are going to post the pictures they should post what they blew as well. I want to know who had one beer and who had 10. Also, I'd like to know who is a repeat offender, who doesn't even have a license.. etc
Why? What does it matter? While you are driving are you going to be looking for the people who had over 5 beers so you can stay far away from them, while the people only had 1 you'd be OK being next to?
A repeat offender without a license who is barely able to walk is very different than someone who had 2 drinks with dinner and has no priors.
ETA: I think they should at least be convicted before we post their pictures.
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lucyloo
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by LizD
What I would really like to see are pics of child molesters and rapists. These people scare me more.
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Faithx2
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by Gertyrae
Posted by DMT
I think it's a great idea. I think they should do it for all crime: robbery, rape, etc etc. Embarrass the heck out of these people, maybe it will act as a deterent for other idiots thinking of doing the same thing.
I think it is about time we stand up and stop letting criminals rule the world.
Ditto!
ITA!!
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bicosi
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by BlessedMommy
Posted by Gertyrae
Posted by DMT
I think it's a great idea. I think they should do it for all crime: robbery, rape, etc etc. Embarrass the heck out of these people, maybe it will act as a deterent for other idiots thinking of doing the same thing.
I think it is about time we stand up and stop letting criminals rule the world.
Ditto!
ITA!!
ITA too!
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ave1024
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
I have a problem with a newspaper posting pictures of people that haven't been convicted yet.
Yes arrests are public information, so if people want to find out who gets arrested they can take it upon themselves to look.
No need for a town to be cavalier about it and jump the gun before there is a conviction.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
#1 - It's about time they started cracking down...too many people drink and drive and think it's ok
#2 - I understand the argument "innocent until proven guilty" but in order to be arrested for a DWI/DUI you have to fail the breathalizer and/or other tests they give you....if you fail and it is obvious you are drunk/high and a danger to yourself or other people it is the cop's right and duty to arrest your azz. There is not much innocence to argue when arrested in these types of situations. DWI/DUI's are pretty black and white to me! If you look at the pictures on newsday.com, 95% of these people look completely tanked or high. You can barely see some of their eyes.
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ave1024
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by jellybean1420
#2 - I understand the argument "innocent until proven guilty" but in order to be arrested for a DWI/DUI you have to fail the breathalizer and/or other tests they give you....if you fail and it is obvious you are drunk/high and a danger to yourself or other people it is the cop's right and duty to arrest your azz. There is not much innocence to argue when arrested in these types of situations. DWI/DUI's are pretty black and white to me! If you look at the pictures on newsday.com, 95% of these people look completely tanked or high. You can barely see some of their eyes.
True and I agree that 99% of people are guilty. But what about that 1%? What about that .0001%?
I can guarantee you one thing. If I was ever pulled over and a cop's breathalizer malfunctioned and mis-read me, and I was later found innocent in a court of law, I would be sueing everybody for defamation of character. I'd sue the NCPD as a whole, the cop that arrested me, the county of Nassau, the Newsday and whatever media outlet posted the picture, everybody.
And i'd win too.
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MissJones
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by racheeeee
I don't think they should be posted, I think they create a real mob mentality and thats probably not good for society as a whole. I think its a bit inciteful for some groups of people. These photos are public domain anyway, anyone can see them anytime. I just worry about people who aren't so bright thinking they should take matters into their own hands...
For exampleFor example
I was looking for an example of a group of youths killed a Sikhgas station attendant who was killed by some youths who thought he was muslim but I was unable to find it.
I completely see your point!
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seaside
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Best. Idea. Ever. It's news. Someone got arrested--on a public street because eh or she committed a crime on a public street, and now he/she is being hauled off to jail where anyone could walk by & see it. It's news. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy on the street. If something happens to you, for the most part, it's not illegal for someone to document it. (A few exceptions, attorneys--I know). But this is not one of them. It's news. The child and family of the judge that convicts a criminal has to go to school--the prosecutor's kids have to go to school and be known, crime families' relatives have to exist in the world, and these families have to friggin' deal with the fact that people know what their parents did, and what happened as a consequence. We look at the stars working out/getting coffee in magazines, and no one can stop the publication of the pictures. I have a much greater interest in knowing who's got the potential to kill me or my family next time we're out getting ice cream on a random Wednesday night.
DD should be punished the way we punish attempted murder in this country. No more sob stories, no more revoked licenses in 38 states and there you are in a car again, no more chances and excuses. Just the avoidance of a known risk of the taking & destruction of innocent lives by locking up offenders for LONG periods of time.
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mommy2bella
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
My mother was a victim of drunk driving when I was 10. It was awful, they never thought she would make it as the driver hit the car spun it around 180 degrees into a cop car parked on the other side of the street.
She had to be cut out of the car, got HUNDREDS of stitches, shattered a hip and leg, her arm...you name it, she had an injury there. She was in the hospital for over a month and I couldn't see her and spent a ton of time in rehab.
My DH lost his uncle to a car crash when he was 14...his cousin was driving.
and the only reason I share that is that I truly think that people make mistakes.
I don't agree with drunk driving, I have never driven drunk myself. But good people can make mistakes. Stupid, awful mistakes. Some people are lucky and don't hurt anyone or themselves, some apeople aren't and they ruin lives.
I think that in the past few years it has been brought to the forefront again.
I do not agree with the publishing of the pics in Newsday. I think it doesn't help the situation at all, and it doesn't prevent repeat offenders from downing a bottle of vodka and 12 beers before getting behind the wheel.
MY honest OPINION.
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mrswask
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
IMO, the main issue reason it doesn't seem to be working is because when you're inebriated, you're not thinking in your right mind!
It's very easy for us to sit here and say that it should deter people or will deter people but it goes along with sober people saying they would never drive drunk. Unfortunately, there are people that when they do get drunk, they think they're fine to drive - they're good, they aren't going to hurt anyone kill anyone, etc or maybe in their altered state, they just don't care. So, why should they be thinking about, or care about, at that time, getting their picture in the paper...that's the last thing they're thnking about.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
scenario: a father knocks over a 7-11, gets caught and gets his picture published in the paper.
is that embarrassing to the family? yes! should the media not publish his picture for fear of embarrassing his family? no!
if you break the law, there are consequences.
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seaside
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
scenario: a father knocks over a 7-11, gets caught and gets his picture published in the paper.
is that embarrassing to the family? yes! should the media not publish his picture for fear of embarrassing his family? no!
if you break the law, there are consequences.
Definitely. Deterring future behavior is why we punish people sometimes. So is retribution. The best way to deter people IMO is to lock 'em, up for a long time or at least ensure that they stop driving. There are lots of people in society who do bad things because of impulses they can't control. They are incorrigable--rage, addiction, sex offender, whatever. We still put them in jail and through the system. To the extent that what we as a society do does NOT amply deter them from committing future crimes, that's on us. Just maybe...the punishment is inadequate and we need to think about how to protect innocent lives more effectively. Drunk drivers should never be allowed t make the same mistake twice. It's too costly. You only get one chance to rape or murder before your life effectively changes forever. The fact that some argue that people won't be deterred by the publication just bolsters the argument that DD's need to be deterred, whatever that does take.
I have, thankfully, not been personally affected by drunk driving. I do not feel a though I need to be before I adopt this opinion. I imagine I'd only feel stronger if I had been....
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
for those of you who are saying that these drunk drivers haven't been convicted of a crime yet, neither are any other criminals they catch and publish in the paper or show on TV being led away in cuffs.
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| Posted 6/19/08 9:13 PM |
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Re: drunk driving pictures on Newsday.com......I was all for it until
Posted by CkGm
I find it disgusting that people STILL drink and drive and yet, this policy smacks of a police state to me
totally agree
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