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Posted by KellyFG
Ive been following this topic for days and I'm so confused.
First let me start off by saying I don't agree with the OPs thought process that a small number of homeless children are going to bring bugs and disease into an entire school district. I think that's been pretty well covered.
I'm really perplexed about how many posters jumped on board to defend the shelter though. Historically if a new poster asks about Longwood or Riverhead schools 99% of the replies will talk about scores and graduation statistics ( all very important I understand) but these are the some of the districts that are home to the larger homeless/transient population in Suffolk. Naturally their numbers suffer. The person asking will unequivocally be told to stay away because it's "bad"
Why is that the masses of LIFers can't be compassionate about the homeless families in these districts and others like them? Why cant people see if all communities share in providing a home for the homeless we would create more balance.
Does anyone remember the story about the homeless girl from Brentwood that graduated with perfect grades and won an important acedemics competition ( I don't remember what it was). She had teachers that believed in her. It truly takes a village sometimes with these kids.
I guess those of us that volunteer of work with this population or perhaps lived it ourselves have a different point of view.
These are good points as well. I am not really knowledgeable of those areas because they are so far from me, but I feel like many Long Islanders are the same way about my district and the one next to it; they would poo poo it constantly but on here, they are standing up for some of the people they would normally poo poo. That's LIF though.
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On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
Yes they are. I'm originally from Queens and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
I respect your opinion but i personally disagree. LI is very different from the boros in many regards. I am from the boros also and I just don't agree with this sentiment. There are a lot of factors that make LI and the boros very different.
It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was  . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
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On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
Yes they are. I'm originally from Queens and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
This is a load of CRAP.
People from the city are JUST as PICKY about getting their kids into the best schools.
For Christ's sake there's an admissions process for kids going into high school and it's CUT THROAT.
If the "city folks" weren't picky, they'd send their kids to the local high school and call it a day instead of waiting on line for HOURS to get into a school's open house and pour through applications.
So to say that LI'ers are picky and racist is total bull shit and downright insulting. That's a SWEEPING GENERALIZATION of many people and it's VERY wrong.
Parents want the best for their kids. Period, end of story.
Talk about shameful.
Yes, prepping 4 year olds for g&t, prepping for middle school testing and specialized high schools. The city is exactly the same, but worse because parents spend a ton of money and time trying to Get their kids into the best schools.
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Posted by peanutbutter2
I can't access the government websites due to the shutdown. However, every other site reporting the 2010 census lists Great Neck and Little Neck as predominantly white.
Yes, I have been to these communities.
I am not saying that everyone holds this point of view; but I have heard plenty of people say an area "isn't nice," and they have no statistics to back it up. They simply base it on race.
I also don't think communities in Queens are comparable to ones in Long Island in terms of this discussion. Queens is incredibly diverse, and Long Island is incredibly segregated.
Great neck and little neck are predominantly white and asian.
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events  
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events
I mean really - tell us how you REALLY feel! 
What about the parents in all the areas in LI where heroin is huge problem in schools - from middle to high school...what are those parents doing?
I can't stand when people from the suburbs get on their high horses and boast like living in the suburbs is the best thing since sliced bread.
Give me a break...if living in the 'burbs' has this kind of mentality I'll take my Queens neighborhood and make sure my chldren are raised to respect everyone...not just people within their SD.
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events
These kids literally hung out on the streets all afternoon, it was out of control. And when I say fooling around, yes fooling around in public. Fighting , cursing, sitting on people's personal property etc. It was something I saw every day . Where are these parents? I don't see that in my area now at all.
Believe me, we are glad we moved here too. It's a better fit for us. As for heroin as PP stated, I can't tell you anything about that 
I am not on a high horse, it was a hard decision to move away from our lives in queens. I gave you the simple reasons we moved in my post. Didn't realize it would strike a nerve, sorry.
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This was one of the saddest threads I have EVER read on here. My heart breaks for these families...and these KIDS.
What would be suggested? That those unfortunate people be kept together? Segregated?
We have become so numb . Disgusted.
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Zip codes aren't immune to disrespectful, loud, obnoxious teenagers or any aged kids.
Just like if I go to smith haven mall in burby Suffolk on a Friday or Saturday night - there they are. Where are those parents? I bet they have no idea of their kids antics.. Being yelled at by a mall cop on a Segway. (Sp).
I was in quaint port Jeff village over the summer at the park. Three teens skateboarding. The village cop warned them nicely not to skate in parking lot. Drove off. Teens laughed and started to skateboard again. Village constable turned right around and looked like he ticketed them and made them call their parents. As he should have.
I just hate the mentality of people in the burbs thinking we don't have issues here and that anywhere else is just mayhem and bad parenting.
And heroin is rampant in upper middle class areas. Smithtown is one. It doesn't matter where you live. That's my whole issue with this attitude - no one lives in some sanitized neighborhood. They don't exist.
Be an involved parent. Know what's going on in your area. But don't think you're immune due to your zip code. Or taxes. Or how much homes go for.
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events
These kids literally hung out on the streets all afternoon, it was out of control. And when I say fooling around, yes fooling around in public. Fighting , cursing, sitting on people's personal property etc. It was something I saw every day . Where are these parents? I don't see that in my area now at all.
Believe me, we are glad we moved here too. It's a better fit for us. As for heroin as PP stated, I can't tell you anything about that
I am not on a high horse, it was a hard decision to move away from our lives in queens. I gave you the simple reasons we moved in my post. Didn't realize it would strike a nerve, sorry.
I went to Roosevelt Field last week to return something and saw a bunch of bratty tweens and teenagers hanging out in clusters near the food court, screaming and cursing their heads off...not to mention the lack of clothes on some the girls.
Where are their parents???
You can't say that kids from the city have parents who are too busy to monitor what they do when the same thing happens in the suburbs.
Good thing you moved where you did then,...you'll be able to raise the perfect child since you don't see any of this happen in your neighborhood.
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Good lord, Heroin is not "rampant" in Smithtown.
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To me the big thing here is the lack of compassion for these CHILDREN. Granted, it is a valid concern to have a homeless shelter in your community. Many people who are homeless are not just homeless because of bad luck, abuse, etc. Some are, but not all. Maybe there is mental illness, drug abuse, crime, who knows?
However, once it IS there and these children are going to school as is their legal right, please, please be kind and teach your children to do the same. I am NOT religious, but the phrase, There but for the grace of God, go I comes to mind. MANY people on this board have spoken about how they live paycheck to paycheck. Some of you are probably closer to homelessness than you think....
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It's in a lot of towns. It's become a big issue on LI. I use smithtown as an example because it was addressed by the superintendent at the time and was addressed thankfully and people were concerned. It was in the news and I even recall a story about a 17 year old (who used to get high at walgreens on Main Street) who turned her life around after rehab. Then there was story in news about boy who killed his friends grandmother by stabbing her repeatedly in the area and stabbed his friend - all because he was high on heroin. victor chunga was his name. He's now in prison for life.
But many have OD'd. Some fatal. Some in rehab. It is an issue - an ongoing battle. Smithtown is a nice area but not without it's faults. And it is what it is.
So when you see people look down on a homeless facility in nearby hauppauge and concerned over lice of all things - it's hypocritical to me. That's all I'm saying. No disrespect.
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Good lord, Heroin is not "rampant" in Smithtown.
I think heroin is rampant everywhere.
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events
These kids literally hung out on the streets all afternoon, it was out of control. And when I say fooling around, yes fooling around in public. Fighting , cursing, sitting on people's personal property etc. It was something I saw every day . Where are these parents? I don't see that in my area now at all.
Believe me, we are glad we moved here too. It's a better fit for us. As for heroin as PP stated, I can't tell you anything about that
I am not on a high horse, it was a hard decision to move away from our lives in queens. I gave you the simple reasons we moved in my post. Didn't realize it would strike a nerve, sorry.
I went to Roosevelt Field last week to return something and saw a bunch of bratty tweens and teenagers hanging out in clusters near the food court, screaming and cursing their heads off...not to mention the lack of clothes on some the girls.
Where are their parents???
I ask this ALL the time! The other day at the park there were kids skateboarding ON the picnic tables where people were eating. Their parents let them roam and don't care. So many parents don't care!
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Posted by Onemoretime
These kids literally hung out on the streets all afternoon, it was out of control. And when I say fooling around, yes fooling around in public. Fighting , cursing, sitting on people's personal property etc. It was something I saw every day . Where are these parents? I don't see that in my area now at all.
Believe me, we are glad we moved here too. It's a better fit for us. As for heroin as PP stated, I can't tell you anything about that
I am not on a high horse, it was a hard decision to move away from our lives in queens. I gave you the simple reasons we moved in my post. Didn't realize it would strike a nerve, sorry.
Well I have lived in Whitestone for 31 years and have seen, on occasion, what you say you saw everyday but when I went to HS in Manhasset I ALSO saw it all the time in the town after school on my way to the bus. IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.
Guess what..parents are busy everywhere.
Some parents do not supervise their children as much as they should--everywhere.
I know I should not let your ridiculous comments get me annoyed but I am just gobsmacked at the ignorance.
Honestly I choose to live in Whitestone bc I like it here, I could move to LI if I wanted and have no issue with people who do decide to move to LI, my issue is with people who act like NOTHING bad can happen in their nieghborhood. Smarten up, bad parents live in all areas and so do bad kids.
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Yes, but I hardly consider 5 students out of a student body of 3400+ kids, RAMPANT.
Im not saying these things dont exist, Im not naive. Im just saying its not rampant or widespread.
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I can respect that.
Side note - bayside and Whitestone are so nice. I feel like I could never leave Suffolk - but beautiful areas and so many homes to die for. If I were to ever move to queens those would be on top of my list!
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events
I mean really - tell us how you REALLY feel!
What about the parents in all the areas in LI where heroin is huge problem in schools - from middle to high school...what are those parents doing?
I can't stand when people from the suburbs get on their high horses and boast like living in the suburbs is the best thing since sliced bread.
Give me a break...if living in the 'burbs' has this kind of mentality I'll take my Queens neighborhood and make sure my chldren are raised to respect everyone...not just people within their SD.
 Thank You! My child is a NYC student and she as well as her classmates have parents that are VERY involved. For the above OP to make such a sweeping generalization of NYC children is laughable. NYC has some of the best competitive schools (NEST, Stuyvesant, etc). We have many blue ribbon schools that include dual language immersion.
The kids are also exposed to such an immense array of experiences at such a young age including world renowned museums, libraries and I can go on and on. These are where their school trips take place. DD is 5 and has been to the Museum of Natural History 4+ times on school trips.
The biggest plus to me is diversity. When children are exposed to different nationalities, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, etc and learn not to discriminate and that those kids are no better or worse than you that is a life lesson that they take with them wherever they go. I would never ever want my child to think it is OK to express the attitudes such as the one above and the one from the OP. So disgusting.
Oh and I have a huge list of kids from the city who have graduated, went to Ivy league schools and hold down prestigious jobs so please hold the judgement card.
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It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
WOW...talk about generalizing.
"A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc. "
Are you kidding me with this comment?
Parents in Queens are too busy and therefore their kids are hanging out in the streets?
This is so offensive, I am glad you moved bc I wouldn't want to have to socialize with you at PTA events
I mean really - tell us how you REALLY feel!
What about the parents in all the areas in LI where heroin is huge problem in schools - from middle to high school...what are those parents doing?
I can't stand when people from the suburbs get on their high horses and boast like living in the suburbs is the best thing since sliced bread.
Give me a break...if living in the 'burbs' has this kind of mentality I'll take my Queens neighborhood and make sure my chldren are raised to respect everyone...not just people within their SD.
Thank You! My child is a NYC student and she as well as her classmates have parents that are VERY involved. For the above OP to make such a sweeping generalization of NYC children is laughable. NYC has some of the best competitive schools (NEST, Stuyvesant, etc). We have many blue ribbon schools that include dual language immersion.
The kids are also exposed to such an immense array of experiences at such a young age including world renowned museums, libraries and I can go on and on. These are where their school trips take place. DD is 5 and has been to the Museum of Natural History 4+ times on school trips.
The biggest plus to me is diversity. When children are exposed to different nationalities, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, etc and learn not to discriminate and that those kids are no better or worse than you that is a life lesson that they take with them wherever they go. I would never ever want my child to think it is OK to express the attitudes such as the one above and the one from the OP. So disgusting.
Oh and I have a huge list of kids from the city who have graduated, went to Ivy league schools and hold down prestigious jobs so please hold the judgement card.
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| Posted 10/7/13 11:47 AM |
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stinger
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
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On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
Yes they are. I'm originally from Queens and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
I respect your opinion but i personally disagree. LI is very different from the boros in many regards. I am from the boros also and I just don't agree with this sentiment. There are a lot of factors that make LI and the boros very different.
It's hard to get a good education in the city. I went to private school even though I grew up in district 26. We moved here from queens, and we were in a great district in queens. We lived right near a highly regarded k-12 school, and what I saw every afternoon was . The kids in that school , were not the kids I wanted my child going to middle and high school with. Lot of problems. We decided to move to LI . A lot of the parents in the city are too busy to worry about what their kids are doing all day. It's very different. Hanging out on the streets, fooling around in front of people's homes etc.
When we moved we looked at ALL data, and the schools themselves. We moved into this area after a ton of research and a lot of thought. It's not veiled racism, it's more that we want a certain environment for our children. education is # 1, respect for your teacher is a must, etc. maybe it can be considered classism.
I feel very indifferent toward the situation OP posted about. I really don't think these children will have any negative effect on the schools.
I grew up in one of the highly desirable, top districts in Nassau county (went from K-12 graduated in '93). There are no generalizations that I can make about where I grew up: there were very good "straight" kids, there were parents who were involved, there were plenty of drugs going around, and some kids even sold their parents' drugs! There were the wealthiest families who were class-LESS and there were families who couldn't keep up with the jones' who were some of the warmest families I knew.
My kids go to school in NYC in a highly desirable area as well. Our school ranked in the top 5 in the state for the NYS tests this past year. We have very involved parents, teachers and administration. I sometimes consider moving to LI, but actually PREFER to keep them where we are at least through elementary school. When I see the teens in Roosevelt Field mall that's when I really get freaked out about LI kids!
To answer someone's question about going to school anywhere in NYC, it's actually not the case. Now, even for middle school you have to apply (based on test scores and grades). So, those kids whose parents are able to read certain levels of communications from the board of ed, navigate, understand the system, have time to tour schools, have $ to get their kids tutored so they can score high on state tests, etc are certainly at an advantage.
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| Posted 10/7/13 12:18 PM |
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
so, about that homeless shelter.........
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| Posted 10/7/13 12:28 PM |
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cutie
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
I wanted to take a few minutes to respond to some of the posts over the last few days and clarify a few things. In an effort to keep my response short and to the point, I'm not going to quote.
For me, this is absolutely NOT a race issue nor a I don't want my kids going to school with homeless children issue. I do however take issue with facilities of this size and the potential issues that MAY come along with them, whether in my neighborhood or not.
According to the newsday article that can be found here this is the new plan for suffolk county - to open these mega shelters instead of sticking with the smaller ones that they had traditionally used. This will uproot the families from their communities where they may have some support system and take them to a potentially completely unfamiliar place. I have a lot of trouble seeing how this will benefit these families.
Many people commented on how you'd be surprised at how many communities have homeless in them and you would never know - actually I would not be surprised at all and I think that's how it should be. If you have it in every community and the people are allowed to blend into the community it makes it better for everyone involved. While I agree a facility of this size is better than people living on the street, these people are coming from other smaller shelters in the community that the county is deeming to expensive and shutting down.
People are commenting that we shouldn't keep these people segregated, but that is exactly what the county is doing! It just happens to be that they are keeping them segregated in my area. My goal in originally posting was to bring light to this whole situation because I think most people are clueless - not by choice but because of the way this was done by the county.
The article linked above mentions plans for 3 large scale facilities. Since I started trying to get more information, it has been brought to my attention that there is another facility (in a different town and school district) that is less than 7 miles from my house and also housing hundreds of people, as well as another 100 bed facility in my town. So we are not talking about a few kids and a few families - we are talking about hundreds in a 10 mile radius.
This post was not about targeting homeless children as some responses claim but rather letting people in my community who may have similar questions/concerns know about what is going on as well as where they can find the answers to those questions. You would not believe how many people that I have spoken to are completely unaware. I believe as a homeowner and a member of a community I have a right to be aware of what is happening around me. Can anyone who says they wouldn't mind this close to them say that they wouldn't at least want to be informed?
Everyone keeps bringing up the number of homeless children currently enrolled in our district. As I said in a prior post, I have no problem with that number - my concern is that the number could change tomorrow. Every family who is living there has a right to choose to send their children to our district. Right now, the families of many of the children have chosen to keep them in the districts they were in before they were displaced, however if new families move in the number attending our district can go way up. The district is already talking about increasing class size and I believe that if the number does go up substantially, resources will be stretched even thinner. And the McKinney-Vento Act provides that they may be enrolled without the documents normally needed to enroll in school (immunizations and school records). Additionally as stated in the article ""Overall, we feel that the larger facility will help people get out faster," Roberts said. "We believe in moving people. The primary goal of emergency housing is to get people housed temporarily, not to keep them there long term" so there will be people coming and going - new kids coming into the classes on a regular basis, not staying long term as some people on here thought.
While I probably should have worded my comment differently, my concern about the lice/bedbug issue is the sheer volume of people who will be placed together. I know someone had mentioned bedbugs at their college - my brother in law is a Dean and he has gone through training in spotting and dealing with bedbugs because it is the same type of thing - you are bringing together many people from different places and due to the nature of how they are spread and how quickly they become a problem I am concerned about how difficult it will be to get rid of them if they do become an issue as well as how quickly it may spread to and among the community.
Some comments have suggested trying to get more info - and that is what I am trying to do. It has been extremely difficult and frustrating. One legislator (John Kennedy) has taken questions and has agreed to meet with residents - County Executive Steve Bellone will not take phone calls and will not commit to meeting with residents to answer questions. They claim that they can not discuss things due to the homeless having the right to anonymity and protecting them but then they shove these people into these huge facilities leaving them anything but anonymous.
To the poster who went to the facility and met with people, kudos to you (and I truly mean that) however it does raise some red flags that just anyone can walk in there like that. Someone else had posted about a facility where they had to sign in and show id and it was my understanding that that is how DSS housing is set up.
I understand that CHI manages many facilities but I question whether or not they have experience in dealing with facilities of this size. Nothing on their website indicates that they do.
I question whether this model of large scale facilities has been tried and tested and found to be successful in other communities? Nassau is not changing to this model - if it is so great why would they not change as well?
My children (and I) treat everyone with respect regardless of where they come from what color they are, what religion they are and will continue to do so. As I stated before, I don't have a problem with the people but rather the situation as a whole.
Last but not least, I do have some concerns with home value - I think it would be unrealistic not to. The truth of the matter is, DH and I have spoken on many occasions about moving out of the area because its so expensive to live here. Unfortunately, we bought at the height of the market and since then the value of our home has gone down more than 20%. If this does have a negative impact on home value and we have to leave or sell for some reason (DH gets laid off, etc) we would be left owing on a house that we no longer own even though we put more than 30% down when we bought.
The district does get reimbursed for the kids but according to the superintendent it comes "close to" the per pupil cost. So if it is a decent amount and we have a large influx that may mean additional cost to tax payers.
To the people who privately messaged me , thanks for asking questions and at least trying to see where my concerns are stemming from.
Overall, I think this is a terribly sad situation and I don't see what good can come of it.
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| Posted 10/7/13 12:31 PM |
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cutie
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
I also meant to add, to anyone who may have wanted to attend the meeting, there has been a venue change - updated info can be found on the district website.
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| Posted 10/7/13 12:33 PM |
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