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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
I'm STILL waiting for the evidence to support their claim that there is rampant fraud or that showing ID decreases any fraudulent behaviors.
The discussion should stay focused on how we can expand voting rights and make the process easier for all because that's really the bigger issue. But instead the resident troll is doing what she does best, hijacking the thread and derailing the conversation.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
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Re: Georgia voting law
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I am glad you are feeling 100 percent Hofstra. You are back to yourself!
Hi VB!
Hey girl!
Wait, now I am you AND Clotheshorse?
You are anyone & everyone who doesn’t agree with the popular line of thinking on here 
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| Posted 4/5/21 11:55 PM |
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Re: Georgia voting law
Ahhh ok. Wow I must be very busy
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
Exactly - even when I was commuting to work via train I wanted something that had my name and address on it so that god forbid something happened....
And also it's COMPLETELY different to not carry your ID with you, than it is to not have one piece of government issued photo ID. KK - you obviously have a passport at the very least so stop trying to make it seem like you would fall into this group of people that has no ID.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Or maybe it's because she's a habitually banned poster who keeps coming back with ANOTHER new name AND also claims to be an old poster who use to post under yet another name. Hmmm........... perhaps that's why.
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
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Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by lululu
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Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
Exactly - even when I was commuting to work via train I wanted something that had my name and address on it so that god forbid something happened....
And also it's COMPLETELY different to not carry your ID with you, than it is to not have one piece of government issued photo ID. KK - you obviously have a passport at the very least so stop trying to make it seem like you would fall into this group of people that has no ID.
I didn’t say I had no ID. I said I didn’t carry around an “acceptable” form of ID. 
That being said, I do not carry anything around with me that identifies my address. I don’t need to. You have to register your address with one of the many gov’t offices here or you get a fine. All info is stored there. I only carry stuff with my name on it.
ETA: driving licenses are not an acceptable legal form of ID here. Only passports or government issued IDs are.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
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Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
Interesting that some never need it while others seem to always use it for something.
Off the top of my head in the last few months I have needed it when we did our taxes, picking up packages at stores, picking up child at school, at the bank, for defensive driving class (of course that would include your drivers license # though).
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
Perhaps they are not in Germany, but in the US a driver's license is an acceptable for of ID. Maybe I am not understanding what you mean by "legal" but here it is accepted anywhere you need ID (to fly for example). And NYS offers non drivers IDs which are the same as a license without being able to use it to drive.
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
Exactly - even when I was commuting to work via train I wanted something that had my name and address on it so that god forbid something happened....
And also it's COMPLETELY different to not carry your ID with you, than it is to not have one piece of government issued photo ID. KK - you obviously have a passport at the very least so stop trying to make it seem like you would fall into this group of people that has no ID.
I didn’t say I had no ID. I said I didn’t carry around an “acceptable” form of ID.
That being said, I do not carry anything around with me that identifies my address. I don’t need to. You have to register your address with one of the many gov’t offices here or you get a fine. All info is stored there. I only carry stuff with my name on it.
ETA: driving licenses are not an acceptable legal form of ID here. Only passports or government issued IDs are.
In the USA a driver's license is a government issued ID. Who issues driver's licenses in Germany? I do know the process is much more complicated than here as I had two au pairs from Germany, but I would still think that it's issued by some department in the government.
ETA what if someone has the same name as you? wouldn't it be easier to track down who you are if you carried something that identified you a little more clearly than just your name? Something that maybe had a name, DOB, address etc?
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
Interesting that some never need it while others seem to always use it for something.
Off the top of my head in the last few months I have needed it when we did our taxes, picking up packages at stores, picking up child at school, at the bank, for defensive driving class (of course that would include your drivers license # though).
Picking up packages- I get a card in my mail box and I go to DHL to pick it up.
Taxes- I give my tax file number
Bank- I give my ATM card
There is a special paper for everything. In order to get those, then you need an acceptable form of ID.
I guess it doesn’t sound so secure, but if you get caught (or I should say when) stealing these things, everything goes back to your registration with the government. Paperwork is a nightmare here.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
Interesting that some never need it while others seem to always use it for something.
Off the top of my head in the last few months I have needed it when we did our taxes, picking up packages at stores, picking up child at school, at the bank, for defensive driving class (of course that would include your drivers license # though).
Picking up packages- I get a card in my mail box and I go to DHL to pick it up.
Taxes- I give my tax file number
Bank- I give my ATM card
There is a special paper for everything. In order to get those, then you need an acceptable form of ID.
I guess it doesn’t sound so secure, but if you get caught (or I should say when) stealing these things, everything goes back to your registration with the government. Paperwork is a nightmare here.
So very different. It sounds much easier here having just one ID for mostly everything.
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
Exactly - even when I was commuting to work via train I wanted something that had my name and address on it so that god forbid something happened....
And also it's COMPLETELY different to not carry your ID with you, than it is to not have one piece of government issued photo ID. KK - you obviously have a passport at the very least so stop trying to make it seem like you would fall into this group of people that has no ID.
I didn’t say I had no ID. I said I didn’t carry around an “acceptable” form of ID.
That being said, I do not carry anything around with me that identifies my address. I don’t need to. You have to register your address with one of the many gov’t offices here or you get a fine. All info is stored there. I only carry stuff with my name on it.
ETA: driving licenses are not an acceptable legal form of ID here. Only passports or government issued IDs are.
In the USA a driver's license is a government issued ID. Who issues driver's licenses in Germany? I do know the process is much more complicated than here as I had two au pairs from Germany, but I would still think that it's issued by some department in the government.
ETA what if someone has the same name as you? wouldn't it be easier to track down who you are if you carried something that identified you a little more clearly than just your name? Something that maybe had a name, DOB, address etc?
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_pauswg/englisch_pauswg.html
From Wiki:
“The German Act on Identity Cards and Electronic Identification (German: Personalausweisgesetz) requires all citizens over the age of 16 to be in possession of an identity card or passport and to be able to present this document to authorities on request, allowing for fines of up to 5000 € in cases of violations.[2] Except for specific circumstances, the act however does not demand carrying such a document at all times; in cases of suspicion of a crime and/or severe doubts as to the identity, police officials may temporarily apprehend persons or accompany them to their homes to produce the document there. The German identity card has a chip which stores an image of the holder's face and may also store fingerprints for holders from the age of 6.[3] Driver's licenses, health insurance cards and other documents issued by government-controlled authorities are not valid means of identification for German citizens.“
I’m not a citizen, but a resident, so my “green card” can stay at home.
I just need to have something with my name on it. Then police can identify all addresses through the system because you have to register.
Geez, didn’t think this would go off track.
But I think my main point was that they issue ID cards. It isn’t for free for those on unemployment and welfare, per se. I don’t know how to explain it well, but the cost is allotted in what one gets per month. They include housing, utilities, bills, food, etc. based on your city and state. So essentially the government is giving you the money to pay the government that money. It’s kind of a stupid system and it’s always up for debate, but needs are taken care of. They watch your bank accounts very closely.
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
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Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
Interesting that some never need it while others seem to always use it for something.
Off the top of my head in the last few months I have needed it when we did our taxes, picking up packages at stores, picking up child at school, at the bank, for defensive driving class (of course that would include your drivers license # though).
Picking up packages- I get a card in my mail box and I go to DHL to pick it up.
Taxes- I give my tax file number
Bank- I give my ATM card
There is a special paper for everything. In order to get those, then you need an acceptable form of ID.
I guess it doesn’t sound so secure, but if you get caught (or I should say when) stealing these things, everything goes back to your registration with the government. Paperwork is a nightmare here.
So very different. It sounds much easier here having just one ID for mostly everything.
It’s a f*cking PITA. I never understood how a country so into recycling wastes so much paper.
Everything is so bureaucratic. But it seems to deter ID theft better than other places, IMO.
But back to the topic. I have no problem with them requiring ID for voting ONLY IF the way to get the ID is fair for all. Not everybody has the money to get a proper ID.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
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Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
You never needed an ID for anything?
While I don’t use mine daily, I feel like there is so much I use mine for.
It bothers me also if I go out without one god forbid something happens.
I very rarely need an ID for anything. I haven’t been asked for any ID in years, just my health insurance card. If I need to pick up anything, I am given a piece of paper with an order number on it and I use that.
I also said “acceptable” ID. An acceptable ID is a passport or a government issued ID. My passport has my “green card” that I must have with it. I can’t get the government ID because I am not a citizen. There is no way I am carrying around my passport with me and I don’t have to.
Driving licenses and health insurance cards are not “acceptable” forms of ID for legal purposes.
Interesting that some never need it while others seem to always use it for something.
Off the top of my head in the last few months I have needed it when we did our taxes, picking up packages at stores, picking up child at school, at the bank, for defensive driving class (of course that would include your drivers license # though).
Picking up packages- I get a card in my mail box and I go to DHL to pick it up.
Taxes- I give my tax file number
Bank- I give my ATM card
There is a special paper for everything. In order to get those, then you need an acceptable form of ID.
I guess it doesn’t sound so secure, but if you get caught (or I should say when) stealing these things, everything goes back to your registration with the government. Paperwork is a nightmare here.
So very different. It sounds much easier here having just one ID for mostly everything.
It’s a f*cking PITA. I never understood how a country so into recycling wastes so much paper.
Everything is so bureaucratic. But it seems to deter ID theft better than other places, IMO.
But back to the topic. I have no problem with them requiring ID for voting ONLY IF the way to get the ID is fair for all. Not everybody has the money to get a proper ID.
The less theft the better.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often
I feel the same way like there is always something you need it for. I guess for many older people who don’t go many places they have never really needed it. Younger people though I can’t see them not requiring it for so many things.
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
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Re: Georgia voting law
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Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
I am pretty sure a non-drivers license ID in NY is $6 or $10. Not sure how long it lasts, I would have to look that up. You don’t need to drive to have an ID in the U.S.
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This may sound morbid but I carry id with me just in case anything happens to me and they need to figure out who I am. I guess I think that way since I didn’t grow up in the safest neighborhood or work in the safest neighborhood
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
I am pretty sure a non-drivers license ID in NY is $6 or $10. Not sure how long it lasts, I would have to look that up. You don’t need to drive to have an ID in the U.S.
Fees for Standard Non-Driver ID Card
Under age 62, your next birthday is within the next 6 months
4 years
$9.00
Under age 62, your next birthday is more than 6 months away
8 years
$13.00
Under age 62 and receive SSI
10 years
$6.50
Age 62 or older
10 years
$6.50
Age 62 or older and receive SSI
10 years
No Fee
Any age and receive public assistance
4 years
No Fee
So basically is you are that poor, which is assumed you are on assistance then, the card is free.
$13 for 8 years so thinking most people can afford that.
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| Posted 4/6/21 1:18 AM |
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Anotherplease
This may sound morbid but I carry id with me just in case anything happens to me and they need to figure out who I am. I guess I think that way since I didn’t grow up in the safest neighborhood or work in the safest neighborhood
Yep we were always told to have ID on us and I tell my children the same thing.
I am always amazed watching the cop and rescue shows that the majority of people don’t have any ID on them. But then many of them don’t even drive with insurance, registration, insurance.
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| Posted 4/6/21 1:20 AM |
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klingklang77
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Member since 7/06 11487 total posts
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Well, I didn’t carry around an acceptable form of ID for about 9 years. I got along just fine.
And if we go by “acceptable” here, I still don’t carry one around, so make that 16 years.
I'm STILL waiting for the evidence to support their claim that there is rampant fraud or that showing ID decreases any fraudulent behaviors.
The discussion should stay focused on how we can expand voting rights and make the process easier for all because that's really the bigger issue. But instead the resident troll is doing what she does best, hijacking the thread and derailing the conversation.
Yes, that, too.
My mom works the poles (she says that when she works elections. I’m not sure if she’s joking or not as she regularly confuses Qanon with Alanon) and she hasn’t seen fraud. Again that’s anecdotal. She is just the greeter and does the lines and stuff, so she doesn’t work the tables. She did say there is a chairperson in charge, so I assume they know what to do if your name gets signed and you didn’t vote.
IIRC, you would have to go down to the Board of Elections to correct it. The first time my dad voted he did the lever wrong. He thought he had to go back and forth and then vote instead of slide one way, vote and then slide the other way. I know he was able to fix his vote that time.
I know the lever machines aren’t used anymore, but I am sure there is a system in place.
So, back to some evidence.
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| Posted 4/6/21 1:21 AM |
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
I am pretty sure a non-drivers license ID in NY is $6 or $10. Not sure how long it lasts, I would have to look that up. You don’t need to drive to have an ID in the U.S.
Yeah, that I know. But some people cannot afford $6-10. That could be two meals. It should not come down to if I can afford an ID and transport there, then I can vote. How do homeless people vote?
It’s a way to prevent those in poverty of having a voice. And those people need it the most.
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