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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
I am pretty sure a non-drivers license ID in NY is $6 or $10. Not sure how long it lasts, I would have to look that up. You don’t need to drive to have an ID in the U.S.
Yeah, that I know. But some people cannot afford $6-10. That could be two meals. It should not come down to if I can afford an ID and transport there, then I can vote. How do homeless people vote?
It’s a way to prevent those in poverty of having a voice. And those people need it the most.
If you are on assistance it is free.
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
I am pretty sure a non-drivers license ID in NY is $6 or $10. Not sure how long it lasts, I would have to look that up. You don’t need to drive to have an ID in the U.S.
Yeah, that I know. But some people cannot afford $6-10. That could be two meals. It should not come down to if I can afford an ID and transport there, then I can vote. How do homeless people vote?
It’s a way to prevent those in poverty of having a voice. And those people need it the most.
If you are on assistance it is free.
Other posts in this thread are saying it isn’t.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
Off topic but I'm trying to think of tines I needed ID recently (pre Covid when things were more normal).
To enter buildings in NYC as a guest...going to visit a client or vendor in a high rise like 1 Penn Plaza...you have to be put on the bldg security's guest list and need to show ID to be let up.
Flying
Entering my daughter's school for anything at all. You are stopped before Entering and have to present ID.
Picking up items at Target.
Using a birthday reward at the liquor store for my free bottle of Prosecco I got for having a loyalty card. They asked for the email and ID.
Checking into a hotel always
At the ER when I got hurt. Insurance and ID was asked for
At the doctor's office as a new patient...they copied my insurance card AND my driver's license.
Any new hires I process need ID. There is actually a relatively new govt form we need to fill out within the first few days of employment where they have to present 2 forms of ID. A passport is fine alone but if they don’t have one they need a driver's license or non driver ID AND a social security card or the likes (or a green card etc)....
Voting aside you really do use it often ...
ETA...the form for employment is an I-9.
Use Form I-9 to verify the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form.
On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization
Yeah, that all makes sense, except the Target thing. I don’t get that at all.
But I think for the sake of this argument, it seems that a driver’s license is an acceptable form of ID. But if you have a driver’s license, then you can afford to drive. There doesn’t seem to be an option for those that can’t afford to drive or get a driver’s license to get an ID. And in the constitution, all citizens are given the right to vote. There is nothing that says you have to have enough money to vote.
So what options do they have?
I am pretty sure a non-drivers license ID in NY is $6 or $10. Not sure how long it lasts, I would have to look that up. You don’t need to drive to have an ID in the U.S.
Yeah, that I know. But some people cannot afford $6-10. That could be two meals. It should not come down to if I can afford an ID and transport there, then I can vote. How do homeless people vote?
It’s a way to prevent those in poverty of having a voice. And those people need it the most.
If you are on assistance it is free.
Other posts in this thread are saying it isn’t.
I copied and pasted from the DMV site
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| Posted 4/6/21 1:41 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Georgia voting law
The bottom line is that the bill was based on a lie. There was no "steal." Biden won, Trump lost, fair and square.
The REPUBLICAN Georgia SOS said the election was the most secure ever. REPUBLICAN judges struck down lawsuit after lawsuit.
There is no leg to stand on here. There is literally no good reason for this law, other than extremist Repubs wanting to pick their voters because the bottom line is that if everyone votes, Repubs don't get picked.
There is so much context here that people don't know. Rs in Georgia once passed a similar law when they stated that absentee voting was safer than in person voting. At the time, white people made up the most absentee votes. Funny how their stance has changed.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Georgia voting law
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
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| Posted 4/6/21 11:36 AM |
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
I think all of us agree they we should make voting as easy and accessible as possible.
Most of us agree there can be fraud when no ID is required as a few of us indicated about being able to sign in as anyone to vote.
While we wouldn’t do it, we are smart enough to realize it can be done and probably has and we would never know if that person didn’t try to vote for any reason.
We are naive to believe that the only reason people don’t have ID is that they are old, immobile, do not have transportation or poor. As I indicated above, people on assistance can get ID for free.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly!
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NervousNell
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
I agree. I just find it fascinating how you can get by without one considering all you need it for. I mean you wouldn't be able to pick up your sick child from school.
Then what? What do you do?
Seems a non driver ID is free to those on public assistance in NY at least. That's at least a start.
I still feel like everyone should have one regardless of voting. And yes, it should be free
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GoldenRod
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
I agree. I just find it fascinating how you can get by without one considering all you need it for. I mean you wouldn't be able to pick up your sick child from school.
Then what? What do you do?
Seems a non driver ID is free to those on public assistance in NY at least. That's at least a start.
I still feel like everyone should have one regardless of voting. And yes, it should be free
Even if it's "free", there are time and money costs involved in getting it. Getting to the DMV, waiting in line, etc. If you work two or three jobs, all while DMV is open, when do you go to get your "free" non-driver's license? Take off from work and risk losing your job or a few hours of pay?
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| Posted 4/6/21 11:56 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
I agree. I just find it fascinating how you can get by without one considering all you need it for. I mean you wouldn't be able to pick up your sick child from school.
Then what? What do you do?
Seems a non driver ID is free to those on public assistance in NY at least. That's at least a start.
I still feel like everyone should have one regardless of voting. And yes, it should be free
Even if it's "free", there are time and money costs involved in getting it. Getting to the DMV, waiting in line, etc. If you work two or three jobs, all while DMV is open, when do you go to get your "free" non-driver's license? Take off from work and risk losing your job or a few hours of pay?
How would they get these jobs with no ID?
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Sash
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
Why are you even paying mind to this? It’s irrelevant how many time we use our ID because it goes against the argument of how many people have IDs, how easy it can be to get it and why it is essential. But the other side can argue that they never need their IDs, and that is ok and relevant to the conversation. How rich 
Also if my mom and millions of others can stand in a welfare line for hours with 2 little kids, only to be told she is missing a document and then have to go on an hour + train ride back back home and go an 1+ Hours back to the office, then I am sure many also stand in line at a dmv. People make it work, the poor are more craftier then you people think. I love the assumptions made by the majority who have no idea what it’s like. If you need to get that job and the only thing that is stopping you is an ID, many many will get that damn ID.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Sash
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
Why are you even paying mind to this? It’s irrelevant how many time we use our ID because it goes against the argument of how many people have IDs, how easy it can be to get it and why it is essential. But the other side can argue that they never need their IDs, and that is ok and relevant to the conversation. How rich
Also if my mom and millions of others can stand in a welfare line for hours with 2 little kids, only to be told she is missing a document and then have to go on an hour + train ride back back home and go an 1+ Hours back to the office, then I am sure many also stand in line at a dmv. People make it work, the poor are more craftier then you people think. I love the assumptions made by the majority who have no idea what it’s like. If you need to get that job and the only thing that is stopping you is an ID, many many will make it work.
Have I told you lately how much I love you, but you are talking reason and experience here. Silly you. lol: 
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Naturalmama
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
I wasn't referring to your post.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Sash
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
Why are you even paying mind to this? It’s irrelevant how many time we use our ID because it goes against the argument of how many people have IDs, how easy it can be to get it and why it is essential. But the other side can argue that they never need their IDs, and that is ok and relevant to the conversation. How rich
Also if my mom and millions of others can stand in a welfare line for hours with 2 little kids, only to be told she is missing a document and then have to go on an hour + train ride back back home and go an 1+ Hours back to the office, then I am sure many also stand in line at a dmv. People make it work, the poor are more craftier then you people think. I love the assumptions made by the majority who have no idea what it’s like. If you need to get that job and the only thing that is stopping you is an ID, many many will get that damn ID.
If you read my post instead of repeatedly using the word rich like some immature 14 year old, you would see that I said my experience with ID is irrelevant. I was pointing out that just as many people don't use ID often as do use it, and neither position matters much. What you, your mother on welfare, my immigrant grandmother, me, or the man on the moon does doesn't matter. Not everyone has ID and they do get by. That was my point.
Don't assume I don't know what it's like to be poor. I have never once shared information about my parents financial situation when I was a child. I know more than you think.
I'm sorry, but I find it very odd how obsessed windy/vb is with this board. If someone wants to get me banned, go for it. I have real life friends and a real life family and job. I post here because it's something I've been a part of since my first child was born 10 years ago. If I'm sitting in my car waiting for my daughter at gymnastics or lounging on the couch after my kids are in bed, I pop on. But if someone banned me I would move on. It's weird she can't break away from an archaic chat board that kind of died out five years ago when most posters left.
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Re: Georgia voting law
It doesn't matter if I need ID to pick up Target or my kid. This isn't about the need for ID to accomplish various tasks. The conversation is about why the GA falls into the category of voters suppression.
I have heard this acedotal argument that anyone can walk in and vote since I just have to sign my name. But that doesn't happen. How often have you gone to vote and someone voted for you already? And how often of that did you not get to cast a provisional vote?
In a 2014 study, only 31 cases were found out of more than 1 billion ballots cast in elections from 2000-2014. And those 31 included any and all credible claims, not just prosecutions and convictions. Link to study
Voter ID laws target eligible voters who are less likely to have IDs. These laws are meant to suppress votes from the elderly, low income and voters of colors.
18 percent—or almost 6 million—citizens over the age of 65 do not have photo ID;
16 percent of Latino voters do not have government-issued photo ID;
25 percent of voting age African Americans—5.5 million people – do not have ID; and
15 percent of voting age Americans who earn less than $35,000 do not have ID.
These are some of the people who are prevented from voting by voter ID laws.
While a voter ID might be free; there are still costs involved that may make it preventive.
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| Posted 4/6/21 2:55 PM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
It doesn't matter if I need ID to pick up Target or my kid. This isn't about the need for ID to accomplish various tasks. The conversation is about why the GA falls into the category of voters suppression.
I have heard this acedotal argument that anyone can walk in and vote since I just have to sign my name. But that doesn't happen. How often have you gone to vote and someone voted for you already? And how often of that did you not get to cast a provisional vote?
In a 2014 study, only 31 cases were found out of more than 1 billion ballots cast in elections from 2000-2014. And those 31 included any and all credible claims, not just prosecutions and convictions. Link to study
Voter ID laws target eligible voters who are less likely to have IDs. These laws are meant to suppress votes from the elderly, low income and voters of colors.
18 percent—or almost 6 million—citizens over the age of 65 do not have photo ID;
16 percent of Latino voters do not have government-issued photo ID;
25 percent of voting age African Americans—5.5 million people – do not have ID; and
15 percent of voting age Americans who earn less than $35,000 do not have ID.
These are some of the people who are prevented from voting by voter ID laws.
While a voter ID might be free; there are still costs involved that may make it preventive.
This. You said what I was thinking, but I got sidetracked in the thread, sorry.
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| Posted 4/6/21 3:06 PM |
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Mill188
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Re: Georgia voting law
Absolutely agree that voting a constitutional right, but with rights come responsibilities. If you demand your right to vote (as every single American should), then do what it takes to get it done and if the law requires some form of ID - get the ID. NYS charges between $0 and $13 for non-driver ID that is valid for 4 years.
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| Posted 4/6/21 3:15 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Sash
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
Why are you even paying mind to this? It’s irrelevant how many time we use our ID because it goes against the argument of how many people have IDs, how easy it can be to get it and why it is essential. But the other side can argue that they never need their IDs, and that is ok and relevant to the conversation. How rich
Also if my mom and millions of others can stand in a welfare line for hours with 2 little kids, only to be told she is missing a document and then have to go on an hour + train ride back back home and go an 1+ Hours back to the office, then I am sure many also stand in line at a dmv. People make it work, the poor are more craftier then you people think. I love the assumptions made by the majority who have no idea what it’s like. If you need to get that job and the only thing that is stopping you is an ID, many many will get that damn ID.
If you read my post instead of repeatedly using the word rich like some immature 14 year old, you would see that I said my experience with ID is irrelevant. I was pointing out that just as many people don't use ID often as do use it, and neither position matters much. What you, your mother on welfare, my immigrant grandmother, me, or the man on the moon does doesn't matter. Not everyone has ID and they do get by. That was my point.
Don't assume I don't know what it's like to be poor. I have never once shared information about my parents financial situation when I was a child. I know more than you think.
I'm sorry, but I find it very odd how obsessed windy/vb is with this board. If someone wants to get me banned, go for it. I have real life friends and a real life family and job. I post here because it's something I've been a part of since my first child was born 10 years ago. If I'm sitting in my car waiting for my daughter at gymnastics or lounging on the couch after my kids are in bed, I pop on. But if someone banned me I would move on. It's weird she can't break away from an archaic chat board that kind of died out five years ago when most posters left.
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| Posted 4/6/21 3:18 PM |
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Mill188
Absolutely agree that voting a constitutional right, but with rights come responsibilities. If you demand your right to vote (as every single American should), then do what it takes to get it done and if the law requires some form of ID - get the ID. NYS charges between $0 and $13 for non-driver ID that is valid for 4 years.
And free if you are on assistance.
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| Posted 4/6/21 3:37 PM |
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Mill188
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Re: Georgia voting law
Voter ID's in Georgia are free.
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| Posted 4/6/21 3:42 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: Georgia voting law
You need ID to get a non-driver's ID....
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| Posted 4/6/21 3:49 PM |
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Sash
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Sash
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by GoldenRod
It's irrelevant how often the generic *you* use your ID. The point is that millions of Americans *don't* have ID.
Most people have ID's, but not everyone does, so we shouldn't require ID's to vote.
Most people have smart phones, but not everyone does, so we should make phone voting possible, but not required.
Most people can physically get to a polling station, but not everyone can, so we should make it more accessible, but not required.
We should make voting as easily and accessible to as many people as possible.
Exactly. I don't understand how the fact that you need an ID to get your Target packages is considered the same thing as one's constitutional right to vote. I for one have used my ID exactly once in like a year, and that was last week when I went to the Toyota dealership to turn in my lease and get a new car. But again, my personal experience is irrelevant. Just showing that some people really can make it through like without one. They deserve a right to vote even if other people think it's so easy for them to just get an ID- it's not.
I used that as an example of one of the many things I used my ID for on a daily basis. I never compared it to voting or a constitutional right.
Yes everyone should be able to vote. Yes.
It's a constitutional right. Yes.
It just really made me think thats all when thinking about all those who go through life with no ID. How do they do all the things that AREN'T constitutional rights but are still important like picking up kids at school, getting a job, etc.
But yes they deserve a right to vote.
Why are you even paying mind to this? It’s irrelevant how many time we use our ID because it goes against the argument of how many people have IDs, how easy it can be to get it and why it is essential. But the other side can argue that they never need their IDs, and that is ok and relevant to the conversation. How rich
Also if my mom and millions of others can stand in a welfare line for hours with 2 little kids, only to be told she is missing a document and then have to go on an hour + train ride back back home and go an 1+ Hours back to the office, then I am sure many also stand in line at a dmv. People make it work, the poor are more craftier then you people think. I love the assumptions made by the majority who have no idea what it’s like. If you need to get that job and the only thing that is stopping you is an ID, many many will get that damn ID.
If you read my post instead of repeatedly using the word rich like some immature 14 year old, you would see that I said my experience with ID is irrelevant. I was pointing out that just as many people don't use ID often as do use it, and neither position matters much. What you, your mother on welfare, my immigrant grandmother, me, or the man on the moon does doesn't matter. Not everyone has ID and they do get by. That was my point.
Don't assume I don't know what it's like to be poor. I have never once shared information about my parents financial situation when I was a child. I know more than you think.
I'm sorry, but I find it very odd how obsessed windy/vb is with this board. If someone wants to get me banned, go for it. I have real life friends and a real life family and job. I post here because it's something I've been a part of since my first child was born 10 years ago. If I'm sitting in my car waiting for my daughter at gymnastics or lounging on the couch after my kids are in bed, I pop on. But if someone banned me I would move on. It's weird she can't break away from an archaic chat board that kind of died out five years ago when most posters left.
I was referring to Goldenrods and a few others post not yours, I didnt even realized you used that word. I also said the majority of this board and it is quite obvious the majority of this board do talk out their buttholes when it comes to poverty the economic struggles of others.
I am the immature 14 year when all that is done on here by many posters is immature mudsling and juvenile bullying? Ok sure, I am the problem and immature one.
Lastly, I did not mean "How Rich" as in acting as a rich person or anyone being rich financially. I meant it in the hypocrisy of the point people are trying to make to show IDs aren't useful or necessary to prove their point. Not so much directed at you. You were just intermingled in the quotes. But it's funny, now that you pointed it out. It did seem like I was trying to make a pun and be funny. I really wasn't
That's (a bit) rich! something that you say when someone criticizes you to show that you do not think they are being fair because they are as bad as you.
Also someone mentioned waiting on line at the DMV, not you as point. I found it a ridiculous point. Many people making assumptions to debate their argument and prove someone they hate wrong when I am pretty sure they have no clue what it is like.
F#k I wish I was rich. I don't hate on anyone who is unless they are an @sshole. 
Message edited 4/6/2021 4:06:04 PM.
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| Posted 4/6/21 4:00 PM |
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Diane
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Mill188
Absolutely agree that voting a constitutional right, but with rights come responsibilities. If you demand your right to vote (as every single American should), then do what it takes to get it done and if the law requires some form of ID - get the ID. NYS charges between $0 and $13 for non-driver ID that is valid for 4 years.
YES!!!!!!
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| Posted 4/6/21 4:11 PM |
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