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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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I understand your outrage, but that's a very slippery slope.
Read past posts these boards. There are lots of posters who have had or know someone who has had depression and anxiety issues to a dangerous point.
To say that ANYONE who has been in a mental institution or has had mental issues needs to be locked up is like saying no one ever recovers from that, when LOTS of people do.
I do not think that everyone who has mental issues should be locked up. I think that anyone shown to be a danger to others should be kept away from law-abiding, innocent citizens, who have rights of their own.
But what do you want mental institutions to do? There is no room to keep everyone indefinitely. As Jax said, mental institutions are a short-term fix to counsel and regulate medications so the person can be released as no longer a danger. At that time, 5 years ago or whatever, he was released because he was no longer suicidal or a threat.
We are surrounded by danger. Someone can kill me at any time...In your home, in class...Look at the Amish shootings--in a society where they do everything they can to separate themselves from violence, a shooter still came in and shot students. There is no way to protect ourselves from every possible danger. And on a campus of over 25,000 students, there is no way to know who is a ticking time bomb.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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Posted by leighla
I understand your outrage, but that's a very slippery slope.
Read past posts these boards. There are lots of posters who have had or know someone who has had depression and anxiety issues to a dangerous point.
To say that ANYONE who has been in a mental institution or has had mental issues needs to be locked up is like saying no one ever recovers from that, when LOTS of people do.
I do not think that everyone who has mental issues should be locked up. I think that anyone shown to be a danger to others should be kept away from law-abiding, innocent citizens, who have rights of their own.
I didn't see his admit or discharge information, but some people have "up" and "down" episodes. he could have been admitted during some sort of psychotic episode, and once it passed and he was better, he was released. which is quite normal.
it just so happens that this kid had a past history of psychological disturbance.
in 1966 in Texas, the shooter at the university there (his name escapes me right now) "snapped" suddenly and killed his wife and mother before killing i think 12 people by shooting from the bell tower of the school.
it was later found he had developed a brain tumor, and was thought perhaps that was why he suddenly became murderous and suicidal.
my point is, sometimes it comes on you...it doesn't always show itself ahead of the violence...
in these cases, who can you blame then?
it goes back to...no weapon, no death.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
I don't agree with it, but I can see why people want to feel like we should have recognized symptoms--it gives the illusion that next time we can stop something like this from happening, and the reality is that we can't. If he wanted to murder, he could have done it with a homemade bomb, a knife, poison, whatever. If it makes people feel more safe and secure to think we can make changes to protect ourselves, fine, but I don't think it is true. I do think there should be more strict gun laws, but I think if a murderer wants to murder he will find a way.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
Posted by nov04libride
There is no way to protect ourselves from every possible danger. And on a campus of over 25,000 students, there is no way to know who is a ticking time bomb.
If you had a gun, you could protect yourself. 
And in this case, many people did consider Cho a "ticking timebomb".
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
Posted by Ophelia
Okaayyyy...so your "solution" to this problem is, rather than remove lethal weapons from the hands of people, to lock up all of the mentally disturbed people in the US that are found to be potential threats to themself and to others?
so, you'd throw out the ENTIRE bill of rights, rather than adjusting our constitution in ONE instance, to fit the changing needs of our society?
interesting.
As much as I am trying to stay away from this bit, I have to interject here. I do not believe that we need to change the "right to bear arms" part. I think that in our area, guns are seen in a totally different way than in other parts of the country. Since the ammendments are for all of America, and not just metropolitan areas, there needs to be a balance.
Having said that, I see no reason why gun manufacturers are allowed to produce 300 - 500% MORE weapons per year than the natural market demand is calling for. It makes it too easy for contra-ban. I do know that this particular case, as well as the Colin Ferguson case had the shooters buying the hand guns legally. THIS is where I think the laws need to be changed. BOTH shooters (from what I recall) had incidents of Mental Illness that were on record, however because of a technicality in the law they still qualified for the purchase of their guns. Becuase the shooter did not spend 5 days in a facility, he was eligible to purchase the guns legally in the state of Virginia. How about anyone with a notation...even a pencil mark noting that they were investigated as being a danger to themselves or others be subject to further review BEFORE being made eligible to purchase a gun? Why the 5 days treatment as a guide...it seems so arbirtary...
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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There is no way to protect ourselves from every possible danger. And on a campus of over 25,000 students, there is no way to know who is a ticking time bomb.
If you had a gun, you could protect yourself.
And in this case, many people did consider Cho a "ticking timebomb".
Are you serious? The solution is to allow every student to arm himself with a gun? Are you aware that in homes who have a gun shootings are 5 times more likely?
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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Okaayyyy...so your "solution" to this problem is, rather than remove lethal weapons from the hands of people, to lock up all of the mentally disturbed people in the US that are found to be potential threats to themself and to others?
so, you'd throw out the ENTIRE bill of rights, rather than adjusting our constitution in ONE instance, to fit the changing needs of our society?
interesting.
As much as I am trying to stay away from this bit, I have to interject here. I do not believe that we need to change the "right to bear arms" part. I think that in our area, guns are seen in a totally different way than in other parts of the country. Since the ammendments are for all of America, and not just metropolitan areas, there needs to be a balance.
what part of the United States does not have some kind of police force/sheriff's department and/or a supermarket.
where are they still hunting and gathering for the survivial of their families?
I have to disagree with you.
I think in other parts of the country people hunt, for the meat, but for sport as well.
I think gun control laws can be severely curtailed. I don't think that Americans need this right.
My cousin lives in ALASKA, and does not own nor feels the need to own a gun.
when the constitution was written, guns were a means of survival and protection. that is no longer the case.
the need is obsolete...unless perhaps you own/work a ranch. perhaps there could be certain exceptions, but the rule must change.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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There is no way to protect ourselves from every possible danger. And on a campus of over 25,000 students, there is no way to know who is a ticking time bomb.
If you had a gun, you could protect yourself.
And in this case, many people did consider Cho a "ticking timebomb".
Are you serious? The solution is to allow every student to arm himself with a gun? Are you aware that in homes who have a gun shootings are 5 times more likely?
Relax. I'm just offering another point of view. No I do not think every student should have a gun. I also think that the law should be stricter in regards to who should be allowed to buy a gun. Namely, if you've been in a mental institution, even for 5 minutes, you should not be able to walk into a store and walk out 10 minutes later with a gun. There should be more thorough background checks and a bit of a waiting period.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
I think, those that chose to be interviewd, want thie killers family to know what their son took from them.
all the coverage of the killer is awful. i hate that they are playing into this guys horrible, horrible actions.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
I don't necessarily want to see them grieve and stay away from the news coverage, however, I guess that this is one of the ways in which the families are coping with their losses.
As for delving into his life, his family - people want to understand. It's inconceivable that someone would do what he did and people want to know the why and how. I hope that whatever they uncover, that search for understanding leads to somehow preventing anything like this from happening again.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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Okaayyyy...so your "solution" to this problem is, rather than remove lethal weapons from the hands of people, to lock up all of the mentally disturbed people in the US that are found to be potential threats to themself and to others?
so, you'd throw out the ENTIRE bill of rights, rather than adjusting our constitution in ONE instance, to fit the changing needs of our society?
interesting.
As much as I am trying to stay away from this bit, I have to interject here. I do not believe that we need to change the "right to bear arms" part. I think that in our area, guns are seen in a totally different way than in other parts of the country. Since the ammendments are for all of America, and not just metropolitan areas, there needs to be a balance.
what part of the United States does not have some kind of police force/sheriff's department and/or a supermarket.
where are they still hunting and gathering for the survivial of their families?
I have to disagree with you.
I think in other parts of the country people hunt, for the meat, but for sport as well.
I think gun control laws can be severely curtailed. I don't think that Americans need this right.
My cousin lives in ALASKA, and does not own nor feels the need to own a gun.
when the constitution was written, guns were a means of survival and protection. that is no longer the case.
the need is obsolete...unless perhaps you own/work a ranch. perhaps there could be certain exceptions, but the rule must change.
Hunting is a big part of a lot of America. And I was not referring only to hunting (as sort or as a food source). For example, my friend moved to AZ. They live in a pretty unpopulated area, and they have a Coyote "issue." Some of the Coyote are rather bold & will approach the houses, of course creating a danger. They have on more than one occassion, had to shoot a charging Coyote that wanted to come into their house for food, shelter etc.
Even when I used to go to my house upstate, we had a "bear issue" a few summers back. The mountain was being blasted abtou 20 miles from the town where we had our house & they were coming into the town & even into people's houses. Bear are scary & quite aggressive by nature, and good luck out running one....
I think there are viable exceptions (not many, but viable ones nonetheless). What I do not get is why a 19 year old kid can justify the purchase of 2 handguns...it just does not make sense to me.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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Okaayyyy...so your "solution" to this problem is, rather than remove lethal weapons from the hands of people, to lock up all of the mentally disturbed people in the US that are found to be potential threats to themself and to others?
so, you'd throw out the ENTIRE bill of rights, rather than adjusting our constitution in ONE instance, to fit the changing needs of our society?
interesting.
As much as I am trying to stay away from this bit, I have to interject here. I do not believe that we need to change the "right to bear arms" part. I think that in our area, guns are seen in a totally different way than in other parts of the country. Since the ammendments are for all of America, and not just metropolitan areas, there needs to be a balance.
what part of the United States does not have some kind of police force/sheriff's department and/or a supermarket.
where are they still hunting and gathering for the survivial of their families?
I have to disagree with you.
I think in other parts of the country people hunt, for the meat, but for sport as well.
I think gun control laws can be severely curtailed. I don't think that Americans need this right.
My cousin lives in ALASKA, and does not own nor feels the need to own a gun.
when the constitution was written, guns were a means of survival and protection. that is no longer the case.
the need is obsolete...unless perhaps you own/work a ranch. perhaps there could be certain exceptions, but the rule must change.
Hunting is a big part of a lot of America. And I was not referring only to hunting (as sort or as a food source). For example, my friend moved to AZ. They live in a pretty unpopulated area, and they have a Coyote "issue." Some of the Coyote are rather bold & will approach the houses, of course creating a danger. They have on more than one occassion, had to shoot a charging Coyote that wanted to come into their house for food, shelter etc.
Even when I used to go to my house upstate, we had a "bear issue" a few summers back. The mountain was being blasted abtou 20 miles from the town where we had our house & they were coming into the town & even into people's houses. Bear are scary & quite aggressive by nature, and good luck out running one....
I think there are viable exceptions (not many, but viable ones nonetheless). What I do not get is why a 19 year old kid can justify the purchase of 2 handguns...it just does not make sense to me.
hunting is still "sport" and I won't feel badly for the people that hunt if they were forced to hang up their shotties.
as for rural areas and protection of the home, I do see your point. (and I completely understand the coyote issue, I had one myself in AZ) perhaps there could be exceptions ot the rule...but most certainly there is NO need in the USA for handguns. Nope. none whatsoever.
sadly, it's money. Smith & wesson and all the others are camped out in Washington.
yeah, I'd be happy with the eradication of handguns being sold in this country, if nothing else.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
I just want to mention that there is a very big difference between a hunting rifle and a semi-automatic weapon, such as those used by Cho. Maybe future gun laws should take these differences into account.
(My gun knowledge is very limited, so if these diffierences in laws already exist, I apologize)
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
yeah, I'd be happy with the eradication of handguns being sold in this country, if nothing else.
this will just lead to weapons being sold on the black market - and its my constitutional right to protect myself and my property with a firearm.
I do think there should be stricter gun laws. someone should not be able to walk into K-Martwith a cc and license and walk out with a gun. 
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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and its my constitutional right to protect myself and my property with a firearm.
I do think there should be stricter gun laws. someone should not be able to walk into K-Martwith a cc and license and walk out with a gun.
I know it's your constiutional right. I am saying it shouldn't be.
that's what you pay taxes to your town for. to pay the police to do it for you.
do you know the stastics of people who own a gun to "protect" themselves and their property with a firearm?
it does far more harm than good to own a firearm during a break in.
that if you want to protect your "right" to bear a firearm, Walmart and a credit card is exactly what you will get.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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hunting is still "sport" and I won't feel badly for the people that hunt if they were forced to hang up their shotties.
Not all hunting is for sport. There are some very remote places in the US that it is actually more convenient to trap, hunt & fish for your own food rather than drive an hour to a store....
sadly, it's money. Smith & wesson and all the others are camped out in Washington.
ITA agree. 
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
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and its my constitutional right to protect myself and my property with a firearm.
I do think there should be stricter gun laws. someone should not be able to walk into K-Martwith a cc and license and walk out with a gun.
I know it's your constiutional right. I am saying it shouldn't be.
that's what you pay taxes to your town for. to pay the police to do it for you.
do you know the stastics of people who own a gun to "protect" themselves and their property with a firearm?
it does far more harm than good to own a firearm during a break in.
that if you want to protect your "right" to bear a firearm, Walmart and a credit card is exactly what you will get.
how about addressing what I said about people obtaining the firearms illegally? do you think that stopping selling firearms is going to stop people from owning guns?
how does it do more harm than good to own a firearm during a break in? Should I wait for the poliece, like they did at VaTech?
and no i dont know the stastics of people who own a gun to "protect" themselves and their property with a firearm. but if you do id like to hear it.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
Posted by Ophelia
on the VA shooting.
Why are they interviewing all of the victims parents? I think Wolf Blitzer and every other anchor looks and sounds OBSURD asking a mourning parent/relative/friend How they are doing? etc.
why, as a people, do we want to see their grief?
and, why now, are we looking so closely at the perpetrator...trying to figure out the why's...and the Oh, we should have known he was a time bomb b/c of A, B, & C.
the same thing was done after Columbine...and nothing has changed.
what good does it do delving into his life..the life of his victims? or rather, what good can come out of it?
it is heartbreaking...DEFINITELY. but all of this hoopla will not stop this from happening again.
the focus, IMO, should not be "why did this kid snap" there will be people that snap as long as there are people...
the idea should be to not have weapons of mass murder available to these kids. to people.
If ever the Constitution needed to be changed, my vote is for the "right to bear arms" we have a right to be protected with arms, but wehave surrogates for that now (police dept, national guard, military)
we are no longer defenders of our "keep" and you can buy fresh meat at Pathmark.
I think it is obscene that this kid walked into a store and walked out with a gun.
Because people watch it. If people didn't watch it, then it wouldn't be on the news -- because the news stations wouldn't be able to sell enough advertising time.
As for the parents' interviews, no one is forcing them to do an interview...
As for all the stuff on the killer, to a certain extent, experts will tell you it helps with closure... People are struggling to understand the whys... The problem is that even once we understand the whys, we aren't doing enough in our society to save people from falling into the same trap.
Fox News, btw, is refusing to show the videotape of the killer anymore.
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Re: I want to ask a question re: all of the press coverage
Posted by Meaghan729
how about addressing what I said about people obtaining the firearms illegally?
sorry sweetie, I'll do that right now.
I think that if production of handguns (besdie for law enforcement purposes) was outlawed, as well as importation, they'd be harder to find and way more expensive, so it would be less than it is now.
but like with all things illegal (drugs, prostitution) we will never be able to completely remove them from the black market....but it's a step in the right direction.
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how about addressing what I said about people obtaining the firearms illegally? do you think that stopping selling firearms is going to stop people from owning guns?
how does it do more harm than good to own a firearm during a break in? Should I wait for the poliece, like they did at VaTech?
and no i dont know the stastics of people who own a gun to "protect" themselves and their property with a firearm. but if you do id like to hear it.
I'd love to provide you with some, but not right now. I am trying to get to the gym.
but i am sure other girls on here know what I am talking about
you are more likely to shoot a family member, or be shot with your own gun than you are to shoot someone breaking in to your home.
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