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itsbabytime
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Re: If the election was today?
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
I see this as well. The CEO's in DH's company, who are wealthy and educated, are all pro trump. Their reason? They believe trumps tax "plan" will benefit the 1% the most and therefore they will make money from his presidency.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
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Re: If the election was today?
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Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
Same. Money talks.
ETA: not all. My father who is well educated, smart, has money (not millions but is in a higher tax bracket that would benefit from trump) wouldn't even dare to support him. He'd rather pay more taxes than to let others who aren't as well off benefit from tax breaks among other things.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by ohbaby08
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Posted by Deedlebugs
the responses on this post vs. the poll results just go to show that so many who lean right, can't stay anything without fear of being attacked and labeled as a racist or "uneducated". The silent majority is HUGE, I think November is going to be very upsetting for most of the ladies on these boards.
Perhaps it's because they are embarrassed to admit that they will be voting for someone who mocked the disabled, calls women pigs, calls Mexicans rapists, treats people that worked for him like crap and stiffed them wages, loves Saddam Hussein and Putin, tweets out quotes from white supremacists, won't release his tax returns, has the mental capacity of a 4 year old, doesn't know who Tim Kaine is...
I'd be embarrassed too.
And here go again
Yes, here we go again with silly FACTS.
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Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
I see this as well. The CEO's in DH's company, who are wealthy and educated, are all pro trump. Their reason? They believe trumps tax "plan" will benefit the 1% the most and therefore they will make money from his presidency.
Exactly- they vote GOP because it's in THEIR best financial interests to do so. Wealthy Americans who back Trump support his policies from a business perspective but it's a short term outlook because most of Trumps business ventures were absolute failures. FWIW, my MIL is likely voting for Trump (and I have no qualms admitting she is an outright racist, her family emigrated from Nazi Germany in 1928 and she agreed w Romney's "47%" comment back in 2012). She supports a wall around Mexico- I really have to bite my tongue around her because she spouts off some horribly racist and uneducated statements that rival those made by Archie Bunker. 
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Re: If the election was today?
We are screwed for the next 4 years regardless. It doesnt even matter at this point. I hate them both.. but I LOATHE HRC.. never ever ever would she get my vote.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by ElizaRags35
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Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
Same. Money talks.
Yup. Greed.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by MrsMick
Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
It's well documented that the more educated you are the more likely you are to be liberal.
I would love to see a chart or graph that shows income and political party. I am going to look into that when I have more time.
I know some wealthy people (not tons) and as far as I know none are voting Trump. But I'm not sure if that says more about patterns at large or about my personal circle of friends and family.
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ChilisWife
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Re: If the election was today?
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
my MIL is likely voting for Trump (and I have no qualms admitting she is an outright racist, her family emigrated from Nazi Germany in 1928 and she agreed w Romney's "47%" comment back in 2012). She supports a wall around Mexico- I really have to bite my tongue around her because she spouts off some horribly racist and uneducated statements that rival those made by Archie Bunker.
I had to laugh reading your comment. We have the same MIL! Except mine emigrated from a South American country.
The wall is a GREAT idea. (with a rolling R)
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by MrsMick
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
This is what is so divisive - that YOUR views are the only "truth." That's just uncalled for. My beliefs and views are just as true to me as yours are to you - that doesn't make me wrong. I really hate the "#truth" - please people let's be a little more respectful of the fact that there are many different, valid viewpoints out there
And that ALL wealthy, educated etc. are pro this or anti-that. I know you said all the wealthy people YOU KNOW. . . but really? Do you know where every "wealthy" person you know stands on different issues and how they are going to vote?
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by kn2011
We are screwed for the next 4 years regardless. It doesnt even matter at this point. I hate them both.. but I LOATHE HRC.. never ever ever would she get my vote.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsMick
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
This is what is so divisive - that YOUR views are the only "truth." That's just uncalled for. My beliefs and views are just as true to me as yours are to you - that doesn't make me wrong. I really hate the "#truth" - please people let's be a little more respectful of the fact that there are many different, valid viewpoints out there
And that ALL wealthy, educated etc. are pro this or anti-that. I know you said all the wealthy people YOU KNOW. . . but really? Do you know where every "wealthy" person you know stands on different issues and how they are going to vote?
You are reading too far into my statement. As I said- the ones I know. It does not make up for the ones in the universe.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by JennP
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Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
It's well documented that the more educated you are the more likely you are to be liberal.
I would love to see a chart or graph that shows income and political party. I am going to look into that when I have more time.
I know some wealthy people (not tons) and as far as I know none are voting Trump. But I'm not sure if that says more about patterns at large or about my personal circle of friends and family.
Not to  but I am finding among people I know, it does seem to be that the less educated and less intelligent people are the ones who are really hardcore Trump. Based on the things they are saying, you can see that they are just eating up this whole "Make America Great Again" rhetoric. They are posting a lot of misinformation and stooping down to the level of Trump where all they do is insult everyone who isn't on the "Trump Train". To me, they sound very ignorant and are coming off as very "simple minded".
That being said, I also know very intelligent, very educated people who are voting Trump. Most are just hardcore Republicans and simply won't vote any other way, the others............well, I can't explain it.  lol But I do think, and flame if you must, there is some merit to thinking that Trump appeals to a certain demographic. He's loud, he's arrogant, he's demeaning, etc and that type of personality and "leadership" resonates with some types and not others.
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ChilisWife
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Re: If the election was today?
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Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
Thank you for a well thought out and respectful response. I dont know who I am voting for yet. I am terrified of Hillary's corrupt and lying nature and how she will use threats and bribes to get what she wants. I am also disgusted by Trump's overtly bad treatment of....well almost everyone. For me personally I am more concerned about economic and safety issues and less about social issues so I am so interested in seeing the debates and hearing more about what each candidate has planned and how to implement it.
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Re: If the election was today?
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Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
I completely agree.
There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.
This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by JennP
Posted by MrsMick
Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, this is actually the most uneducated comment I've seen on this thread. I'm surprised any trump supporters would even take this as an insult given how ridiculous it is. You are so off base it's sad. I live in a very wealthy neighborhood filled with extremely educated people - probably the most educated people on long island and everyone here is pro-trump and not afraid to voice it. Actually (and both my DH and I are HIGHLY educated and come from highly educated families) I have not heard one person say they are voting for Hillary.
For the record - I didn't even vote in the poll. I would never and could never vote for Hillary but, don't find Trump to be a good option either. That said, I would take him over Hillary but not sure enough to vote for him. So, as a non-anyone supporter that is my two cents. I would be careful who you share this opinion with because it doesn't reflect well on you or your intelligence or education.
Thank you. More truth. All the wealthy, educated people I know are pro Trump.
It's well documented that the more educated you are the more likely you are to be liberal.
I would love to see a chart or graph that shows income and political party. I am going to look into that when I have more time.
I know some wealthy people (not tons) and as far as I know none are voting Trump. But I'm not sure if that says more about patterns at large or about my personal circle of friends and family.
Not to but I am finding among people I know, it does seem to be that the less educated and less intelligent people are the ones who are really hardcore Trump. Based on the things they are saying, you can see that they are just eating up this whole "Make America Great Again" rhetoric. They are posting a lot of misinformation and stooping down to the level of Trump where all they do is insult everyone who isn't on the "Trump Train". To me, they sound very ignorant and are coming off as very "simple minded".
That being said, I also know very intelligent, very educated people who are voting Trump. Most are just hardcore Republicans and simply won't vote any other way, the others............well, I can't explain it. lol But I do think, and flame if you must, there is some merit to thinking that Trump appeals to a certain demographic. He's loud, he's arrogant, he's demeaning, etc and that type of personality and "leadership" resonates with some types and not others.
Yes. I agree with this as well.
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by ElizaRags35
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Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
I completely agree.
There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.
This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.
You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.
Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.
To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.
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| Posted 7/28/16 1:46 PM |
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jellybean78
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Re: If the election was today?
What an ignorant statement coming from someone who is supposedly so educated.
FTR I know plenty of educated people voting Trump and plenty of not so educated people voting HRC.
I have to laugh because the liberals you know so Kumbayah hold hands and lets save the world seem to be some of the most judgmental close minded people on this board.
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| Posted 7/28/16 2:21 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
I completely agree.
There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.
This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.
You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.
Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.
To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.
Please look into color blindness and racism.
"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."
It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.
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| Posted 7/28/16 2:28 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by mrsboss
Haaaaaa... And I'm sure all those inner-city registered Dems (if they're even registered), and those most reliant on government benefits are some of the most highly educated Americans.
And THAT is why you're a Trump voter I assume.
You honestly had no comment on that disgusting reply on the education of most trump supporters? Not just in general, but on this forum? But you just couldn't hold back replying to someone who had a negative comment about democrats - are you serious right now ?
Some people on these threads, and this includes you kitten, seem to only jump down the throats of anyone who ever has an opinion different than your own. And I mean JUMP down their throat. Not debate
It's really annoying to be honest. I learn nothing new from this type of back and forth. It just makes me wish LIF had an unfollow button so I can skip the replies I wish I didn't read
ETA: I just read your next reply and see you were jumping to the defense of the minority community that you automatically assumed that last PP was talking about. yes. I know. It's your own personal crusade to let all
Of the world know of your white guilt and how if no other person a shade lighter than the next doesn't feel it, they are racist
I don't think you really want to go there - she made an ignorant statement about Democrats and people who rely on government benefits, and I'm the bad guy? Give me a break. I didn't say one word about race - YOU did. Don't try to start an argument about race where there isn't one.
Are you absolutely serious right now????
you start an argument about race every chance you get
I won't bring up every friggin post about it.
I did not bring up race in this instance. Sure, I have in the past, but not here.
She made a statement in response to the intelligence level of Trump supporters - something I didn't say boo about - I don't care what the intelligence level is of a Trump supporter. She made an ignorant statement about the intelligence of Democrats while simultaneously lumping them in with the inner city and people who rely on government benefits - those are people of ALL races and genders, and statistically speaking, blacks and whites are equally benefiting (39% versus 38% respectively). It was a ****** dig at a marginalized faction of the population that she equates intelligence level to poverty.
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| Posted 7/28/16 2:35 PM |
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
I completely agree.
There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.
This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.
You are one of few people I know to be paying less today for health insurance. We have an employer sponsored health plan. Our weekly contribution is $220 ($11440 per year) and we have a $10000 deductible. That means that before my health insurance gives me a dime, I am paying out of my pocket $21440 per year for health insurance. And this is strictly health insurance, no vision or dental. I support affordable health insurance for everyone but disagree 100% with how this has been handled.
Also I, and many people around me, feel that race relations today are far worse than they were 10 years ago. All day everyday all we hear about is racism. 10 years ago, it didn't matter. Nobody saw someone's race, it was not important. But today that is all that matters. We have gone backwards.
To ChilisWife's point, a lot of people just want a change. They don't like the way things are right now and they want it to change. Health care, race relations, the economy. People just want a change. That is what I am hearing from friends and family.
Please look into color blindness and racism.
"Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives."
It absolutely existed but no one talked about it.
The rules keep changing Liz
Colorblindness was taught growing up. To see everyone as an equal and not to judge based on looks (be it skin color, different features, disabilities, religious dress, etc)
Now according to what you just stated, being colorblind is a BAD thing because you're denying others bad experience? It is mind boggling
This is where I just can't get on board. Because I DONT see someone as their race, I'm demeaning their way of life. If I DO see someone as their race, im a bigot.
And according to some, unless I agree to conform to believe what you just stated - I'm just a WP racist who is part of the problem.
Holy hell already
Message edited 7/28/2016 2:45:32 PM.
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| Posted 7/28/16 2:37 PM |
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MrsT809
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Re: If the election was today?
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ChilisWife
I was talking to someone about who to vote for when both candidates are beyond horrendous, and he said something interesting. He said to ask myself whether I feel things are better or worse, and if for me personally things are better or worse, than they were 8 years ago. I thought about it and honestly I feel things are much worse. I feel much less safe in the USA than I used to. Race relations seem so much worse now than any other time in my life. We are supporting every other country (militarily, outsourcing jobs, etc) and neglecting our own. People no longer can work hard to get more money and more success because others want to penalize you for it by redistributing wealth. My health insurance became twice as much money with half as much coverage and due to certain health problems I will be in medical debt for a while. I have to ask myself whether this has anything do do with democratic policies and this particular administration. Yes this is my opinion and some may disagree but others feel like I do and dont want more of the same.
See, and I feel the opposite. I thought (from an economic standpoint) things were SO MISERABLE 8 years ago. The housing market crashed and our house was upside down by almost $100K..............FINALLY now we're at a break even or positive point with our mortgage. And this was through no fault of our own, just bad timing and a housing bubble. Eight years ago the stock market was doing awful and our 401K was losing money left and right. I felt like I was bleeding money at the gas pump. People were talking about a 2nd depression and things felt so bleak. SO bleak.
8 years later................It feels like things are humming along now and our economy seems so much better. I *personally* feel better NOW than 8 years ago. As for race relations, it's always been a problem. I think the difference now from say 10, 15, 20 yrs ago is due to social media and people's camera phones, we're hearing and seeing more of it then we ever did. But I think it was ALWAYS there, it just wasn't ALWAYS in your face like it is now. KWIM?
And like you, I worry about my safety and I think we as a nation can strive to do better on that end. 9/11 changed things, A LOT. In general, I feel mostly okay living where I live and I generally *feel safe* but it's hard hearing about all the unrest in the world and I do hope we can find a way to make things better and safer for all.
So in short, I do think your friend makes a valid point, it's all in how you perceive things and how you personally have been doing the past decade. For me, I feel that on the whole things are SO much better than when we under the G.W. Bush, no doubt in my mind. I felt like the country was falling apart under his leadership.
I completely agree.
There has always been a race problem. Thanks to technology, it's now being exposed more.
This is purely anecdotal but for me personally, with regards to healthcare, we are far better off. I always supported the ACA even though I personally never benefitted from it, until February. Many people on this site know what happened to my daughter. She now has a pre-existing condition, one she will have for the rest of her life. That clause in the ACA is so important. My family is also paying the less for a PPO family plan than I paid for an individual HMO plan in 2008.
My parents are self employed and their premiums have gone down with the ACA. Same with my ILs. Literally a week before they changed over in 2014 my mom had some very serious health issues out of nowhere and it was nice to know she couldn't be denied coverage and her plan was put to very good use. My sister has been able to afford health insurance for the first time in her adult life thanks to the exchange. My insurance hasn't been affected but for my family as a whole if has been a positive change.
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