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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
Yes they are. I'm originally from Queens and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
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The original post just stated where people can get more information about whats going on. That's one of the things I love about lifamilies. It makes me aware of things I might not have known about otherwise.
If there was something going on in my town that could potentially affect my school district and in turn my property value of course I would want to know more about it and have an opinion about it. Does that mean I have no compassion, no. Does that mean I am a bad person, no.
She took it upon herself ONE POST later to elaborate on her feelings after only ONE person said something non-offensive to her.
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
Yes they are. I'm originally from Queens and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
Agree with your veiled racism point.
In NYC students have zoned elementary and most places a middle school although in some areas you can apply to MS programs.
For HS you applu also. Some areas in NYC (especially in Queens) still have zoned HS's where students are entitled to a seat.
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in high school i met a girl who was kinda like me (different) and we became friends. She never would invite me to her house, she was new to the district and all I wanted to do was be with her because she was the first person who got me. 2 months after meeting her she was crying when at my house and finally told me she lives in the motel in our town and is homeless. She once came from very well off area with lots of affluent friends/family but soon after the father lost his job, mental illness hit after years of no work, that all the friends/family left them. So I helped her and her family out when I could. When visiting her at the motel I recognized two other faces, two other individuals from high school that lived in the motel.
All three graduated with high marks, all three are college graduated and doing incredibly well. None of them had any shady histories. None of them stunk, were dirty or wore horrible clothing.
These were people who just had a bad situation hit them. I know some homeless/transient populations have mental illness and some are violent but the drunk wife beater who is homeless living in a motel is the same drunk wife beater living in a cape making 100+K.
My point - not every homeless person is scum, just like not every rich person living in a mansion is some heartless WASP. If the town wants to permit a place for children to go to school and live in a home perhaps the solution is to ensure that proper background checks and oversight is in place instead of blanket view of all "of them" are going to drag us to hell.
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Posted by computergirl
and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
I respect your opinion but i personally disagree.
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LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Thanks for the city people who jumped in. I do agree. Then again, I must admit I'm one of those jerks who dislikes people parking in front of my house - which I know is an LI pet peeve. But I recognize it.
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Thanks for the city people who jumped in. I do agree. Then again, I must admit I'm one of those jerks who dislikes people parking in front of my house - which I know is an LI pet peeve. But I recognize it.
It's just very different. Where I grew up it was a lot of rentals but we owned. Often the rentals were the ones that had people coming and going, and often they were not the best neighbors and sometimes brought in trouble. They could have been ANY color, happened to be white 99% of the time, but trouble. To me it's more about stability in the home, sometimes income plays into this if you move around obviously that can effect stability, vs color or race.
It's hard to describe unless you have lived in both areas but I think when issues like this arise, it's the $$ that segregates LI, NOT the color of people. And it is what it is. If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
And I think that was the OP's concern, although she is getting bashed for trying to express that. I don't think she is being clear but there are many factors that come into play when you spend $$$ in taxes and $$$ on a house to live in a good, safe area with good property values. Has nothing to do with skin color to me. Has to do with consistency and I believe consistency in the home which comes from $$ stability, parental stability, etc. (vs skin color) is what people expect when living in LI (vs the boros).
It's hard to explain on here, hope I am making my self clear before I get bashed. LOL.
The boros dwellings are mostly NON owner occupied rentals. So obviously you are going to have a bigger mix across the board financially, racially, etc. LI is primarily OWNER occupied single family homes. Comparing city schools to LI schools is honestly comparing apples to oranges.
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If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
I don't think ANY homeowner, regardless of what their home costs, wants a flop-house or illegal rental next door. But this facility the OP talks about is neither of those things.
It's funny but the people coming on here to "defend" the OP are just digging a bigger hole IMO. The more they try to justify their responses, the more ignorant they sound.
And to the poster that said "veiled racism", I can assure you, it is hardly veiled at all. Call it what it is. It is racism and classism. I laugh when people say they want diversity.
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Thanks for the city people who jumped in. I do agree. Then again, I must admit I'm one of those jerks who dislikes people parking in front of my house - which I know is an LI pet peeve. But I recognize it.
It's just very different. Where I grew up it was a lot of rentals but we owned. Often the rentals were the ones that had people coming and going, and often they were not the best neighbors and sometimes brought in trouble. They could have been ANY color, happened to be white 99% of the time, but trouble. To me it's more about stability in the home, sometimes income plays into this if you move around obviously that can effect stability, vs color or race.
It's hard to describe unless you have lived in both areas but I think when issues like this arise, it's the $$ that segregates LI, NOT the color of people. And it is what it is. If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
And I think that was the OP's concern, although she is getting bashed for trying to express that. I don't think she is being clear but there are many factors that come into play when you spend $$$ in taxes and $$$ on a house to live in a good, safe area with good property values. Has nothing to do with skin color to me. Has to do with consistency and I believe consistency in the home which comes from $$ stability, parental stability, etc. (vs skin color) is what people expect when living in LI (vs the boros).
It's hard to explain on here, hope I am making my self clear before I get bashed. LOL.
The boros dwellings are mostly NON owner occupied rentals. So obviously you are going to have a bigger mix across the board financially, racially, etc. LI is primarily OWNER occupied single family homes. Comparing city schools to LI schools is honestly comparing apples to oranges.
Goobster, you make a really good point about the $$$ for homes and taxes here. I think it does put people more "on edge" about any changes in their neighborhood/school district than it would in the boros.
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If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
I don't think ANY homeowner, regardless of what their home costs, wants a flop-house or illegal rental next door. But this facility the OP talks about is neither of those things.
It's funny but the people coming on here to "defend" the OP are just digging a bigger hole IMO. The more they try to justify their responses, the more ignorant they sound.
And to the poster that said "veiled racism", I can assure you, it is hardly veiled at all. Call it what it is. It is racism and classism. I laugh when people say they want diversity.
I am not digging a bigger hole. I am looking at all sides of this, especially from a homeowner perspective. I don't live in that SD so I don't speak from personal concerns. Just want to have an intelligent discussion when it comes to WHY people have concerns about something like this, a motel turned homeless shelter, in their district.
I think to blanket statement call people cruel or racist for being concerned with the impact of something like this is just unfair. I am not defending the OP, but nor will I attack the OP for having concerns. Maybe some of them are unfounded, maybe some are based in fear, but maybe a slight aspect of it is a valid concern.
As I said, I know growing up in an area where there were many rentals and people coming and going, I absolutely saw what that could bring in and often did. So I don't think the OPs totally off base to want residents to come together to know more.
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
There is a different system in the city and Long Island. In the city you can go to any of your zoned schools and there is more than one to choose from. In long island you have to go to the schools that your house is zoned to and there is no choice.
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LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Thanks for the city people who jumped in. I do agree. Then again, I must admit I'm one of those jerks who dislikes people parking in front of my house - which I know is an LI pet peeve. But I recognize it.
It's just very different. Where I grew up it was a lot of rentals but we owned. Often the rentals were the ones that had people coming and going, and often they were not the best neighbors and sometimes brought in trouble. They could have been ANY color, happened to be white 99% of the time, but trouble. To me it's more about stability in the home, sometimes income plays into this if you move around obviously that can effect stability, vs color or race.
It's hard to describe unless you have lived in both areas but I think when issues like this arise, it's the $$ that segregates LI, NOT the color of people. And it is what it is. If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
And I think that was the OP's concern, although she is getting bashed for trying to express that. I don't think she is being clear but there are many factors that come into play when you spend $$$ in taxes and $$$ on a house to live in a good, safe area with good property values. Has nothing to do with skin color to me. Has to do with consistency and I believe consistency in the home which comes from $$ stability, parental stability, etc. (vs skin color) is what people expect when living in LI (vs the boros).
It's hard to explain on here, hope I am making my self clear before I get bashed. LOL.
The boros dwellings are mostly NON owner occupied rentals. So obviously you are going to have a bigger mix across the board financially, racially, etc. LI is primarily OWNER occupied single family homes. Comparing city schools to LI schools is honestly comparing apples to oranges.
Goobster, you make a really good point about the $$$ for homes and taxes here. I think it does put people more "on edge" about any changes in their neighborhood/school district than it would in the boros.
I can't speak for all the boroughs, but Queens home prices are probably twice as expensive as in most parts of LI. I just think folks here expect a certain level of diversity (high!) here as opposed to the island. Oh, how many of my friends have moved to Nassau because of the demographics here..."The last one out take the flag..." and all that nonsense. The amount of times I've had to defend why I'm "still here..." Which is a real laugh if you know my neighborhood. Anyway...
The only other thing I'll add is that I think there's hypocrisy on all sides here...
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I can't speak for all the boroughs, but Queens home prices are probably twice as expensive as in most parts of LI. I just think folks here expect a certain level of diversity (high!) here as opposed to the island. Oh, how many of my friends have moved to Nassau because of the demographics here..."The last one out take the flag..." and all that nonsense. The amount of times I've had to defend why I'm "still here..." Which is a real laugh if you know my neighborhood. Anyway...
The only other thing I'll add is that I think there's hypocrisy on all sides here...
Sure they are expensive. But most Queens towns (with the exception of maybe a few towns that have many single family dwellings) consist of two family or multiple family dwellings, that either are strictly rentals or maybe one apt is owner occupied and the other apts are strictly rentals. And people generally move to the boros for convenience, or for a rental, than for the school district (with the exception of a few towns and districts, once again). That is the biggest difference b/w the boros and LI and that it what lends to the difference in demographics.
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If your neighborhood costs $400k for an average home, I highly doubt you would want a flop house next to you, with various people coming and going, illegal rentals, etc.
I don't think ANY homeowner, regardless of what their home costs, wants a flop-house or illegal rental next door. But this facility the OP talks about is neither of those things.
It's funny but the people coming on here to "defend" the OP are just digging a bigger hole IMO. The more they try to justify their responses, the more ignorant they sound.
And to the poster that said "veiled racism", I can assure you, it is hardly veiled at all. Call it what it is. It is racism and classism. I laugh when people say they want diversity.
I am not digging a bigger hole. I am looking at all sides of this, especially from a homeowner perspective. I don't live in that SD so I don't speak from personal concerns. Just want to have an intelligent discussion when it comes to WHY people have concerns about something like this, a motel turned homeless shelter, in their district.
I think to blanket statement call people cruel or racist for being concerned with the impact of something like this is just unfair. I am not defending the OP, but nor will I attack the OP for having concerns. Maybe some of them are unfounded, maybe some are based in fear, but maybe a slight aspect of it is a valid concern.
As I said, I know growing up in an area where there were many rentals and people coming and going, I absolutely saw what that could bring in and often did. So I don't think the OPs totally off base to want residents to come together to know more.
I agree, as a homeowner I would want inform too. But to state as the OP did that this will That many transient people under one roof is sure to bring things like lice, bedbugs and viruses to our school and community. is that statement I find offensive as she is directly making a blanket statement about homeless children that I find cruel and ignorant.
And, most communities on LI have a form of a homeless shelter/domestic abuse shelter and section 8 housing within their borders. Communities are already successfully integrating a homeless population without a negative effect on their property values.
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And, most communities on LI have a form of a homeless shelter/domestic abuse shelter and section 8 housing within their borders. Communities are already successfully integrating a homeless population without a negative effect on their property values.
Sure, maybe these places are well run and that is wonderful. That would be ideal! But does anyone know how this place that the OP is referring to WILL be run? Exactly why someone has a right to get the facts and find out what the plans are, what will be the impact, who will oversee that they follow certain rules (the organization setting up the homeless shelter) to keep the facility safe, clean, free from overcrowding, adhere to set limits of # of people housed, keep a cleanly maintained facility, not become a haven for pedophiles or criminals, etc. This has to be RUN well for ALL members of the community.
Is anyone who has blasted the OP thinking of the ramifications to others IF the facility does not uphold to being run well or adhere to certain standards? I am sorry, but that would be ignorant of residents to NOT want to know every detail of a newly proposed homeless shelter in their area. That's your right as a property owner to know what is going on in your town, neighborhood, etc.
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Thank God for the sensibility of the McKinney-Vento Act.
The following is the policy of the Congress:
(1) Each State educational agency shall ensure that each child of a homeless individual and each homeless youth has equal access to the same free, appropriate public education, including a public preschool education, as provided to other children and youths.
(2) In any State that has a compulsory residency requirement as a component of the State's compulsory school attendance laws or other laws, regulations, practices, or policies that may act as a barrier to the enrollment, attendance, or success in school of homeless children and youths, the State will review and undertake steps to revise such laws, regulations, practices, or policies to ensure that homeless children and youths are afforded the same free, appropriate public education as provided to other children and youths.
(3) Homelessness alone is not sufficient reason to separate students from the mainstream school environment.
(4) Homeless children and youths should have access to the education and other services that such children and youths need to ensure that such children and youths have an opportunity to meet the same challenging State student academic achievement standards to which all students are held.
I understand concerns on class size, but that is not justified based on the chart. I understand concerns of harmful residents (but quiet honestly unless they are a Level 3 sex offender theres not much you can do -- and we all have many more than we realize in our communities already).
This is DISGUSTING, IGNORANT behavior.
May these children have the opportunity to learn, grow and succeed despite their warm welcome...
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Posted by computergirl
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
On another note - I'd love someone who has experience with the city and schools to jump in here. From my understanding, kids from all neighborhoods can go to whatever school in the city if allowed. Are LIers more picky?
Yes they are. I'm originally from Queens and a lot of the "pickiness" Long Islanders have about the makeup of their schools is actually veiled racism.
This is a load of CRAP.
People from the city are JUST as PICKY about getting their kids into the best schools.
For Christ's sake there's an admissions process for kids going into high school and it's CUT THROAT.
If the "city folks" weren't picky, they'd send their kids to the local high school and call it a day instead of waiting on line for HOURS to get into a school's open house and pour through applications.
So to say that LI'ers are picky and racist is total bull shit and downright insulting. That's a SWEEPING GENERALIZATION of many people and it's VERY wrong.
Parents want the best for their kids. Period, end of story.
Talk about shameful.
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You would be surprised at how many houses in your neighborhood are homeless shelters. Many look just like a regular houses! I doubt the shelter will house pedophiles and criminals with children. I think people are reaching. Really reaching.
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
LI is one of the most segrated places in the country. I'll have to find link. I think that contributes to a lot of this fear.
Segregated by what? Mean income, race, ethnicity? Please be more specific and I'd really LOVE it if you could link me to these facts.
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You would be surprised at how many houses in your neighborhood are homeless shelters. Many look just like a regular houses! I doubt the shelter will house pedophiles and criminals with children. I think people are reaching. Really reaching.
Really? Look into the area called Gordon Heights and how many half way houses are there housing convicted pedophiles. While you're at it, look up the stats for the Shirley/Mastic Beach area.
These houses are put in low income areas RIGHT in the midst of homes with families - kids. So, yes, it does happen.
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You would be surprised at how many houses in your neighborhood are homeless shelters. Many look just like a regular houses! I doubt the shelter will house pedophiles and criminals with children. I think people are reaching. Really reaching.
I don't think it's reaching at all. I have read that many of the extended stay hotels house criminals and pedophiles, b/c of the lack of having to provide a credit report or background check (like you might with regular rentals), etc, to stay. I don't think it's reaching in possibility at all. Again, it would entirely depend on the WAY it is run and who is monitoring the facility, organization, etc. I have no clue in this senario any of this info but if I were in their shoes I would want to know EVERY detail.
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You would be surprised at how many houses in your neighborhood are homeless shelters. Many look just like a regular houses! I doubt the shelter will house pedophiles and criminals with children. I think people are reaching. Really reaching.
Really? Look into the area called Gordon Heights and how many half way houses are there housing convicted pedophiles. While you're at it, look up the stats for the Shirley/Mastic Beach area.
These houses are put in low income areas RIGHT in the midst of homes with families - kids. So, yes, it does happen.
Right.
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And, most communities on LI have a form of a homeless shelter/domestic abuse shelter and section 8 housing within their borders. Communities are already successfully integrating a homeless population without a negative effect on their property values.
Sure, maybe these places are well run and that is wonderful. That would be ideal! But does anyone know how this place that the OP is referring to WILL be run? Exactly why someone has a right to get the facts and find out what the plans are, what will be the impact, who will oversee that they follow certain rules (the organization setting up the homeless shelter) to keep the facility safe, clean, free from overcrowding, adhere to set limits of # of people housed, keep a cleanly maintained facility, not become a haven for pedophiles or criminals, etc. This has to be RUN well for ALL members of the community.
Is anyone who has blasted the OP thinking of the ramifications to others IF the facility does not uphold to being run well or adhere to certain standards? I am sorry, but that would be ignorant of residents to NOT want to know every detail of a newly proposed homeless shelter in their area. That's your right as a property owner to know what is going on in your town, neighborhood, etc.
You removed my first statement when you quoted me which did say that homeowners have a right to be informed. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I don't think the community shouldn't ask questions...they should.
It was her statements that stereotyped this population as virus infected, lice bearing, bedbug spreading behavioral problems that was bothersome to me.
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You removed my first statement when you quoted me which did say that homeowners have a right to be informed. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I don't think the community shouldn't ask questions...they should.
It was her statements that stereotyped this population as virus infected, lice bearing, bedbug spreading behavioral problems that was bothersome to me.
I removed it b/c I feel the same so I wasn't addressing that part of it.
The other statements she made, I can understand people's concerns about what she said. But I don't think she is being clear about the concerns of the big picture with this situation and she lost people with that statement.
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Totally off the topic of the OP, but it came up in responses:
Can I ask, bc I wonder often, when I hear people call "racism" when they speak of lack of diversity in a neighborhood.
Why when a community is predominantly, if not all white, and people choose to live there, why is it racism. Yet, in other culturally dominated neighborhoods where the majority of which is one ethnic or cultural group, why is that never called racist?
I am honestly just curious, not saying one is wrong or one is right. I just dont understand how someone wanting to live in a neighbor with people similar to them makes them a racist and why that label doesnt apply in neighborhoods of other cultures?
Calling it classism I get, but I dont know if one equals racism.
Im just asking, not saying one way or the other, just curious on opinions.
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