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heidla
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
I could write a long response on this topic, but instead I'll post this and say that I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Olbermann.
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charon54
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by smdl
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Posted by smdl
I will be the one here voicing that I do not believe in gay marriages. I believe marriage is a religious sacrament.
BUT I do believe that we should have a 3rd status such a "domestic partner" with the same rights to inheritance, health proxy, health benefits just like a "married" couple would have.
That does not make me "stupid" because I don't believe in it. This is MY belief of what marriage is.
I would also extend the concept of domestic partners to not only gay people but also heterosexual couples who do not want to get married to have such status and benefits.
Not to get into the argument about gay marriage, but as someone who doesn't believe in religion (I was not raised with it, and my DH doesn't practice), would you deny me the right to marriage?
Read my answers on page 2. I am not going to answer every poster who question me. Thank you!
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be argumentative. I am taking a business ethics class right now and I am used to questioning people's assumptions. I really was curious as to your view, not saying that it was right or wrong.
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| Posted 11/11/08 1:48 PM |
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LIMOMx2
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
I used to care if it was called marriage but now I could careless. I just want everyone to be happy and be able to have all the same rights as heterosexuals do.
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| Posted 11/11/08 2:22 PM |
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seaside
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
My take is that if we're going to allow idealized, religious views of what "marriage" should be dictate our legal definitions, we're gonna have really legislate into people's bedrooms: no marrying for money/gold digging, or convenience (not much better than prostitution-no?) etc. etc. etc. No "swinging" or open marriagesThe point is, we can't do this. "Marriage" as it is currently defined, currently allows for all kinds of motives and behavior that certain religious folks find immoral or antithetical to the Bible. This is a fact.
Now my opinion: We cannot and should not legislate such private things. I also personally believe that gay people deserve every right and privilege that straight people get. Separate but "equal" is NOT, as we learned in high school civics, equal.
But no matter what you think of my opinion, my first paragraph is a fact.
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MILF2008
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by seaside
My take is that if we're going to allow idealized, religious views of what "marriage" should be dictate our legal definitions, we're gonna have really legislate into people's bedrooms: no marrying for money/gold digging, or convenience (not much better than prostitution-no?) etc. etc. etc. No "swinging" or open marriagesThe point is, we can't do this. "Marriage" as it is currently defined, currently allows for all kinds of motives and behavior that certain religious folks find immoral or antithetical to the Bible. This is a fact.
Now my opinion: We cannot and should not legislate such private things. I also personally believe that gay people deserve every right and privilege that straight people get. Separate but "equal" is NOT, as we learned in high school civics, equal.
But no matter what you think of my opinion, my first paragraph is a fact.
 I agree with you 100%!
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| Posted 11/11/08 2:34 PM |
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Lanabean
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
i think it's so sad, too. what matters is that two people are in love and want to commit their lives to one another.
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| Posted 11/11/08 2:52 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
I truly beleive that this will turn around in our lifetime.
It was only in the 40's and 50's when interracial couples were allowed to marry. Now, its such a foreign concept- laws restricting interracial marriage. It will come, but its sad that today is not that day.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:28 PM |
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JessInCA
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by Shelly
I truly beleive that this will turn around in our lifetime.
It was only in the 40's and 50's when interracial couples were allowed to marry. Now, its such a foreign concept- laws restricting interracial marriage. It will come, but its sad that today is not that day.
I really hope you're right. My heart broke when they announced that Prop 8 passed, because I do think of it in terms of what that means for actual people, like Rachel's friends and so many others, and I don't think it's any different than the race-based discrimination that used to go on.
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by heidla
I could write a long response on this topic, but instead I'll post this and say that I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Olbermann.
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That was very well said
As I said in an earlier post, I truely believe that years from now our children and grandchildren look at us and wonder how was there ever a time that people were so against two people getting married based on their gender.
Much like I wonder now how there was ever a time that it was illeagle that people for people to marry based on race (1967, even, according to Olbermann).
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:42 PM |
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angnick
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by 5ofClubs
I used to care if it was called marriage but now I could careless. I just want everyone to be happy and be able to have all the same rights as heterosexuals do.
ITA!!
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MrsPorkChop
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
i dont get why its even a political issue at all
they should let whomever marry whomever...
its so stupid that it is at all involved in politics
i feel for your friends, rachel
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| Posted 11/11/08 4:46 PM |
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MrsK914
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
I completely agree! No one should delegate how other people structure their lives. They should be given the same rights as us all!
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CkGm
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
I live in California and voted no on Prop 8 yet live next door and have several neighbors who were pro- Prop 8. One of them had the nerve to tell me that I should be really concerned since they will be teaching my DD about gay marriage in school. Ummm.. who gives a crap? This is the same person who also was married and divorced so who the hell are you to judge ANYONE who wants to marry and what makes it traditional.
The night of the election I was so overwhelmed by the Obama speech and all that happened but could not enjoy a moment once they posed the Prop 8 results. I was so sad I started to cry.
This whole situation makes me want to throw up, scream and cry. One of my friends on her Facebook page posted, **** is wondering if she is still married (since she and her girlfriend married under our old law when it was legal.) No one should have to feel this way.
I am so sorry for your friend and anyone else out there who is being told that they cannot marry. It is so wrong and makes me so angry. 
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CkGm
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by rojerono
I agree Rachel... but I am still convinced that Prop 8 failed because people didn't understand. I think some people voted "Yes" thinking they were voting yes to gay unions.
Unfortunately, I believe this is true as well. It was very misleading on the ballot if you were not really aware of the issue.
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CkGm
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Posted by BigB
Posted by rojerono
I agree Rachel... but I am still convinced that Prop 8 failed because people didn't understand. I think some people voted "Yes" thinking they were voting yes to gay unions.
There has also been specutlation that CA had the largest minority vote in history and Prop 8 passed.
I think it is intersting how different racial groups handle being gay. As a teacher, I see first hand how different families handle their children coming out.
Now, I am NOT saying that this is for ALL people but there are common trends.
Amongst my hispanic students parents really loose it. They have very strong ties to their religion and really believe that their children will burn in hell. Often times the children are thrown out of the house. It is really very sad.
Now, my African-American students who come out have families that don't even want to admit they have a gay child. I had one parent even tell me that her son was disgusting and dead to her. Her son went to live on the streets and became a prostitute. My students have even admitted to supporting living on the DL because of how their families would react.
I think the caucasian families have just had a longer time to process (historically speaking) and although they may not support their child at first, they usually come around.
Could there be a link between race and Prop 8, I totally believe there is.
They did bring this up on NPR as one of the reasons why Prop 8 passed. An African-American gay rights activist actually said having Obama running at the same time as this Prop hurt the cause since African-Americans from many different church groups united together on both.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
I personally don't care if gays get married. I went to a commitment ceremony years ago between 2 men at a gay club in the city. the union/commitment didn't last more than a few months, but I thought it was so great that they did it.
Our of sheer curiosity, I looked up places where gays can marry. here's the list (globally):
Canada - In December 2004, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriages are constitutional.
Netherlands (Holland) - has full marriage and registered partnership rights for same sex or opposite sex couples.
Belgium - in 2003 became the second country in the world to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. Since 2006, gay and lesbian couples have been allowed to adopt children.
Spain - voted in June 2005 to extend full marriage rights to gay and lesbian citizens.
South Africa - legalized gay marriage on November 30th, 2006.
Massachusetts - On May 17th, 2004, Massachusetts began marrying gay and lesbian couples. At this point, only residents of Massachusetts and states that allow gay marriage are allowed to marry there.
pretty short list. I am very surprised. it's only legal in 5 countries and 1 state in the US.
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BunnyWife
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
Very interesting list. I'm very surprised too. Thanks for posting
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| Posted 11/11/08 8:29 PM |
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Posted by stephaniea
People are close minded and ignorant.
This is uncalled for.....I am not closed minded or ignorant, but I do have my own belief's that others may not like including my gay brother, but they are just that MY belief's.....Racheal i'm sorry your friends are going through this and that you are also suffering. Just because people may differ on opinions doesn't mean they can't agree that seeing a friend hurting is horrible
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CaseyGirl
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Re: I need to vent about something that has me in tears.
My personal opinion is that they should be allowed to legally marry and share the same partnership rights etc. But as far as the church goes (and I am only referring to Catholic bc that is what I am) , I believe that is sacred to a man and a woman and I am taking that literally from the Bible. But that's my belief.
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