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butterfly20
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Going back to college for teaching?
are there any jobs that are in demand? Like maybe math or something or high school level?
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by butterfly20
He does have a job now.. not permanent though....
Really enjoys teaching sports.... The sports places that run lessons would be night hours though, which is why teaching at a school seemed that it would be most ideal.
Maybe he can look into starting his own business. In the summer and weekends especially, parents look for stuff for their kids to do.
Even in tough financial times, parents will find a way to come up with $$$ to spend on their kid(s).
But it doesn't sound like he can make the demands, especially in such a saturated field like teaching.
MOST fields are like this, especially when it comes to things like hours and who gets what position ;).
Having worked somewhere else or in a different field for awhile doesn't mean jack anymore.
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| Posted 6/2/13 8:44 AM |
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Janice
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Going back to college for teaching?
My sister graduated with elem Ed in 2009. Nothing was open up there at all.
She moved oos and found a job quickly.
They hire teachers were I live.
But most of her graduating class is still in NYC looking for work.
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| Posted 6/2/13 8:55 AM |
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by Janice
My sister graduated with elem Ed in 2009. Nothing was open up there at all.
She moved oos and found a job quickly.
They hire teachers were I live.
But most of her graduating class is still in NYC looking for work.
I also feel bad for those who are working in the NYC school system.
I've been seeing on the news all weekend about these new evaluations that are supposed to be coming out in September. Knowing what I know from the social work end of things, having worked in NYC for years, I can't imagine this will be good for teachers At.All.
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| Posted 6/2/13 8:59 AM |
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by 2boys4me
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1 - How long, how much cost for the schooling?
It can be done in 16-18 months (3 full semesters plus intersession classes), but that is if you are going it FULL time and perhaps overloading.
2 - How long is unpaid student teacher needed for before getting a job(or at least qualified to apply)?
Typically, it is for an entire semester (10-13 weeks)
3- Is gym teacher something that actually has job openings? What other subjects would have most likely job openings for elementary age, preferably.
Realistically, teaching professions are not doing well right now. Many people are being excessed. Some of these people have years of experience. I was excessed last year and luckily found a job. The person who hired me said there is a plethora of good candidates now and many have experience, which allows them to hand pick who they want...
Eventually that will change when no one goes into teaching!!!
Eventually...but if you have a mortgage, child care expenses and kids to take care of is that a chance you would take right now? It hasn't turned around in the seven years since I graduated from college, it's only gotten worse. And when it does start to turn around there will be all these former teachers were let go after working for years PLUS all the people with teaching degrees that never got a job that have been subbing and working as daycare workers and teachers aides just to make it that are going to be in competition with the people who will be newly graduating with teaching degrees. It's not worth it to me, right now at least. It's too much of a risk.
Oh nooo! I didn't mean that in a Pollyanna "just hang in there" kind of way. I mean, 20 years from now kind of way! Our education system is going to be fuckkkkkkkeeeddd.
Trust me. I'm there with you!
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| Posted 6/2/13 9:16 AM |
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
Posted by Janice
My sister graduated with elem Ed in 2009. Nothing was open up there at all.
She moved oos and found a job quickly.
They hire teachers were I live.
But most of her graduating class is still in NYC looking for work.
I also feel bad for those who are working in the NYC school system.
I've been seeing on the news all weekend about these new evaluations that are supposed to be coming out in September. Knowing what I know from the social work end of things, having worked in NYC for years, I can't imagine this will be good for teachers At.All.
Yeah, its really not good. Luckily, my principal is a good one and knows that most of our kids developmentally can't access the items on the "Highly Effective" part of the rubric (like ask each other higher-order thinking questions....they are 6 and have autism) so he had the whole school come up with our own critical attributes of what that looks like in our 6:1:1 classes, 8:1:1, standardized, etc, so we aren't evaluating teachers of non-verbal students on the students' ability to have discussions with one another. That is the problem....good principals will use it how it was intended (as a professional development tool) and bad ones can use it as a "gotcha." There are no specific accommodations for anyone working with ELL students or special ed, or even the general education students in NYC, who come to school with enormous language deficits, etc. Leaving that up to principals is dangerous because at any time, they can point to the rubric and say "You didn't do x, y, z" and U-rate them. As written, anyone who teaches non-verbal students, students with multiple disabilities, students with social-communication struggles cannot be "highly effective" and that is really sad. If you want a good laugh, read the Highly Effective column, and imagine a room full of non-verbal students with autism. It took me two years of really hard work to get my students to the point where they acknowledge each others presence, know each others names, and play with each other, and they still need me to prompt them to speak to one another. They aren't to the point where they are going to enrich discussions by bouncing higher-order questions at each other. Its so frustrating that the higher-ups aren't noticing or caring about these kids and their actual learning. Image Attachment(s):
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rsquared
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by butterfly20
are there any jobs that are in demand? Like maybe math or something or high school level?
District 75 Special Education. My school is hiring a lot of new teachers this year. Other D75 schools are as well. It is challenging work, so there is a lot of turn-over.
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| Posted 6/2/13 9:29 AM |
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by bookworm
The teaching field is completely oversaturated, and under the tax cap, the system is destined to starve until it implodes. And the lack of need/job availability doesn't seem to discourage people from entering teacher prep programs, so the competition mounts substantially each year. Proceed at your own risk.
Perfectly stated!!
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by Jenn79
Posted by bookworm
The teaching field is completely oversaturated, and under the tax cap, the system is destined to starve until it implodes. And the lack of need/job availability doesn't seem to discourage people from entering teacher prep programs, so the competition mounts substantially each year. Proceed at your own risk.
Perfectly stated!!
And that is why I am jumping out now! So done with the DOE...I won't have a BIG pension, but I also won't have a BIG headache each day. My stomach can't afford it any more.
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
the only way i'd do this is through the NYC Teaching Fellows or Teach for America program. That way, you have a job/experience starting at day 1 and they pay for your schooling. it takes about 2 years and it's a lot of time commitment...
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
teaching jobs won't come back until probably another 7-10 years. most jobs with over saturation take 7-10 years to bounce back if they do bounce back. teachers will but not in the way it was years back. I expect new hires will only be giving half the opportunities people in the past had.
nursing is about to hit over saturation. graphic design hit in 2005-2007 so it's coming back slowly. From trends I have read/seen I really think college professors still will be in demand if your willing to be on the bottom of the food chain until you get your PhD or MFA, Accountants/Actuaries is huge, Pharmacy, computer eng. systems, network admins, lawyers, surgeons or physicians and software engineers are the best career paths.
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| Posted 6/3/13 9:18 AM |
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
IMO I wouldn't go back for teaching right now.. its a huge investment of your money that you may not make a return on, because unfortunately as other have stated, there are very little job openings. I have a friend who left her job to go back to school for a master's in elementary education. She couldn't find anything after she graduated, and then went back to school again for special education. Now she is working at a private schoo,l working with children w/ special needs. I think if you're going to go back just make sure you are special ed certified because *I think* some more jobs may exist there, but not too certain. Good luck!
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rsquared
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by Nifheim
teaching jobs won't come back until probably another 7-10 years. most jobs with over saturation take 7-10 years to bounce back if they do bounce back. teachers will but not in the way it was years back. I expect new hires will only be giving half the opportunities people in the past had.
nursing is about to hit over saturation. graphic design hit in 2005-2007 so it's coming back slowly. From trends I have read/seen I really think college professors still will be in demand if your willing to be on the bottom of the food chain until you get your PhD or MFA, Accountants/Actuaries is huge, Pharmacy, computer eng. systems, network admins, lawyers, surgeons or physicians and software engineers are the best career paths.
In most fields, higher ed. is over-saturated as well. I left a PhD program to become a teacher, so I could find a job, lol. That is how bad it is. Any liberal arts jobs are so competitive, you have to be willing to move just about anywhere for a tenure-track position, if you can even find one. I know lots of my colleagues from Stony Brook, who are finished are working adjunct, at three or four community colleges, making $3000 a class (do the math-$24,000 a year, basically). Community colleges (who used to hire people with MAs to teach at that level) can now require PhDs because they can get very qualified people with PhDs to teach at a community college, the market is so bad. Even with a PhD, and lots of publications, teaching experience, etc. it is really hard to find something stable. When I was at Stony Brook, there were 4 people defending the year I left. Multiply that by every school with a good Art History PhD program and that is probably 50-80 new qualified PhDs looking for a tenure-track position each year. The people from Brown, Columbia, USC, and studied with the heavy hitters, will get hired first, then down the list. If you study something more in demand, you might have a shot, but I was a Contemporary American Art specialist, so I saw the writing on the wall and left. I wanted to have babies and get married, and it takes 10-15 years to establish yourself in higher ed, so I realized it wasn't going to fit with my plan.
The only exception is fields that field work makes more money, like medicine, law, etc.
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Cheeks24
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Going back to college for teaching?
I did and haven't finished yet. I have a year left. But because there are no jobs I stopped. I went for my MSEd at Hunter. By far CUNY schools will be your cheapest option.
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| Posted 6/3/13 10:55 AM |
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Don't do it! I have been teaching for 8 years, and all the joy that was teaching has been taking away by all the nonsense of where education is going.
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MarisaK
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
I don't want to discourage someone form going back to school or making a career change - but I have friends and family who have years of experience that were excessed and can't get a job, those who came out of college/grad school etc and STILL can't get a full time position - and as for gym teachers .......my brother in law is more qualified than most and he can't find a job - how many gym teachers does a district have? KWIM?
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Xelindrya
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Going back to college for teaching?
Wow this thread is just so sad.
People who want to teach can't and those who shouldn't may be out there.
We have new schools opening all the time here and they are always looking for qualified teachers. My neighbor teaches inner city and is thinking of taking a job out by us when the new middle school opens. But those in the schools around here just dont move. My aunt has been subbing for years now. But she doesnt want to be a teacher.
Still I wish more teachers who WANT to teach an care for children were doing just that. Our classes are too full.
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NewlyMrs
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
I went back to school (2005) for my Graduate MA in PE. My undergrad was Exercise Science. There were job openings in 2006 when I graduated, but from what I hear, not many now, if any at all, now..
I moved OOS & it's even more difficult here. Often one PE teacher for the district, & often who you know, & with 2 kids, the pay isn't worth me working.
I would definitely look into the job demand, meet with the advisor for the grad school, & gain realistic insight. grad school isn't cheap & it's needs to be paid, regardless of a job after graduation.
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by NewlyMrs
I went back to school (2005) for my Graduate MA in PE. My undergrad was Exercise Science. There were job openings in 2006 when I graduated, but from what I hear, not many now, if any at all, now..
I moved OOS & it's even more difficult here. Often one PE teacher for the district, & often who you know, & with 2 kids, the pay isn't worth me working.
I would definitely look into the job demand, meet with the advisor for the grad school, & gain realistic insight. grad school isn't cheap & it's needs to be paid, regardless of a job after graduation.
Also remember though that schools are all about making money. They are going to post a rosy outlook of the job market.
JMO.
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
I've been in my current school for 10 years now. Every year, we've had opening and new hires. Every year. Even when other schools were excessing teachers. Even when our budget didn't pass. Always new faces and very few teachers excessed.
This year, they're making cuts. The budget is in trouble and there's just no money to hire new people. So next year, we'll have overworked, stressed out teachers...with larger classes. And they'll be evaluated by a system that doesn't working, teaching to tests that make no sense.
It's not a great place to be. As much as I love teaching and I love my students (and I really really do!), it's not the same as it used to be. This year was awful...and it doesn't look like it's getting much better in the near future.
And I'm usually the positive, optimistic one. 
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NewlyMrs
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Re: Going back to college for teaching?
Posted by MorningCuppaCoffee
Posted by NewlyMrs
I went back to school (2005) for my Graduate MA in PE. My undergrad was Exercise Science. There were job openings in 2006 when I graduated, but from what I hear, not many now, if any at all, now..
I moved OOS & it's even more difficult here. Often one PE teacher for the district, & often who you know, & with 2 kids, the pay isn't worth me working.
I would definitely look into the job demand, meet with the advisor for the grad school, & gain realistic insight. grad school isn't cheap & it's needs to be paid, regardless of a job after graduation.
Also remember though that schools are all about making money. They are going to post a rosy outlook of the job market.
JMO.
Very true. When I considered going back, maybe things we different, but the dept advisor really was behind the philosophy I had with PE being more than just sports & "dodgeball", promoting children fitness, & if you market yourself you'll get a job. I did land a leave job before graduating, a job over the summer, & even after moving OOS got multiple district job offers  (still a part wonders if I should have stayed up in NY )
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