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Why does anyone care if two men want to get married? Why? Why is it anyone's business? Why should anyone be able to VOTE on who someone can spend their life with and be married to? Why would anyone want to prohibit two people who love each other from spending their lives together? What kind of person thinks they have the right to have a say?
My heart is aching for two of my closest friends who were planning their wedding. They're two wonderful, wonderful guys who are in love and work hard to make their relationship one of the best I know. They want nothing more than anyone else in life: happiness and to spend their lives with the one they love and to stand up infront of their families and commit to one another. I'm just sick that they can't do that anymore. They had the date planned and everything. I'm so angered. I'm so sad and so angered.

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I completely agree with you. No one has the right to deny them that. I'm so sorry for what your friends are going through. maybe one day we will become a compassionate and empathetic nation

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It is so true

My MIL and her gf have no rights at all.

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I completely agree.

I think about this alot, and for all of that thinking, i still seriously cannot fathom that, in this day and age, such a blatant disregard for civil liberties is so widely accepted.

I can understand and accept the church not condoning it- their beliefs are deeply rooted and centuries old. I disagree with it, but i understand. BUT, i don't see how the government could forbid it. I don't see what their basis is for this decision, nor do i understand how they can deem this acceptable.

Any argument against gay marriage that i've ever heard has been laughable at best. Especially those that claim that it would make a "mockery" out of marriage. Ummmmm, have you see what heterosexuals, as a whole, have done to the image of marriage?

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I totally agree

it makes me so sad to think that this is still going on in 2008

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Well, and that's exactly it, that I can see the church and other religious institutions not accepting it. That's fine. But are we not all equal? It's okay to discriminate based on sexual preference, but not on skin color or gender? How is that ok? How is it ok to say, "No, you can't have the same liberties as us because of who you love." HOW in the world is that ok?
As a mom, I can only hope that if my daughter grows up and tells me one day that she's a lesbian, that she'll be able to marry and have all the same liberties as anyone else. It's no one's damn business what goes on in someone else's bedroom and relationship, so long as no one is being abused.

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I agree...same sex marriage should have been legalized everywhere long ago....I am sorry for what your friends are going through....

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People are close minded and ignorant.

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I totally agree.

It makes me sick that in this day and age, people are still so afraid of gay people getting married.

And I agree with a PP about the reasons used for being anti-gay marriage. Every single one I've heard is nonsensical.

ETA: What are your friends going to do now? How terrible for them.

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I totally agree!
I think it is so sad.
I was raised Catholic and I just do not agree with their stance at all.
I am teaching my son tolerance for all people. The world would be such a nicer place.

I had a friend that I was close with in grammar school. We went to Catholic school together. My friend and his partner had a wedding planned for next October. I feel so bad for him.

There is a whole thing on Facebook that has the companies and people who donated money to have this passed. They are trying to boycott those businesses.

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I agree Rachel... but I am still convinced that Prop 8 failed because people didn't understand. I think some people voted "Yes" thinking they were voting yes to gay unions.

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Unfortunately, we are a Religious State. As much as we claim to separate Church from State, in reality, they are quite blurred.

"Marriage is between a man and a woman" is in the bible. I'll agree with that. That means it's the Christian CHURCH'S belief. My sister and BIL got married by a Justice of the Peace. Purely secular, absolutely no church involved. That means that marriage is NOT a religious institution. It is a secular contract between two adults. The church can wrap their own rules and beliefs around their version, but they can't destroy the sanctity of the government contract between two people.

Keep church out of the government....

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neenie


I completely agree.

I think about this alot, and for all of that thinking, i still seriously cannot fathom that, in this day and age, such a blatant disregard for civil liberties is so widely accepted.

I can understand and accept the church not condoning it- their beliefs are deeply rooted and centuries old. I disagree with it, but i understand. BUT, i don't see how the government could forbid it. I don't see what their basis is for this decision, nor do i understand how they can deem this acceptable.

Any argument against gay marriage that i've ever heard has been laughable at best. Especially those that claim that it would make a "mockery" out of marriage. Ummmmm, have you see what heterosexuals, as a whole, have done to the image of marriage?

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I agree Rachel... but I am still convinced that Prop 8 failed because people didn't understand. I think some people voted "Yes" thinking they were voting yes to gay unions.

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I agree with both points. For Neenie's post, you are spot on. And it's just fear. I'm sure a LOT of people think homosexuality is like a plague and it spreads. They can't see past their own ignorange, fear and hate to see actual love.

To Jeanine's comment, YES...I think it was misunderstood due to the wording.

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I totally agree with everyone. I do not understand why this is even such an issue for some. To me, marriage is between two people who love each other, not necessarily a man and a woman.

Here in VA we had a similar bill to Prop 8 1 or 2 years ago. The wording also made it confusing. I can definitely see many people voting against gay marriage when they meant to vote for.

I just hope that in the coming years, people look back and wonder how so many people were against it.

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I agree with you- it is crazy to me!

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I agree with you.

Sorry for your friends

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I agree with you!

I hope that your friends will soon be able to get married.....and i hope it will be a wondeful day when they do!

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I am so sorry for your friends. From a religious standpoint, I can understand that marriage is between a man and a woman. If two men want to get married outside of a religious venue....it makes absolutely no sense for them not to have that right.

I am very close with quite a few gay couples and can honestly say that they are the most caring and committed people I have ever met. They deserve to be married far more than a few "straight" couples I know.

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I completely agree with you!!!!!!!!!!! I dont understand how its anyone elses business!!!!

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This is a tremendous source of frustration, anger and bitternness for me. We think, as a Country, that we've come so far because of equal rights for women and minorities, and for god's sake, we have our first african american president. And yet, we all seem to ignore this HUGE HUGE HUGE elephant walking around the room around us, everyday, that SHOULD remind each and every one of us that we are behaving as deplorably as our ancestors did when they refused to recognize women and african americans as EQUAL CITIZENS. There is simply NO excuse, under the law, under religion, under any moral principle or value, to justify treating ANYONE as less of a human being, with less rights than anyone else.

I understand, that, for religious and other reasons other people don't "agree" with a homosexual lifestyle, and may even go so far as to claim it's a sin. But, the beauty of this country is that they are entitled to that opinion, just as any racist is entitled to have their opinion, but it does NOT mean that anyone, even a majority, should be able to impose that opinion and judgement on an entire class of persons to create such a deplorable inequity.

I've said it before - I can understand why people become so fanatic about other important issues, like abortion, because that directly, physically impacts another human being. But coexisting with married homosexuals does NOT make such a direct impact, in fact, it does not, and should not, affect how you or anyone else lives their lives, so sexual preference does not have the same kind of meaningful impact on our laws.

Rach, I understand how you feel, I really do

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I will be the one here voicing that I do not believe in gay marriages. I believe marriage is a religious sacrament.

BUT I do believe that we should have a 3rd status such a "domestic partner" with the same rights to inheritance, health proxy, health benefits just like a "married" couple would have.

That does not make me "stupid" because I don't believe in it. This is MY belief of what marriage is.

I would also extend the concept of domestic partners to not only gay people but also heterosexual couples who do not want to get married to have such status and benefits.

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