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greenfreak
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
This is what the Newsday article says about the school's policy:
The Caves are locked in a long-running battle with East Meadow officials over whether John can bring the dog, Simba, to W. Tresper Clarke High School, where John attends ninth grade. School officials previously had told the family that John doesn't need the dog to attend classes. The Caves believe John and Simba must bond around the clock so that the dog can work most effectively as an assistance dog, trained to alert a deaf child to potential danger such as fire or smoke alarms and cars.
The Caves should obtain permission from the district's committee on special education before bringing the dog to school, East Meadow Superintendent Robert Dillon said Wednesday.
"There is a process, and there are protocols and we just wish that they would be followed," he said.
Reading it again, is it possible that they only told them to go to the committee after they had already said no? I don't know if that means that the parents weren't advised that there was a process in the first place - or any committee to get approval from.
I personally love these quotes though:
"We were sort of verbally accosted by the principal and the assistant principal," she said.
She admitted using vulgar language while talking to Principal Timothy Voels.
That sounds fishy. We were "sort of" harrassed. And she responded with vulgarities. It sounds like this is getting more heated than necessary. And that she was challenging them, by sending the boy to school, knowing full well that they had already told her not to.
Multiple sides to this story but the true victim of all this is the boy. 
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
I think that it is absurd! If a child needs the dog for medical reasons, there should be no questions asked!!!!
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MarisaK
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by Kissy331
I think that it is absurd! If a child needs the dog for medical reasons, there should be no questions asked!!!!
It is not absurd and there are plenty of questions to be asked - which is why the registration process is in place. This kid is not the ONLY kid the school ! - They have to protect and consider the well being of ALL of the students -
What about those kids that have severe animal allergies or asthma ??
I'm sure there are a multitude of precautions and preparations to consdier before allowing an animal into the school. And for the safety and well being of everyone involved, I'm sure part of the registration process is to verify the training and safety of the animal as well -
And - WHY wasn't this kid wearing his hearing aids ?? - He's not a baby, he's a Freshman in High School -
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june262004
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by MarisaK
Posted by Kissy331
I think that it is absurd! If a child needs the dog for medical reasons, there should be no questions asked!!!!
It is not absurd and there are plenty of questions to be asked - which is why the registration process is in place. This kid is not the ONLY kid the school ! - They have to protect and consider the well being of ALL of the students -
What about those kids that have severe animal allergies or asthma ??
I'm sure there are a multitude of precautions and preparations to consdier before allowing an animal into the school. And for the safety and well being of everyone involved, I'm sure part of the registration process is to verify the training and safety of the animal as well -
And - WHY wasn't this kid wearing his hearing aids ?? - He's not a baby, he's a Freshman in High School -
WOW...
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| Posted 1/4/07 12:23 PM |
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MarisaK
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by june262004
Posted by MarisaK
Posted by Kissy331
I think that it is absurd! If a child needs the dog for medical reasons, there should be no questions asked!!!!
It is not absurd and there are plenty of questions to be asked - which is why the registration process is in place. This kid is not the ONLY kid the school ! - They have to protect and consider the well being of ALL of the students -
What about those kids that have severe animal allergies or asthma ??
I'm sure there are a multitude of precautions and preparations to consdier before allowing an animal into the school. And for the safety and well being of everyone involved, I'm sure part of the registration process is to verify the training and safety of the animal as well -
And - WHY wasn't this kid wearing his hearing aids ?? - He's not a baby, he's a Freshman in High School -
WOW...
Wow what ? Am I being unreasonable ? I'm not saying it was right the principal to force this kid to stand outside in the cold, but for his mother to automatically start taking legal action when she failed to follow the proper procedure is wrong as well -
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june262004
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by MarisaK
Wow what ? Am I being unreasonable ? I'm not saying it was right the principal to force this kid to stand outside in the cold, but for his mother to automatically start taking legal action when she failed to follow the proper procedure is wrong as well -
Just Simmer don..  I felt like you were so MAD about this. Its just a discusion 
Anyone shopping in a store can have alergys and asthma and service dogs are able to go in there. And if the did go through the registration are they going to say no. Cause then they would be violating the ada
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MarisaK
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by june262004
Posted by MarisaK
Wow what ? Am I being unreasonable ? I'm not saying it was right the principal to force this kid to stand outside in the cold, but for his mother to automatically start taking legal action when she failed to follow the proper procedure is wrong as well -
Just Simmer don.. I felt like you were so MAD about this. Its just a discusion
Anyone shopping in a store can have alergys and asthma and service dogs are able to go in there. And if the did go through the registration are they going to say no. Cause then they would be violating the ada
I'm not mad at all - I just feel that it's not as simple as "The kid needs the dog, so the dog goes to the school with him" End of story - And I think it's irresponsible of the mother to put her child in that situation. If he's been imparied for most of his life, SHE should know by now what she needs to do for him so he won't be put in awkard situations such as this one. - So, yeah, maybe I'm a little mad at her for being an a$$ -
I understand service dogs are allowed everywhere, but a kid can easily avoid a dog in a store .. but how do you avoid it in a classroom ? - I'm not saying the dog shouldn't be there with the child, im saying the registration process is in place for a reason. - There are other children's 'needs' to consider in that school - Not just this one. - And if that dog caused some kid to end up in the hospital with an asthma attack because steps were not taken to help him avoid the dog, or the dog bit someone because the school did not properly verify his training, they would have a legitimate lawsuit on their hands. -
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nov04libride
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by Shellyesq
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Posted by june262004
I still think it's important for the dog to be in there with him. The dog needs training and needs to get use to different things. When he goes off to college he might not need the helpers if he has the dog.
I agree, but feel like the parents should own up to the fact that they didn't go about this the right way and stop trying to portray the school as being completely insensitive to the boy's needs.
I agree.
I agree. They deliberately went against policy that is in place for a reason. Whether or not the dog is necessary, they should have followed protocol.
Sounds like the parents are nuts. Cursing out the principal?! That helps get the point across. 
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Porrruss
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by MarisaK
I'm not mad at all - I just feel that it's not as simple as "The kid needs the dog, so the dog goes to the school with him" End of story - And I think it's irresponsible of the mother to put her child in that situation. If he's been imparied for most of his life, SHE should know by now what she needs to do for him so he won't be put in awkard situations such as this one. - So, yeah, maybe I'm a little mad at her for being an a$$ -
I understand service dogs are allowed everywhere, but a kid can easily avoid a dog in a store .. but how do you avoid it in a classroom ? - I'm not saying the dog shouldn't be there with the child, im saying the registration process is in place for a reason. - There are other children's 'needs' to consider in that school - Not just this one. - And if that dog caused some kid to end up in the hospital with an asthma attack because steps were not taken to help him avoid the dog, or the dog bit someone because the school did not properly verify his training, they would have a legitimate lawsuit on their hands. -
I agree completely. It sounds as if the parents didn't follow the correct protocol. If this child medically needs this dog- as per the ADA, the school must allow the dog in. The school is not allowed to decide what is and isn't medically necessary for this child to acheive academic success.
HOWEVER, it is the responsibility of the parent to follow the procedures of registering the animal with the schoolso proper provisions can be made- as the school IS responsible for the well-being of all faculty and students.
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| Posted 1/4/07 12:55 PM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Is the school only denying the dog access b/c the parents didn't follow protocol? Will the school allow the dog on school grounds if the parents followed the correct procedures?
I can see the school arguing that it doesn't have to provide this particular accommodation. It seems as though the only purpose of having the dog in school is to alert the student when the fire alarm goes off. If the school provides an adult who is responsible for the student during fire drills/fires (or some other accommodation), the dog isn't necessary. The school isn't required to provide every requested accommodation. It simply needs to provide a reasonable accommodation that addresses the issues.
I think this would be completely different if the student was blind and needed a seeing eye dog. I'm not sure how necessary this particular dog is, especially since the student has hearing implants.
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LFitzy79
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by MrsS2005
Is the school only denying the dog access b/c the parents didn't follow protocol? Will the school allow the dog on school grounds if the parents followed the correct procedures?
I can see the school arguing that it doesn't have to provide this particular accommodation. It seems as though the only purpose of having the dog in school is to alert the student when the fire alarm goes off. If the school provides an adult who is responsible for the student during fire drills/fires (or some other accommodation), the dog isn't necessary. The school isn't required to provide every requested accommodation. It simply needs to provide a reasonable accommodation that addresses the issues.
I think this would be completely different if the student was blind and needed a seeing eye dog. I'm not sure how necessary this particular dog is, especially since the student has hearing implants.
If the boy is going to have a service dog for his adult life, preparing for it during high school seems like a pretty good idea, I mean, there won't always be an aide around to tell him if there's a fire drill-what happens when he goes to college, what happens when he moves into his first apartment and the fire alarm goes off??? he has to know how the dog will alert him.....also, they don't adopt out service dogs without there being a necessity, the company that raised the dog would have verified his medical condition.
I think the mother was wrong to use vulgarities...and his parents should follow the proper procedures...however, to make a child wait outside for 30 minutes while they found a translator instead of writing down what they were saying is just wrong and petty. It's not the kids fault that his parents didn't follow proper procedure....not to mention that 30 minutes is almost a full period of class that this kid missed.
I understand the well being of other students is a factor, however as far as allergies go...these dogs aren't there to be pet or played with, so it really shouldn't be a factor....other kids shouldn't be coming in contact with pet dander....
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MrsS2005
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by LFitzy79
Posted by MrsS2005
Is the school only denying the dog access b/c the parents didn't follow protocol? Will the school allow the dog on school grounds if the parents followed the correct procedures?
I can see the school arguing that it doesn't have to provide this particular accommodation. It seems as though the only purpose of having the dog in school is to alert the student when the fire alarm goes off. If the school provides an adult who is responsible for the student during fire drills/fires (or some other accommodation), the dog isn't necessary. The school isn't required to provide every requested accommodation. It simply needs to provide a reasonable accommodation that addresses the issues.
I think this would be completely different if the student was blind and needed a seeing eye dog. I'm not sure how necessary this particular dog is, especially since the student has hearing implants.
If the boy is going to have a service dog for his adult life, preparing for it during high school seems like a pretty good idea, I mean, there won't always be an aide around to tell him if there's a fire drill-what happens when he goes to college, what happens when he moves into his first apartment and the fire alarm goes off??? he has to know how the dog will alert him.....also, they don't adopt out service dogs without there being a necessity, the company that raised the dog would have verified his medical condition.
I think the mother was wrong to use vulgarities...and his parents should follow the proper procedures...however, to make a child wait outside for 30 minutes while they found a translator instead of writing down what they were saying is just wrong and petty. It's not the kids fault that his parents didn't follow proper procedure....not to mention that 30 minutes is almost a full period of class that this kid missed.
I understand the well being of other students is a factor, however as far as allergies go...these dogs aren't there to be pet or played with, so it really shouldn't be a factor....other kids shouldn't be coming in contact with pet dander....
The school is not legally obligated to grant access to the dog b/c of how the dog may help the student in the future.
I don't doubt that the dog is necessary for the boy at some point, especially when he's in his home. However, if the school is providing other accommodations that address the student's hearing problems, I don't think the school is required to allow the dog in school. As I said earlier, if this were a seeing impairment issue, I think the school would be required to grant the dog access to school grounds.
I agree it was wrong of the school to make the student wait outside. It was also wrong of the parents to just send the student to school with the dog without checking with or notifying the school first.
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sasha96
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Also, this is happening in a district where this is the 3rd year the teachers are without a contract and a major dispute is going on. This is another dynamic between administrators, parents, the community, and school staff.
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curliegirl
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by june262004
I just don't get it. They showed a clip of the boy and the dog. The dog was perfect with comands. The mother mentioned how it's also important for john and simba to bond right now and get through everything together. It's against the law. I just don't understand its a SERVICE dog!
I also think it's good for the other students to learn about people with disabilities and service animals. How even though they are ADORABLE you can't touch them and stuff.
Kids these days NEED to learn about people who are different, cuz they aren't learning it at home (for the most part).
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
I am just wondering something from another response.....
Why didn't he have his hearing aids in? How is he going to learn if he can't hear? It's not like the dog can help him with that...
Maybe the parents did it on purpose? No flaming......just wondering...
And I do agree that the dog is needed at all times for them to bond....
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
The school is just covering their a$$. If they let a dog in w/out the proper protocal you know some other nut job parent is going to claim that the dog bit their child, or they had a severe athsma attack b/c of the dog. so then they will get sued by them.
and given the current contract issue, the administration doesn't seem to worry about anybody's a$$es but thier own.
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
I think there is WAY more to this story than what the paper said. Does anyone else think that this might be just one of those psycho parents that the school has had enough of?
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LightUpOurLife
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
I read in the newspaper when this was first talked about that the dog is new to the boy and that the parents wanted them to go to school together so they can "bond". They felt that they weren't bonding enough with the boy at school for the whole day, so that is why they want him to go with the dog.
I feel that is absurd!!!! As mentioned in a previous post, there are aides for this child at beck and call. There is no reason for a dog to be there. A dog wasn't needed for the first 9 years of school, why start now?
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
W T F is wrong with them
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Maathy317
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
Posted by MarisaK
Posted by Kissy331
I think that it is absurd! If a child needs the dog for medical reasons, there should be no questions asked!!!!
It is not absurd and there are plenty of questions to be asked - which is why the registration process is in place. This kid is not the ONLY kid the school ! - They have to protect and consider the well being of ALL of the students -
What about those kids that have severe animal allergies or asthma ??
I'm sure there are a multitude of precautions and preparations to consdier before allowing an animal into the school. And for the safety and well being of everyone involved, I'm sure part of the registration process is to verify the training and safety of the animal as well -
And - WHY wasn't this kid wearing his hearing aids ?? - He's not a baby, he's a Freshman in High School -
I have to agree with this poster. This is not the first time this boy has attended school. He has been dealing with his handicap his whole life and dealing with it in a school setting since Kindergarten. The district has provided him with all that he needs, as required by law, so he can be in a normal school setting. If he has functioned successfully in a school setting (including fire drills) with only hearing aids, it stands to reason that he can continue to function that way. Introducing an animal in a high school scenario, may not be the wisest thing to do. There are children who are severely allergic to animals and who may have medical complications if one is present. You need not come in contact with an animal to have an allergic reaction. There are, also, safety issues. I know these animals are well trained, but, it can become very chaotic in the halls of a high school. You see this dog acting placid in a very isolated setting. You don't know what any animal will do at any given time because they act on instinct. If any child becomes injured because of this animal, lawsuits will abound. I don't blame the district for being very cautious and I think the parents are being unreasonable.
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Re: high school expels hearing impaired dog...
I work in this district and was taking with my colleagues about this.... I think it was a question of following a procedure which I believe they didnt....
There are several kids in the district with cocliar implants like this child and they each would have to go through a process... Its for legalities.. I am not saying the child should NOT have the dog.
We have to go through a procedure just to have air conditioners put in our classroom for children with specific medical needs.
And YES, we dont have a contract, havent had one for three years.. And it is getting nasty...
Lets just say teachers are getting hate mail sent to them telling us we should all be fired.......
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