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You would be surprised at how many houses in your neighborhood are homeless shelters. Many look just like a regular houses! I doubt the shelter will house pedophiles and criminals with children. I think people are reaching. Really reaching.
Really? Look into the area called Gordon Heights and how many half way houses are there housing convicted pedophiles. While you're at it, look up the stats for the Shirley/Mastic Beach area.
These houses are put in low income areas RIGHT in the midst of homes with families - kids. So, yes, it does happen.
They house families WITH the convicted sex offenders? I don't think that's true, but would love to see your statistics regarding that. In many of those cases, it's a condition of the sex offenders parole to have zero contact with children. While there may be halfway houses with crimals living in them, that seems entirely different than what the OP is talking about.
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Totally off the topic of the OP, but it came up in responses:
Can I ask, bc I wonder often, when I hear people call "racism" when they speak of lack of diversity in a neighborhood.
Why when a community is predominantly, if not all white, and people choose to live there, why is it racism. Yet, in other culturally dominated neighborhoods where the majority of which is one ethnic or cultural group, why is that never called racist?
I am honestly just curious, not saying one is wrong or one is right. I just dont understand how someone wanting to live in a neighbor with people similar to them makes them a racist and why that label doesnt apply in neighborhoods of other cultures?
Calling it classism I get, but I dont know if one equals racism.
Im just asking, not saying one way or the other, just curious on opinions.
Thank you! I feel the same way. I live in the town I do because it has a good school system, it is close to DH's job, close to our parents, close to transportation and shopping. It also happens to be predominantly white. Just because of that, it means I'm racist? I never understand that argument.
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You would be surprised at how many houses in your neighborhood are homeless shelters. Many look just like a regular houses! I doubt the shelter will house pedophiles and criminals with children. I think people are reaching. Really reaching.
Really? Look into the area called Gordon Heights and how many half way houses are there housing convicted pedophiles. While you're at it, look up the stats for the Shirley/Mastic Beach area.
These houses are put in low income areas RIGHT in the midst of homes with families - kids. So, yes, it does happen.
They house families WITH the convicted sex offenders? I don't think that's true, but would love to see your statistics regarding that. In many of those cases, it's a condition of the sex offenders parole to have zero contact with children. While there may be halfway houses with crimals living in them, that seems entirely different than what the OP is talking about.
I never said living with, I said in the midst.
This is an ongoing problem, where have you been?
Coram AKA Gordon Heights
Mastic
Gordon Heights/Coram Again
Gordon Heights/Coram - this Link from Megan's Law Website
ETA: If it's not clearly stated who will be allowed to live there, who's to say there won't be any sex offenders?
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Hauppauge & Commack People please read
Okay well that is not the same as the homeless shelter housing families that the OP is talking about, and a subsequent poster saying will bring in criminals, pedophiles etc.
Again sex offenders wont be housed with children in the shelter. They are obviously housing families with children at this particular place since its a school issue remember?
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Posted by 2BadSoSad
Totally off the topic of the OP, but it came up in responses:
Can I ask, bc I wonder often, when I hear people call "racism" when they speak of lack of diversity in a neighborhood.
Why when a community is predominantly, if not all white, and people choose to live there, why is it racism. Yet, in other culturally dominated neighborhoods where the majority of which is one ethnic or cultural group, why is that never called racist?
I am honestly just curious, not saying one is wrong or one is right. I just dont understand how someone wanting to live in a neighbor with people similar to them makes them a racist and why that label doesnt apply in neighborhoods of other cultures?
Calling it classism I get, but I dont know if one equals racism.
Im just asking, not saying one way or the other, just curious on opinions.
Because there's a double standard.
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Totally off the topic of the OP, but it came up in responses:
Can I ask, bc I wonder often, when I hear people call "racism" when they speak of lack of diversity in a neighborhood.
Why when a community is predominantly, if not all white, and people choose to live there, why is it racism. Yet, in other culturally dominated neighborhoods where the majority of which is one ethnic or cultural group, why is that never called racist?
I am honestly just curious, not saying one is wrong or one is right. I just dont understand how someone wanting to live in a neighbor with people similar to them makes them a racist and why that label doesnt apply in neighborhoods of other cultures?
Calling it classism I get, but I dont know if one equals racism.
Im just asking, not saying one way or the other, just curious on opinions.
Because people living in the predominantly white areas often define other areas as "bad." I don't think it has to do with people wanting to live near those who are similar to them (which, honestly, I don't really understand...what does it even matter?). It has to do with the equation of cultural/racial diversity to bad. Plenty of people do it.
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Okay well that is not the same as the homeless shelter housing families that the OP is talking about, and a subsequent poster saying will bring in criminals, pedophiles etc.
Again sex offenders wont be housed with children in the shelter. They are obviously housing families with children at this particular place since its a school issue remember?
I found this...
Over 92% have experienced severe physical and/or sexual abuse during their lifetime. For 63%, this abuse was perpetrated by an intimate partner. 5
A number of studies have emphasized the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and homelessness among adult women (Bassuk and Rosenberg, 1988; Davies-Netzley & Hurlburt, & Hough, 1996; Simons & Whitbeck, 1991; Stermac & Paradis, 2001; Wenzel et al., 2004; Zugazaga, 2004).
It would seem to me that there's a correlation between homelessness and sexual assault.
Very sad.
I feel very bad for anyone who is homeless, it's terrible and truly heartbreaking especially for children. I don't see anything wrong with these kids going to school there, but I just wish there was a better option for housing. It just doesn't seem safe all around.
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Posted by 2BadSoSad
Totally off the topic of the OP, but it came up in responses:
Can I ask, bc I wonder often, when I hear people call "racism" when they speak of lack of diversity in a neighborhood.
Why when a community is predominantly, if not all white, and people choose to live there, why is it racism. Yet, in other culturally dominated neighborhoods where the majority of which is one ethnic or cultural group, why is that never called racist?
I am honestly just curious, not saying one is wrong or one is right. I just dont understand how someone wanting to live in a neighbor with people similar to them makes them a racist and why that label doesnt apply in neighborhoods of other cultures?
Calling it classism I get, but I dont know if one equals racism.
Im just asking, not saying one way or the other, just curious on opinions.
Because people living in the predominantly white areas often define other areas as "bad." I don't think it has to do with people wanting to live near those who are similar to them (which, honestly, I don't really understand...what does it even matter?). It has to do with the equation of cultural/racial diversity to bad. Plenty of people do it.
TOTALLY disagree.
Ever been to Great Neck? It's predominantly Indian. VERY VERY VERY nice area and isn't very "white". Jamaica Estates is also really nice, and not "white" at all. Same for Little Neck. All areas that aren't predominantly white.
"Nice areas" aren't based on race or socioeconomic levels. They're based on the crime rate, graduation rates, and the general quality of life. Brentwood, and Central Islip were all BEAUTIFUL communities back in the day. They're no longer really considered nice because of the crime associated there.
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LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Segregated by what? Mean income, race, ethnicity? Please be more specific and I'd really LOVE it if you could link me to these facts.
This is just one Link
But I don't think if you live in a mostly X area it means your racist. I just think overall the segregation we have on LI has some impact on how people see things. Whether we realize it or not.
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I can't access the government websites due to the shutdown. However, every other site reporting the 2010 census lists Great Neck and Little Neck as predominantly white.
Yes, I have been to these communities.
I am not saying that everyone holds this point of view; but I have heard plenty of people say an area "isn't nice," and they have no statistics to back it up. They simply base it on race.
I also don't think communities in Queens are comparable to ones in Long Island in terms of this discussion. Queens is incredibly diverse, and Long Island is incredibly segregated.
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LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Segregated by what? Mean income, race, ethnicity? Please be more specific and I'd really LOVE it if you could link me to these facts.
This is just one Link
But I don't think if you live in a mostly X area it means your racist. I just think overall the segregation we have on LI has some impact on how people see things. Whether we realize it or not.
Segregation and how people see things works both ways. I'm just tired of the innuendo that if you're white you're a rich snob who is racist.
Not true.
I mentioned above, some other areas that are affluent and not predominantly white. I'm sure they too would be up in arms about housing being built for the homeless in their towns.
Is that the PC or "pretty" way of looking at this? NO, it isn't. But the reality is people of all RACES think NIMBY. Not just the crackers in Hauppaugue.
Right or wrong, the bottom line is where there is poverty there is crime. I'm sure there are gazillions of studies on it. I took my sociology classes in college, this isn't breaking news and with that in mind, no, people don't want to bring in residents that could possibly open the gates to the area becoming bad.
This has ZERO to do with race, if you ask me.
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Okay well that is not the same as the homeless shelter housing families that the OP is talking about, and a subsequent poster saying will bring in criminals, pedophiles etc.
Again sex offenders wont be housed with children in the shelter. They are obviously housing families with children at this particular place since its a school issue remember?
I found this...
Over 92% have experienced severe physical and/or sexual abuse during their lifetime. For 63%, this abuse was perpetrated by an intimate partner. 5
A number of studies have emphasized the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and homelessness among adult women (Bassuk and Rosenberg, 1988; Davies-Netzley & Hurlburt, & Hough, 1996; Simons & Whitbeck, 1991; Stermac & Paradis, 2001; Wenzel et al., 2004; Zugazaga, 2004).
It would seem to me that there's a correlation between homelessness and sexual assault.
Very sad.
I feel very bad for anyone who is homeless, it's terrible and truly heartbreaking especially for children. I don't see anything wrong with these kids going to school there, but I just wish there was a better option for housing. It just doesn't seem safe all around.
That doesn't mean they are housing pedophiles and criminals with the kids at this particular shelter. I don't doubt for a minute that there is more abuse, etc. amongst the homeless population. I was merely responding to the fact that someone said this particular shelter will bring in the variety of people as stated above. I digress though 
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Posted by peanutbutter2
I can't access the government websites due to the shutdown. However, every other site reporting the 2010 census lists Great Neck and Little Neck as predominantly white.
Yes, I have been to these communities.
I am not saying that everyone holds this point of view; but I have heard plenty of people say an area "isn't nice," and they have no statistics to back it up. They simply base it on race.
I also don't think communities in Queens are comparable to ones in Long Island in terms of this discussion. Queens is incredibly diverse, and Long Island is incredibly segregated.
I think when people are discussing "good areas vs. bad areas" it's not based on race. It's based on a lot of things, mainly crime. Again, I mentioned areas that are often labeled bad and the reason is because those areas have a lot of crime.
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I was merely responding to the fact that someone said this particular shelter will bring in the variety of people as stated above. I digress though
If you are referring to my post, I never said it WOULD bring in. I said "Would it bring in?", if not properly managed and "rented" out.
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Posted by peanutbutter2
I can't access the government websites due to the shutdown. However, every other site reporting the 2010 census lists Great Neck and Little Neck as predominantly white.
Yes, I have been to these communities.
I am not saying that everyone holds this point of view; but I have heard plenty of people say an area "isn't nice," and they have no statistics to back it up. They simply base it on race.
I also don't think communities in Queens are comparable to ones in Long Island in terms of this discussion. Queens is incredibly diverse, and Long Island is incredibly segregated.
I think when people are discussing "good areas vs. bad areas" it's not based on race. It's based on a lot of things, mainly crime. Again, I mentioned areas that are often labeled bad and the reason is because those areas have a lot of crime.
I was just going to write THIS.
When ANYONE I hear on LI refer to an area that isn't good, or safe, it's NOT based on race, it's based on crime, school district, property values, etc. If that happens to correlate with a particular race/races, that's just based on the population in that particular area.
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Okay well that is not the same as the homeless shelter housing families that the OP is talking about, and a subsequent poster saying will bring in criminals, pedophiles etc.
Again sex offenders wont be housed with children in the shelter. They are obviously housing families with children at this particular place since its a school issue remember?
I found this...
Over 92% have experienced severe physical and/or sexual abuse during their lifetime. For 63%, this abuse was perpetrated by an intimate partner. 5
A number of studies have emphasized the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and homelessness among adult women (Bassuk and Rosenberg, 1988; Davies-Netzley & Hurlburt, & Hough, 1996; Simons & Whitbeck, 1991; Stermac & Paradis, 2001; Wenzel et al., 2004; Zugazaga, 2004).
It would seem to me that there's a correlation between homelessness and sexual assault.
Very sad.
I feel very bad for anyone who is homeless, it's terrible and truly heartbreaking especially for children. I don't see anything wrong with these kids going to school there, but I just wish there was a better option for housing. It just doesn't seem safe all around.
That doesn't mean they are housing pedophiles and criminals with the kids at this particular shelter. I don't doubt for a minute that there is more abuse, etc. amongst the homeless population. I was merely responding to the fact that someone said this particular shelter will bring in the variety of people as stated above. I digress though
Agreed. But I do think based on information like I posted it makes families nervous. They're paying a lot to live on Long Island, in an area they moved to because it's deemed "nice", "safe", what have you. And there's a concern that there could be people living there that will cause trouble and not make it as nice or safe a place to live.
I think if anything the correlation is more along the economic level.
There are many unknowns...who will live there, how will this impact my family, my kids, my neighborhood. I think those worries are had by everyone...People fear change.
Not to mention, it sounds to me like there isn't much info out there for the public so rather than addressing it people are letting the "what ifs" run the (shit) show.
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Posted by HoneyBadger
Right or wrong, the bottom line is where there is poverty there is crime. I'm sure there are gazillions of studies on it. I took my sociology classes in college, this isn't breaking news and with that in mind, no, people don't want to bring in residents that could possibly open the gates to the area becoming bad.
This has ZERO to do with race, if you ask me.
ITA. Well said and excellent point
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Okay well that is not the same as the homeless shelter housing families that the OP is talking about, and a subsequent poster saying will bring in criminals, pedophiles etc.
Again sex offenders wont be housed with children in the shelter. They are obviously housing families with children at this particular place since its a school issue remember?
I found this...
Over 92% have experienced severe physical and/or sexual abuse during their lifetime. For 63%, this abuse was perpetrated by an intimate partner. 5
A number of studies have emphasized the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and homelessness among adult women (Bassuk and Rosenberg, 1988; Davies-Netzley & Hurlburt, & Hough, 1996; Simons & Whitbeck, 1991; Stermac & Paradis, 2001; Wenzel et al., 2004; Zugazaga, 2004).
It would seem to me that there's a correlation between homelessness and sexual assault.
Very sad.
I feel very bad for anyone who is homeless, it's terrible and truly heartbreaking especially for children. I don't see anything wrong with these kids going to school there, but I just wish there was a better option for housing. It just doesn't seem safe all around.
That doesn't mean they are housing pedophiles and criminals with the kids at this particular shelter. I don't doubt for a minute that there is more abuse, etc. amongst the homeless population. I was merely responding to the fact that someone said this particular shelter will bring in the variety of people as stated above. I digress though
Agreed. But I do think based on information like I posted it makes families nervous. They're paying a lot to live on Long Island, in an area they moved to because it's deemed "nice", "safe", what have you. And there's a concern that there could be people living there that will cause trouble and not make it as nice or safe a place to live.
I think if anything the correlation is more along the economic level.
There are many unknowns...who will live there, how will this impact my family, my kids, my neighborhood. I think those worries are had by everyone...People fear change.
Not to mention, it sounds to me like there isn't much info out there for the public so rather than addressing it people are letting the "what ifs" run the (shit) show.
There are homeless people living in "nice" neighborhoods, and people have no idea. That was my point before. They are in shelters that look just like regular houses. Setauket is a nice area. Not crime ridden, not poor. Someone else pointed out there are 25 homeless kids in their district. Where do you think they live? So this one shelter in Hauppauge isn't going to break the town, or drive down property values, or bring in a bunch of crime, etc.
I have a headache so I won't go back and forth anymore 
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LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Thanks for the city people who jumped in. I do agree. Then again, I must admit I'm one of those jerks who dislikes people parking in front of my house - which I know is an LI pet peeve. But I recognize it.
It's just very different. Where I grew up it was a lot of rentals but we owned. Often the rentals were the ones that had people coming and going, and often they were not the best neighbors and sometimes brought in trouble. They could have been ANY color, happened to be white 99% of the time, but trouble. To me it's more about stability in the home, sometimes income plays into this if you move around obviously that can effect stability, vs color or race.
It's hard to describe unless you have lived in both areas but I think when issues like this arise, it's the $$ that segregates LI, NOT the color of people. And it is what it is. If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
And I think that was the OP's concern, although she is getting bashed for trying to express that. I don't think she is being clear but there are many factors that come into play when you spend $$$ in taxes and $$$ on a house to live in a good, safe area with good property values. Has nothing to do with skin color to me. Has to do with consistency and I believe consistency in the home which comes from $$ stability, parental stability, etc. (vs skin color) is what people expect when living in LI (vs the boros).
It's hard to explain on here, hope I am making my self clear before I get bashed. LOL.
The boros dwellings are mostly NON owner occupied rentals. So obviously you are going to have a bigger mix across the board financially, racially, etc. LI is primarily OWNER occupied single family homes. Comparing city schools to LI schools is honestly comparing apples to oranges.
Goobs-I like you, but all this above could have been said in a much shorter version:
NOT IN MY BACKYARD
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Posted by BargainMama
Okay well that is not the same as the homeless shelter housing families that the OP is talking about, and a subsequent poster saying will bring in criminals, pedophiles etc.
Again sex offenders wont be housed with children in the shelter. They are obviously housing families with children at this particular place since its a school issue remember?
I found this...
Over 92% have experienced severe physical and/or sexual abuse during their lifetime. For 63%, this abuse was perpetrated by an intimate partner. 5
A number of studies have emphasized the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and homelessness among adult women (Bassuk and Rosenberg, 1988; Davies-Netzley & Hurlburt, & Hough, 1996; Simons & Whitbeck, 1991; Stermac & Paradis, 2001; Wenzel et al., 2004; Zugazaga, 2004).
It would seem to me that there's a correlation between homelessness and sexual assault.
Very sad.
I feel very bad for anyone who is homeless, it's terrible and truly heartbreaking especially for children. I don't see anything wrong with these kids going to school there, but I just wish there was a better option for housing. It just doesn't seem safe all around.
That doesn't mean they are housing pedophiles and criminals with the kids at this particular shelter. I don't doubt for a minute that there is more abuse, etc. amongst the homeless population. I was merely responding to the fact that someone said this particular shelter will bring in the variety of people as stated above. I digress though
Agreed. But I do think based on information like I posted it makes families nervous. They're paying a lot to live on Long Island, in an area they moved to because it's deemed "nice", "safe", what have you. And there's a concern that there could be people living there that will cause trouble and not make it as nice or safe a place to live.
I think if anything the correlation is more along the economic level.
There are many unknowns...who will live there, how will this impact my family, my kids, my neighborhood. I think those worries are had by everyone...People fear change.
Not to mention, it sounds to me like there isn't much info out there for the public so rather than addressing it people are letting the "what ifs" run the (shit) show.
There are homeless people living in "nice" neighborhoods, and people have no idea. That was my point before. They are in shelters that look just like regular houses. Setauket is a nice area. Not crime ridden, not poor. Someone else pointed out there are 25 homeless kids in their district. Where do you think they live? So this one shelter in Hauppauge isn't going to break the town, or drive down property values, or bring in a bunch of crime, etc.
I have a headache so I won't go back and forth anymore
Just one last point because I agree, it's Friday and I'm done debating too! 
I would like to think people would have less issues with this project if it were individual homes going up as they are in other areas. I think having a large group residence housing 100 or more people is definitely undesirable in an area that is pretty much all single family homes. I agree they need to go somewhere and there's no reason they can't be part of a good neighborhood.
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Would have less issues with this project if it were individual homes going up as they are in other areas. I think having a large group residence housing 100 or more people is definitely undesirable in an area that is pretty much all single family homes. I agree they need to go somewhere and there's no reason they can't be part of a good neighborhood.
I think the density of the shelter is the bigger concern that i actually recognized in what the OP was trying to express. B/c with density and overcrowding (again, as OP said, so many people living in a motel room) it does increase the chances of certain not so good possibilities. I mean, of course it is better than a person or family living on the street, but it's not without it's own set of issues for ALL - the homeless residents, for neighboring areas, possibly what then bleeds into the classroom setting/school district, etc.
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I can't access the government websites due to the shutdown. However, every other site reporting the 2010 census lists Great Neck and Little Neck as predominantly white.
Yes, I have been to these communities.
I am not saying that everyone holds this point of view; but I have heard plenty of people say an area "isn't nice," and they have no statistics to back it up. They simply base it on race.
I also don't think communities in Queens are comparable to ones in Long Island in terms of this discussion. Queens is incredibly diverse, and Long Island is incredibly segregated.
This has been my experience as well. Not saying it's fact for all - just what I have encountered growing up and even now. Our experiences fuel our opinions too. I don't disagree with a lot of honey badgers points though. I side with some points she made. And I think racism is on all sides when it occurs - just like half baked's experience on the subway the other day.
But all that aside .. Getting back to the OP .. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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| Posted 10/4/13 4:14 PM |
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
The article for "Mastic" is from 2006. A lot has been done for and with this community to stop these types of housing situations. I live in the William Floyd SD (born, raised and raising my cild there, as well). The amount of "notices" I have received for sex offenders coming into the area in the past 8 years I can count on one hand. When I lived in Ridge (Longwood) for 5 years I got a lot more. But people like to target certain communities when making their point.
I think what your post could tell us is that there is a great need to expand the areas where people needing assistance are placed. Why keep adding poverty to poverty (you say you took sociology) and putting people in a postion where they might very well be subjected to more crime, poor life style choices and continue the cycle. Why not seek out different and more "middle class" areas for people to receive services in and become part of those communities where they might see a way out?
I know this isn't the same post, but you mentioned Great Neck. I spend a great deal of time in Great Neck for my job. It is very, very white. Especially the little enclaves of Kings Point, Kensington and the like.
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| Posted 10/4/13 4:19 PM |
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MrsP6311
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
Posted by Goobster
Posted by CookiePuss
And, most communities on LI have a form of a homeless shelter/domestic abuse shelter and section 8 housing within their borders. Communities are already successfully integrating a homeless population without a negative effect on their property values.
Sure, maybe these places are well run and that is wonderful. That would be ideal! But does anyone know how this place that the OP is referring to WILL be run? Exactly why someone has a right to get the facts and find out what the plans are, what will be the impact, who will oversee that they follow certain rules (the organization setting up the homeless shelter) to keep the facility safe, clean, free from overcrowding, adhere to set limits of # of people housed, keep a cleanly maintained facility, not become a haven for pedophiles or criminals, etc. This has to be RUN well for ALL members of the community.
Is anyone who has blasted the OP thinking of the ramifications to others IF the facility does not uphold to being run well or adhere to certain standards? I am sorry, but that would be ignorant of residents to NOT want to know every detail of a newly proposed homeless shelter in their area. That's your right as a property owner to know what is going on in your town, neighborhood, etc.
Pedophiles CAN NOT be housed in the same area r facility as children. Usually a facility of this magnitude will hbe security officers. I also believe it will be run By CHI which runs a good majority if shelters in the county. They will be staffed 24/7 and the residents will have curfews and rules. If these rules are broken DSS will mow them. They will also have a DSS caseworker assigned that will be at the site daily. They will only be Aloted a set number of beds. They can not house people not placed through DSS. Please call the Comissiners of DSS office for more details they are te best ones to tell you
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| Posted 10/4/13 4:30 PM |
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Re: Hauppauge & Commack People please read
Posted by HoneyBadger
"Nice areas" aren't based on race or socioeconomic levels. They're based on the crime rate, graduation rates, and the general quality of life. Brentwood, and Central Islip were all BEAUTIFUL communities back in the day. They're no longer really considered nice because of the crime associated there.
But there is a relationship between race and socioeconomic status. And there is a relationship between socioeconomic status and crime rates, graduation rates and quality of life. That is fact. Therefore when people talk about "bad" areas vs. "nice" areas there is an element of race being skirted around. There is also classism, as I said before, not based on race but certainly based on socioeconomic status. I have found people often link the 2 and make vast assumptions about the racial make up of an area based on the economics of it. I also see and hear a lot of racist and classist remarks about where I live and most of it is not only wrong but down right disgusting.
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| Posted 10/4/13 4:34 PM |
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