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poll is getting real close. There must be a lot of uneducated racists on these forums.

Re: If the election was today?

I'm voting Gary Johnson.

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Posted by jamnmore

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ChilisWife

I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.

See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.

8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?

And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.

So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.

I completely agree.

There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.

This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.

You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.

Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.

To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.

Please look into color blindness and racism.

"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."

It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.

The rules keep changing Liz
Colorblindness was taught growing up. To see everyone as an equal and not to judge based on looks (be it skin color, different features, disabilities, religious dress, etc)

Now according to what you just stated, being colorblind is a BAD thing because you're denying others bad experience? It is mind boggling

This is where I just can't get on board. Because I DONT see someone as their race, I'm demeaning their way of life. If I DO see someone as their race, im a bigot.
And according to some, unless I agree to conform to believe what you just stated - I'm just a WP racist who is part of the problem.

Holy hell already

I'm trying to type up a reply but Lila is going nuts right now and keeps knocking my phone out of my hand lol.

It goes a bit deeper than what you've described. I'm pretty new to learning all about this so bear with me. If you're open to learning more about color blindness as a racist ideology, I'll share some links that I've read which I believe explain it better than I could.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism

I appreciate you trying to explain by giving me the links, but I got 1/2 way through the first one and couldn't go further. The fact that saying your color blind is the new "I don't have a racist bone in my body", is to me, asinine. With anything, you can say it goes further than that. Maybe your choice is to learn more about these new findings, but it isn't mine. I'll continue to believe that if we all see each other as humans and nothing different, eventually, it will catch on. It doesn't make me ignorant, racist, live in a bubble, etc. It just means that I personally don't believe it goes further than that.

I really don't want to argue with you but what you just said is the definition of ignorance. You're choosing to not educate yourself. How can we as a society, put an end to racism when people refuse to learn and continue to be complicit?

you don't want to argue with me but then in the next breath you say what I wrote is the definition of ignorance.
I am not choosing to NOT educate myself, I've heard this through other mediums and I STILL do not agree with it. I got thru a bit of what you sent and I threw up a little in my mouth to be completely honest. Your choice to believe in this. My choice not to. Wow - that's insane. You sending me links to your everything is racist beliefs, is not the only view on the subject.

2 peas i swear

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Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by jamnmore

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ChilisWife

I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.

See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.

8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?

And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.

So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.

I completely agree.

There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.

This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.

You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.

Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.

To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.

Please look into color blindness and racism.

"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."

It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.

The rules keep changing Liz
Colorblindness was taught growing up. To see everyone as an equal and not to judge based on looks (be it skin color, different features, disabilities, religious dress, etc)

Now according to what you just stated, being colorblind is a BAD thing because you're denying others bad experience? It is mind boggling

This is where I just can't get on board. Because I DONT see someone as their race, I'm demeaning their way of life. If I DO see someone as their race, im a bigot.
And according to some, unless I agree to conform to believe what you just stated - I'm just a WP racist who is part of the problem.

Holy hell already

I'm trying to type up a reply but Lila is going nuts right now and keeps knocking my phone out of my hand lol.

It goes a bit deeper than what you've described. I'm pretty new to learning all about this so bear with me. If you're open to learning more about color blindness as a racist ideology, I'll share some links that I've read which I believe explain it better than I could.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism

I appreciate you trying to explain by giving me the links, but I got 1/2 way through the first one and couldn't go further. The fact that saying your color blind is the new "I don't have a racist bone in my body", is to me, asinine. With anything, you can say it goes further than that. Maybe your choice is to learn more about these new findings, but it isn't mine. I'll continue to believe that if we all see each other as humans and nothing different, eventually, it will catch on. It doesn't make me ignorant, racist, live in a bubble, etc. It just means that I personally don't believe it goes further than that.

I really don't want to argue with you but what you just said is the definition of ignorance. You're choosing to not educate yourself. How can we as a society, put an end to racism when people refuse to learn and continue to be complicit?

you don't want to argue with me but then in the next breath you say what I wrote is the definition of ignorance.
I am not choosing to NOT educate myself, I've heard this through other mediums and I STILL do not agree with it. I got thru a bit of what you sent and I threw up a little in my mouth to be completely honest. Your choice to believe in this. My choice not to. Wow - that's insane. You sending me links to your everything is racist beliefs, is not the only view on the subject.

2 peas i swear

All I did is point out the hypocrisy in your post.

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Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by jamnmore

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ChilisWife

I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.

See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.

8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?

And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.

So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.

I completely agree.

There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.

This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.

You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.

Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.

To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.

Please look into color blindness and racism.

"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."

It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.

The rules keep changing Liz
Colorblindness was taught growing up. To see everyone as an equal and not to judge based on looks (be it skin color, different features, disabilities, religious dress, etc)

Now according to what you just stated, being colorblind is a BAD thing because you're denying others bad experience? It is mind boggling

This is where I just can't get on board. Because I DONT see someone as their race, I'm demeaning their way of life. If I DO see someone as their race, im a bigot.
And according to some, unless I agree to conform to believe what you just stated - I'm just a WP racist who is part of the problem.

Holy hell already

I'm trying to type up a reply but Lila is going nuts right now and keeps knocking my phone out of my hand lol.

It goes a bit deeper than what you've described. I'm pretty new to learning all about this so bear with me. If you're open to learning more about color blindness as a racist ideology, I'll share some links that I've read which I believe explain it better than I could.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism

I appreciate you trying to explain by giving me the links, but I got 1/2 way through the first one and couldn't go further. The fact that saying your color blind is the new "I don't have a racist bone in my body", is to me, asinine. With anything, you can say it goes further than that. Maybe your choice is to learn more about these new findings, but it isn't mine. I'll continue to believe that if we all see each other as humans and nothing different, eventually, it will catch on. It doesn't make me ignorant, racist, live in a bubble, etc. It just means that I personally don't believe it goes further than that.

I really don't want to argue with you but what you just said is the definition of ignorance. You're choosing to not educate yourself. How can we as a society, put an end to racism when people refuse to learn and continue to be complicit?

you don't want to argue with me but then in the next breath you say what I wrote is the definition of ignorance.
I am not choosing to NOT educate myself, I've heard this through other mediums and I STILL do not agree with it. I got thru a bit of what you sent and I threw up a little in my mouth to be completely honest. Your choice to believe in this. My choice not to. Wow - that's insane. You sending me links to your everything is racist beliefs, is not the only view on the subject.

2 peas i swear

All I did is point out the hypocrisy in your post.

Ok Liz.

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If the election was today?

I dislike HRC tremendously but she's got my vote over him.

Never, ever, ever Trump.

Message edited 7/28/2016 4:32:46 PM.

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Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by jamnmore

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by ChilisWife

I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.

See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.

8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?

And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.

So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.

I completely agree.

There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.

This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.

You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.

Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.

To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.

Please look into color blindness and racism.

"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."

It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.

The rules keep changing Liz
Colorblindness was taught growing up. To see everyone as an equal and not to judge based on looks (be it skin color, different features, disabilities, religious dress, etc)

Now according to what you just stated, being colorblind is a BAD thing because you're denying others bad experience? It is mind boggling

This is where I just can't get on board. Because I DONT see someone as their race, I'm demeaning their way of life. If I DO see someone as their race, im a bigot.
And according to some, unless I agree to conform to believe what you just stated - I'm just a WP racist who is part of the problem.

Holy hell already

I'm trying to type up a reply but Lila is going nuts right now and keeps knocking my phone out of my hand lol.

It goes a bit deeper than what you've described. I'm pretty new to learning all about this so bear with me. If you're open to learning more about color blindness as a racist ideology, I'll share some links that I've read which I believe explain it better than I could.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism

I appreciate you trying to explain by giving me the links, but I got 1/2 way through the first one and couldn't go further. The fact that saying your color blind is the new "I don't have a racist bone in my body", is to me, asinine. With anything, you can say it goes further than that. Maybe your choice is to learn more about these new findings, but it isn't mine. I'll continue to believe that if we all see each other as humans and nothing different, eventually, it will catch on. It doesn't make me ignorant, racist, live in a bubble, etc. It just means that I personally don't believe it goes further than that.

I really don't want to argue with you but what you just said is the definition of ignorance. You're choosing to not educate yourself. How can we as a society, put an end to racism when people refuse to learn and continue to be complicit?

you don't want to argue with me but then in the next breath you say what I wrote is the definition of ignorance.
I am not choosing to NOT educate myself, I've heard this through other mediums and I STILL do not agree with it. I got thru a bit of what you sent and I threw up a little in my mouth to be completely honest. Your choice to believe in this. My choice not to. Wow - that's insane. You sending me links to your everything is racist beliefs, is not the only view on the subject.

2 peas i swear

All I did is point out the hypocrisy in your post.

Ok Liz.

FTR, disagreeing doesn't make a person ignorant. Disagreeing because they don't want to read/listen to the other side and/or further educating themselves on an issue, does.

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This is really scary. Can't believe how tight this is. I fear for this country if Trump is elected. Granted I'm not a Clinton fan but if those are our only 2 choices, I'm for sure voting for her. I might have to pick up my kids and move to a different country if he wins.

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Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

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Posted by jamnmore

You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.

Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.

To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.

Please look into color blindness and racism.

"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."

It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.

The rules keep changing Liz
Colorblindness was taught growing up. To see everyone as an equal and not to judge based on looks (be it skin color, different features, disabilities, religious dress, etc)

Now according to what you just stated, being colorblind is a BAD thing because you're denying others bad experience? It is mind boggling

This is where I just can't get on board. Because I DONT see someone as their race, I'm demeaning their way of life. If I DO see someone as their race, im a bigot.
And according to some, unless I agree to conform to believe what you just stated - I'm just a WP racist who is part of the problem.

Holy hell already

I'm trying to type up a reply but Lila is going nuts right now and keeps knocking my phone out of my hand lol.

It goes a bit deeper than what you've described. I'm pretty new to learning all about this so bear with me. If you're open to learning more about color blindness as a racist ideology, I'll share some links that I've read which I believe explain it better than I could.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism

To expand on what Liz is saying - this is from a blog post I wrote.

This is a whole new process to me. Becoming socially conscious, endeavoring to be an ally for oppressed voices...it doesn't come easy nor comfortable. But for me, it is a necessary conviction and evolution if I ever want to be come socially conscious and empathetic. Because what's lacking most in society...is empathy. I'm not doing my cause, and the cause of others, any good if I can't de-center myself and allow the conversation to shift away from what makes me comfortable. Not because I don't matter (because I do believe that everyone has an opinion, whether I agree with it or not), but because the conversation isn't about me. It's bigger, broader and much more intricate than anyone can take at face value. To do anti-racism work means to accept ones position as a privileged member of the dominant group who resides outside of an oppressed community, but actively participates and/or supports their struggle.

When I was growing up, I lived in a very diverse area. Nowadays, it seems that "diverse area" is code for "a lot of black people live there" and "not a good place to raise your upwardly mobile white family." I suppose that I wasn't so far off in that estimation, because 15 years after I graduated high school I still get those slightly horrified looks from people when I tell them where I grew up.

And by diverse area, I mean that I did go to school with predominantly black and latino classmates, and the white population was, in fact, the minority if based on percentages. But never did I feel like a minority, never did I feel exclusion, and never did I feel racial barriers from anyone else. Except my fellow white community. The roadblocks never felt more real or more constricting than when navigating within my own kind.

I remember very clearly being in Mrs. Dodd's kindergarten class when I received my first lesson in empathy in a school setting. I was taunting a fellow classmate, a skinny boy named Tony. I was reprimanded for calling him "Bony Tony" because it wasn't kind, it wasn't nice, to make someone else feel bad. And I still to this day feel violently ashamed of my behavior, and seeing the forlorn look on his face. It shouldn't matter that he was black, but in owning my perspective and struggle, it highlights all too well that I was the aggressor.

And white people, despite our collective "best efforts" otherwise, have been and will continue to be the aggressor to oppressed cultures simply because that's historically the way it's always been. White supremacy conjures up images of skinheads and the Ku Klux Klan, right? But what if white supremacy didn't look so ugly? What if it wore pretty, designer clothes and drove a Mercedes SUV? It lurks within all of us - any of us, who, based solely on our skin color, is in a position of power. And acknowledging that power is heavy and scary.

Within the walls of my tidy hometown hid the rotten mold of racism and supremacy on every street corner. The town was very clearly divided into three parts - South of Merrick, the Village, and North Amityville. South of Merrick meant you lived in a 99.9% white neighborhood with grand old homes, manicured lawns and a mom who shuffled you between dance class and lacrosse practice after spending the day at your expensive private school. Living in the Village meant you were slightly on the outskirts of the idyllic and expensive groups, but still well within the realm of whiteness and middle class luxury. If you lived in North Amityville, you were black, or low-income white, or hispanic. You lived in the bad part of town.

I first lived in the Village and later, in high school, we moved South of Merrick, although I didn't go to dance class, or lacrosse practice, and my mother didn't drive a Mercedes. And I, along with my two sisters, went to public school - most of my peers went to private parochial schools. Because the public school system had been branded "bad" (how generic) over the years, and it wasn't the place to send your college-bound teenager; the budgets rarely passed, we lacked technological updates to the curriculum, and sports, arts and extracurricular activities were always on the chopping block. But I loved it. I may not have realized it then, but I can absolutely appreciate my formative years and how they have led me to this place.

By this place, I mean the realization of my white history, and how it affects my interactions with others. It's called unpacking, a reference to the seminal essay, Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh, which I read as a freshman History major in college. It was my first introduction to "white privilege." To be told, or accept, that such a thing existed was at first shocking. And like most people, when confronted with something uncomfortable or accusatory, your initial reaction is to defend - defend yourself against false accusations and that, my friends, is "white fragility."

White fragility is the horrified look that people give you when you call them out on that racist comment, or racist meme on Facebook. "I'm not racist! I have black friends! My cousin is black!" That's your white fragility talking. It's a deeply rooted, entrenched sense of entitlement. We live in a world of our own making that consistently upholds the belief of our superiority. And we avoid taking responsibility for our own whiteness because it seems in some way to betray how feel about ourselves, or how we portray ourselves to others. We can't admit to something we don't feel to be true.

But it is true. Because the imbalance of power between whites and the oppressed is horribly shifted. And there's no shame - really, there isn't - in saying that you accept something about yourself that's uncomfortable and squirmy and simultaneously wanting to do something about it. We believe that racists are bad people - and yes, people who are active aggressors towards oppressed people and cultures, who make it their mission to spread hatred and abuse, are very much indeed bad people. However, people who believe we live in a post-racial society (the Civil Rights Movement! Spike Jones! Rap music!) and that we are well-intentioned people who are simply incapable of racism. But you have to realize, racism is systemic, it is structured, it is engrained in the very fabric of our communities. It is a system of power where one group has the power to oppress another. And we all participate within our communities, which merely uphold the racist construct. Societal default is white superiority. Our voice is the default, the standard, and that's not OK. We can't have a genuine, constructive dialogue until the power balance shifts to make everyone's voice equal. You are complicit in racism if you are not seeking to tear it down. We won't have a level playing field where ALL people are heard and represented equally until we acknowledge that racial inequalities have been a problem, and that people of color in our country have had the deck stacked against them for thousands of years.

And that leads me to another point - colorblindness. We have been taught for years not to "see color" but that is problematic as well. When you tell a person of color that you don't see their color, you're also saying to them that you don't see the experiences and struggles that they endure on a daily basis (and that their collective history has endured) simply because of the color of their skin. People of color want you to see their color and recognize that their experiences - while wholly different than your own - are acknowledged and realized. For some reason, white people have been under the impression that seeing someone's color is a bad thing, that not seeing their color transcends some sort of enlightened consciousness. But there isn't anything wrong with saying, I see how our skin color makes us different and also can bring us together. By not seeing their color, it is effectively dismissing their innermost selves.

To alleviate the racial stress and conflict, we must do our part to dismantle the boundaries that separate our communities, that speak to the unwritten rules in which we conduct ourselves and to accept the ugly truths about our privilege, to act not with fragility, but with an openness and determination to disabuse ourselves of such beliefs.

Hooooly shit. Yes!

Re: If the election was today?

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Id love to see the educational background of the Trump voters on this thread..I bet there is a correlation- the less educated, the higher chances of leaning to Trump. I am voting for HRC all the way, as anti-Trump because I cant fathom him being CIC (Commander in Chief) and I care about SCOTUS nominees.

http://www.businessinsider.com/proof-republicans-really-are-dumber-than-democrats-2012-5

Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.

For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.

Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.

It's well documented that the more educated you are the more likely you are to be liberal.

I would love to see a chart or graph that shows income and political party. I am going to look into that when I have more time.

I know some wealthy people (not tons) and as far as I know none are voting Trump. But I'm not sure if that says more about patterns at large or about my personal circle of friends and family.

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If the election was today?

This election is not about Trump vs. Clinton, being a Republican or being a Democrat. It's about a woman's right to choose, it's about making sure planned parenthood has the funds to help women get medical testing, it's about making sure a person has the right to marry and love whomever their heart feels is right, it's about making sure we don't burn bridges. There is SO much at stake.

But I'll admit it . I'm embarrassed that a presidential hopeful, someone who wants to represent this nation, would find it okay to make that insulting cerebral palsy hand motion as a joke on live tv. That says a lot about someone. That simple action speaks volumes. It says more than what fox, CNN, and msnbc can say our want you to hear. Sorry. Actions speak volumes. Presidential hopefuls should NOT mock those with disabilities.

Hillary is not an angel. But NO candidate is. They ALL lie, cheat and steal. But to think DT has a more accurate moral compass... I'm still waiting for Ashton kutcher to jump out and tell us we've been pranked.