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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by Katareen
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Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
Maybe you didn’t believe it but many were led to believe the transmission rate after getting the vaccine was very very low. My gosh you can go back to the posts on here where the big claim was transmission after being vaccinated was low. The vaccinated people weren’t going to spread Covid as the transmission rate was low. We can’t just deny what was said when this vaccine came out.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by Sash
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
Maybe you didn’t believe it but many were led to believe the transmission rate after getting the vaccine was very very low. My gosh you can go back to the posts on here where the big claim was transmission after being vaccinated was low. The vaccinated people weren’t going to spread Covid as the transmission rate was low. We can’t just deny what was said when this vaccine came out.
Yes we were led to believe that any breakthrough cases would be very low and that is obviously not the case.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
None of this has any bearing on vaccine mandates. If the point of mandating all teachers to get the vaccine is to "protect the kids that can't get vaccinated" and stop the spread in schools than it makes ZERO difference if the vaccine is preventing hospitalization and death for a teacher. The fact of the matter is that someone who is vacccinated can get AND spread COVID and it's happening MORE AND MORE every day! So, they are just as much as a risk to the kids as an unvaccinated person AND, in fact, with the quarantine rules allowing them to be in the classroom even if they are a close contact and have had direct exposure, they are MORE OF A RISK. Most of the teachers got their vaccines back in January - science shows most of them are not protected anymore. In Israel, you are now only considered fully vaccinated for SIX MONTHS after your second shot. Are they requiring boosters for the teachers in NY who got their shot in January or February? NOPE. IF anyone on here pro covid vax or against can tell me how this makes sense if the goal is actually "to protect our children" - Please do so.
ETA in Israel the new rules only consider the following people fully vaccinated:
According to the criteria, Israelis who received their third shot at least a week prior, have had their second shot or recovered within the last six months, or have received one dose of the vaccine after recovering.
So given this it is quite clear to me that our vaccine mandates are not being implemented for their stated purpose.
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itsbabytime
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
This thread is SO scary to me - SO upsetting that the majority of people do NOT want to give their child the COVID Vaccine, see NO benefit to do it yet will give it to them so they can stay in school (which I totally and completely understand). WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS. The hospital staff that are fighting this are winning, if they have a staff shortage the have to bend the rules. If no one will comply for the kids they will have to bend the rules too. But if the majority go along with it - it's happening and will NEVER END. We CANNOT allow them to do this to our kids! There is no longer a silver lining here! What is the benefit of the vaccine for our kids that outweighs the risk to them? So now what, our kids will need THREE brand new vaccines that were barely studied in order to go to school? And then what, if the booster wears off? Four shots in one year? I want to know how many kids in each age group were studied that the vaccine was approved so fast for 12 year olds - full adult dosage? Every week there is new info that contradicts the old info. The CDC/FDA/Pfizer says one thing and then a month later it's not true. What will they find out next? Do you know how many potential risks are currently being investigated regarding all of the covid vaccines? MANY. There are MANY studies going on right now about a multitude of risks they are seeing especially in our kids, there is NO science right now - the science is HAPPENING now, it doesn't bother you that you that they want to give this to our kids with all this uncertainty and unknown? It's like playing Russian Roullete! Now that they know immunity wears off, the shot doesn't protect others because you can still spread it, it's not very effective against variants, it has more side effects than originally thought - NOW, knowing all this - lets mandate the shot for everyone? SEVEN of the top ten most vaccinated states have the HIGHEST percentage of cases! So let me ask you - what is this accomplishing? I am in shock that this is happening in this country. SHOCK.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
None of this has any bearing on vaccine mandates. If the point of mandating all teachers to get the vaccine is to "protect the kids that can't get vaccinated" and stop the spread in schools than it makes ZERO difference if the vaccine is preventing hospitalization and death for a teacher. The fact of the matter is that someone who is vacccinated can get AND spread COVID and it's happening MORE AND MORE every day! So, they are just as much as a risk to the kids as an unvaccinated person AND, in fact, with the quarantine rules allowing them to be in the classroom even if they are a close contact and have had direct exposure, they are MORE OF A RISK. Most of the teachers got their vaccines back in January - science shows most of them are not protected anymore. In Israel, you are now only considered fully vaccinated for SIX MONTHS after your second shot. Are they requiring boosters for the teachers in NY who got their shot in January or February? NOPE. IF anyone on here pro covid vax or against can tell me how this makes sense if the goal is actually "to protect our children" - Please do so.
ETA in Israel the new rules only consider the following people fully vaccinated:
According to the criteria, Israelis who received their third shot at least a week prior, have had their second shot or recovered within the last six months, or have received one dose of the vaccine after recovering.
So given this it is quite clear to me that our vaccine mandates are not being implemented for their stated purpose.
YES!!!!
Allowing vaccinated people not to quarantine after direct exposure is mind boggling!! Allowing vaccinated people who live with a Covid positive person not to quarantine is mind boggling!!!! Allowing people who were vaccinated in December/ January to follow the same rules as newly vaccinated people is mind boggling! Forcing employees who are healthy to get a “vaccine” is mind boggling! Allowing vaccinated people to have no restrictions when with each other (masks, social distancing, testing, etc…) is mind boggling!
How this makes sense to anyone is mind boggling!!!!
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itsbabytime
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
None of this has any bearing on vaccine mandates. If the point of mandating all teachers to get the vaccine is to "protect the kids that can't get vaccinated" and stop the spread in schools than it makes ZERO difference if the vaccine is preventing hospitalization and death for a teacher. The fact of the matter is that someone who is vacccinated can get AND spread COVID and it's happening MORE AND MORE every day! So, they are just as much as a risk to the kids as an unvaccinated person AND, in fact, with the quarantine rules allowing them to be in the classroom even if they are a close contact and have had direct exposure, they are MORE OF A RISK. Most of the teachers got their vaccines back in January - science shows most of them are not protected anymore. In Israel, you are now only considered fully vaccinated for SIX MONTHS after your second shot. Are they requiring boosters for the teachers in NY who got their shot in January or February? NOPE. IF anyone on here pro covid vax or against can tell me how this makes sense if the goal is actually "to protect our children" - Please do so.
ETA in Israel the new rules only consider the following people fully vaccinated:
According to the criteria, Israelis who received their third shot at least a week prior, have had their second shot or recovered within the last six months, or have received one dose of the vaccine after recovering.
So given this it is quite clear to me that our vaccine mandates are not being implemented for their stated purpose.
YES!!!!
Allowing vaccinated people not to quarantine after direct exposure is mind boggling!! Allowing vaccinated people who live with a Covid positive person not to quarantine is mind boggling!!!! Allowing people who were vaccinated in December/ January to follow the same rules as newly vaccinated people is mind boggling! Forcing employees who are healthy to get a “vaccine” is mind boggling! Allowing vaccinated people to have no restrictions when with each other (masks, social distancing, testing, etc…) is mind boggling!
How this makes sense to anyone is mind boggling!!!!
Totally agree. I have a friend that is in medical research at a major hospital sequencing COVID. Back in FEBRUARY, she said a third booster would be needed in the fall. February. They knew this was coming but it wasn't good for the narrative so it's now only being "realized" now. So now soon, everyone will be required to get a booster shot to be "fully vaccinated." But if you read up on it, you will see that the booster is just MORE OF THE SAME - it's not an updated vaccine targeted at Delta or the new variants - it's more of the exact same vaccine that didn't work for long the first time. So what are they going to say six months from now? Also, how many people were in the trial for effect of three COVID vaccines in 7 month period? Was there a trial? How long could it have possibly been? Or are they just going to give everyone the booster and see what happens? OH and don't forget next month it's flu shot time!!!! Get your booster AND your flu shot the same day - um, has anyone studied what that will do to your body? NOPE - YOU are the study.
Why anyone who is fully vaccinated is lining up for their booster instead of turning around and saying WTF is going on here is beyond me.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
None of this has any bearing on vaccine mandates. If the point of mandating all teachers to get the vaccine is to "protect the kids that can't get vaccinated" and stop the spread in schools than it makes ZERO difference if the vaccine is preventing hospitalization and death for a teacher. The fact of the matter is that someone who is vacccinated can get AND spread COVID and it's happening MORE AND MORE every day! So, they are just as much as a risk to the kids as an unvaccinated person AND, in fact, with the quarantine rules allowing them to be in the classroom even if they are a close contact and have had direct exposure, they are MORE OF A RISK. Most of the teachers got their vaccines back in January - science shows most of them are not protected anymore. In Israel, you are now only considered fully vaccinated for SIX MONTHS after your second shot. Are they requiring boosters for the teachers in NY who got their shot in January or February? NOPE. IF anyone on here pro covid vax or against can tell me how this makes sense if the goal is actually "to protect our children" - Please do so.
ETA in Israel the new rules only consider the following people fully vaccinated:
According to the criteria, Israelis who received their third shot at least a week prior, have had their second shot or recovered within the last six months, or have received one dose of the vaccine after recovering.
So given this it is quite clear to me that our vaccine mandates are not being implemented for their stated purpose.
YES!!!!
Allowing vaccinated people not to quarantine after direct exposure is mind boggling!! Allowing vaccinated people who live with a Covid positive person not to quarantine is mind boggling!!!! Allowing people who were vaccinated in December/ January to follow the same rules as newly vaccinated people is mind boggling! Forcing employees who are healthy to get a “vaccine” is mind boggling! Allowing vaccinated people to have no restrictions when with each other (masks, social distancing, testing, etc…) is mind boggling!
How this makes sense to anyone is mind boggling!!!!
Totally agree. I have a friend that is in medical research at a major hospital sequencing COVID. Back in FEBRUARY, she said a third booster would be needed in the fall. February. They knew this was coming but it wasn't good for the narrative so it's now only being "realized" now. So now soon, everyone will be required to get a booster shot to be "fully vaccinated." But if you read up on it, you will see that the booster is just MORE OF THE SAME - it's not an updated vaccine targeted at Delta or the new variants - it's more of the exact same vaccine that didn't work for long the first time. So what are they going to say six months from now? Also, how many people were in the trial for effect of three COVID vaccines in 7 month period? Was there a trial? How long could it have possibly been? Or are they just going to give everyone the booster and see what happens? OH and don't forget next month it's flu shot time!!!! Get your booster AND your flu shot the same day - um, has anyone studied what that will do to your body? NOPE - YOU are the study.
Why anyone who is fully vaccinated is lining up for their booster instead of turning around and saying WTF is going on here is beyond me.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Diane
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Hochul said in her announcement about teachers needing to be vaccinated or tested that children deserve to be safe and protected in schools and she’s doing everything in her power to do that.
I’m glad she gave a testing option but the way things are going why doesn’t everyone need to be tested? Does she not want to expose these breakthrough cases?
So here's another interesting tidbit on this nonsense...
My friend is a teacher and was told by her administrator that if you are vaccinated and come in contact with a positive case you do NOT have to quarantine. Only the unvaccinated teachers do.
AND you have to use your sick and personal time to do so. So she was saying if she gets exposed twice that's pretty much all her sick time and personal time gone for the year.
So while they are giving them an option to test instead of vaccinate, they really are making not getting vaccinated almost impossible.
The irony is, we all know that the vaccinated can get and spread it. Yet they don't have to quarantine after an exposure at school? How is that "protecting the children"???
I wonder if our unelected governor can answer that?
This is the same for my school as well.
Does nobody see the irony in this?
Does nobody see this makes no logical sense?
Then we wonder why people are skeptical of this.
Our district has unlimited sick so I don't know if that will be an issue (that and most staff I know of did get vaccinated last year as they were quarantining whole classes at the time and if they were vaccinated they could stop quarantining)
Yes my friend's district does not have unlimited sick so she was concerned with running out of time and having to be unpaid.
She ended up getting vaccinated because she felt she had no choice and has been a nervous wreck about it.
I feel badly that she was kind of forced- without being "forced"
Last year, if you had to quarantine (from being a close contact in school), you did not use your sick
days. This year, if you are NOT vaccinated, and need to quarantine, you will use your sick days.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by Diane
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Diane
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Hochul said in her announcement about teachers needing to be vaccinated or tested that children deserve to be safe and protected in schools and she’s doing everything in her power to do that.
I’m glad she gave a testing option but the way things are going why doesn’t everyone need to be tested? Does she not want to expose these breakthrough cases?
So here's another interesting tidbit on this nonsense...
My friend is a teacher and was told by her administrator that if you are vaccinated and come in contact with a positive case you do NOT have to quarantine. Only the unvaccinated teachers do.
AND you have to use your sick and personal time to do so. So she was saying if she gets exposed twice that's pretty much all her sick time and personal time gone for the year.
So while they are giving them an option to test instead of vaccinate, they really are making not getting vaccinated almost impossible.
The irony is, we all know that the vaccinated can get and spread it. Yet they don't have to quarantine after an exposure at school? How is that "protecting the children"???
I wonder if our unelected governor can answer that?
This is the same for my school as well.
Does nobody see the irony in this?
Does nobody see this makes no logical sense?
Then we wonder why people are skeptical of this.
Our district has unlimited sick so I don't know if that will be an issue (that and most staff I know of did get vaccinated last year as they were quarantining whole classes at the time and if they were vaccinated they could stop quarantining)
Yes my friend's district does not have unlimited sick so she was concerned with running out of time and having to be unpaid.
She ended up getting vaccinated because she felt she had no choice and has been a nervous wreck about it.
I feel badly that she was kind of forced- without being "forced"
Last year, if you had to quarantine (from being a close contact in school), you did not use your sick
days. This year, if you are NOT vaccinated, and need to quarantine, you will use your sick days.
Yep- to force people into it.
She absolutely did NOT want this vaccine.
She was forced into it by this policy.
She is beside herself too- worried that something will happen to her from the vaccine.
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Raging2020
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
None of this has any bearing on vaccine mandates. If the point of mandating all teachers to get the vaccine is to "protect the kids that can't get vaccinated" and stop the spread in schools than it makes ZERO difference if the vaccine is preventing hospitalization and death for a teacher. The fact of the matter is that someone who is vacccinated can get AND spread COVID and it's happening MORE AND MORE every day! So, they are just as much as a risk to the kids as an unvaccinated person AND, in fact, with the quarantine rules allowing them to be in the classroom even if they are a close contact and have had direct exposure, they are MORE OF A RISK. Most of the teachers got their vaccines back in January - science shows most of them are not protected anymore. In Israel, you are now only considered fully vaccinated for SIX MONTHS after your second shot. Are they requiring boosters for the teachers in NY who got their shot in January or February? NOPE. IF anyone on here pro covid vax or against can tell me how this makes sense if the goal is actually "to protect our children" - Please do so.
ETA in Israel the new rules only consider the following people fully vaccinated:
According to the criteria, Israelis who received their third shot at least a week prior, have had their second shot or recovered within the last six months, or have received one dose of the vaccine after recovering.
So given this it is quite clear to me that our vaccine mandates are not being implemented for their stated purpose.
YES!!!!
Allowing vaccinated people not to quarantine after direct exposure is mind boggling!! Allowing vaccinated people who live with a Covid positive person not to quarantine is mind boggling!!!! Allowing people who were vaccinated in December/ January to follow the same rules as newly vaccinated people is mind boggling! Forcing employees who are healthy to get a “vaccine” is mind boggling! Allowing vaccinated people to have no restrictions when with each other (masks, social distancing, testing, etc…) is mind boggling!
How this makes sense to anyone is mind boggling!!!!
Totally agree. I have a friend that is in medical research at a major hospital sequencing COVID. Back in FEBRUARY, she said a third booster would be needed in the fall. February. They knew this was coming but it wasn't good for the narrative so it's now only being "realized" now. So now soon, everyone will be required to get a booster shot to be "fully vaccinated." But if you read up on it, you will see that the booster is just MORE OF THE SAME - it's not an updated vaccine targeted at Delta or the new variants - it's more of the exact same vaccine that didn't work for long the first time. So what are they going to say six months from now? Also, how many people were in the trial for effect of three COVID vaccines in 7 month period? Was there a trial? How long could it have possibly been? Or are they just going to give everyone the booster and see what happens? OH and don't forget next month it's flu shot time!!!! Get your booster AND your flu shot the same day - um, has anyone studied what that will do to your body? NOPE - YOU are the study.
Why anyone who is fully vaccinated is lining up for their booster instead of turning around and saying WTF is going on here is beyond me.
I’m just going to sit back and watch the ones with their boosters blame the ones who didn’t get their boosters for the next outbreak.
There’s going to come a point where people don’t want to get a booster every couple months. Then what???
Those that are high risk should get vaccinated and get their boosters. But enough forcing healthy people to get all these experimental shots.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Katareen
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
I never was led to believe that was the case. I always understood that the vaccine would help prevent you from getting a severe case, which it does. I’ve gotten the flu years that I’ve had a flu shot, but I was back up and about in 2 days vs. 10 days.
Hospitals in the south are releasing data. Over 90% hospitalized are unvaccinated. Over 95% in ICU are unvaccinated. Yet people still interpret this as the “vaccine not working”.
None of this has any bearing on vaccine mandates. If the point of mandating all teachers to get the vaccine is to "protect the kids that can't get vaccinated" and stop the spread in schools than it makes ZERO difference if the vaccine is preventing hospitalization and death for a teacher. The fact of the matter is that someone who is vacccinated can get AND spread COVID and it's happening MORE AND MORE every day! So, they are just as much as a risk to the kids as an unvaccinated person AND, in fact, with the quarantine rules allowing them to be in the classroom even if they are a close contact and have had direct exposure, they are MORE OF A RISK. Most of the teachers got their vaccines back in January - science shows most of them are not protected anymore. In Israel, you are now only considered fully vaccinated for SIX MONTHS after your second shot. Are they requiring boosters for the teachers in NY who got their shot in January or February? NOPE. IF anyone on here pro covid vax or against can tell me how this makes sense if the goal is actually "to protect our children" - Please do so.
ETA in Israel the new rules only consider the following people fully vaccinated:
According to the criteria, Israelis who received their third shot at least a week prior, have had their second shot or recovered within the last six months, or have received one dose of the vaccine after recovering.
So given this it is quite clear to me that our vaccine mandates are not being implemented for their stated purpose.
YES!!!!
Allowing vaccinated people not to quarantine after direct exposure is mind boggling!! Allowing vaccinated people who live with a Covid positive person not to quarantine is mind boggling!!!! Allowing people who were vaccinated in December/ January to follow the same rules as newly vaccinated people is mind boggling! Forcing employees who are healthy to get a “vaccine” is mind boggling! Allowing vaccinated people to have no restrictions when with each other (masks, social distancing, testing, etc…) is mind boggling!
How this makes sense to anyone is mind boggling!!!!
Totally agree. I have a friend that is in medical research at a major hospital sequencing COVID. Back in FEBRUARY, she said a third booster would be needed in the fall. February. They knew this was coming but it wasn't good for the narrative so it's now only being "realized" now. So now soon, everyone will be required to get a booster shot to be "fully vaccinated." But if you read up on it, you will see that the booster is just MORE OF THE SAME - it's not an updated vaccine targeted at Delta or the new variants - it's more of the exact same vaccine that didn't work for long the first time. So what are they going to say six months from now? Also, how many people were in the trial for effect of three COVID vaccines in 7 month period? Was there a trial? How long could it have possibly been? Or are they just going to give everyone the booster and see what happens? OH and don't forget next month it's flu shot time!!!! Get your booster AND your flu shot the same day - um, has anyone studied what that will do to your body? NOPE - YOU are the study.
Why anyone who is fully vaccinated is lining up for their booster instead of turning around and saying WTF is going on here is beyond me.
I’m just going to sit back and watch the ones with their boosters blame the ones who didn’t get their boosters for the next outbreak.
There’s going to come a point where people don’t want to get a booster every couple months. Then what???
Those that are high risk should get vaccinated and get their boosters. But enough forcing healthy people to get all these experimental shots.
Even on this board people are saying they are not going to get the booster. I can see numbers going down with the amount of people who continue with the vaccine.
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If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Apparently the CDC is pushing back on this administration wanting to roll out the boosters right now saying that there is not enough data right now to support a push for boosters.
ETA: Also two higher ups in the FDA are resigning apparently because they disagree with Bidens push for boosters.
TBH this is a whole mess between the 3rd booster which wasn't part of the original promise about this vax, the number of breakthrough cases, extreme mandates and the constant vaccination plugs..people are starting to get more leary.
Israel is seeing a huge surge in COVID cases despite the fact they have extremely high vax rates. Sweden just banned travel to and from Israel even for the vaccinated due to the surge. CRAZY times.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by jellybean78
Apparently the CDC is pushing back on this administration wanting to roll out the boosters right now saying that there is not enough data right now to support a push for boosters.
ETA: Also two higher ups in the FDA are resigning apparently because they disagree with Bidens push for boosters.
TBH this is a whole mess between the 3rd booster which wasn't part of the original promise about this vax, the number of breakthrough cases, extreme mandates and the constant vaccination plugs..people are starting to get more leary.
Israel is seeing a huge surge in COVID cases despite the fact they have extremely high vax rates. Sweden just banned travel to and from Israel even for the vaccinated due to the surge. CRAZY times.
Good! I’m happy they did that. Hopefully they won’t end up working for Big Pharma!
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by jellybean78
Apparently the CDC is pushing back on this administration wanting to roll out the boosters right now saying that there is not enough data right now to support a push for boosters.
ETA: Also two higher ups in the FDA are resigning apparently because they disagree with Bidens push for boosters.
TBH this is a whole mess between the 3rd booster which wasn't part of the original promise about this vax, the number of breakthrough cases, extreme mandates and the constant vaccination plugs..people are starting to get more leary.
Israel is seeing a huge surge in COVID cases despite the fact they have extremely high vax rates. Sweden just banned travel to and from Israel even for the vaccinated due to the surge. CRAZY times.
Good! I’m happy they did that. Hopefully they won’t end up working for Big Pharma!
The Moderna booster won’t be available for the mid-Sept roll out at this point.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Did anyone see that based on the findings of an expert panel the UK decided not to allow COVID vaccines for 12-16 year olds unless they are severely immune deficient? This was based on the known side effects and the fact that they felt not enough safety data was available to allow it - "The UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 years on health grounds alone." They felt in healthy 12-15 year olds the risks of the vaccine did not outweigh the benefits.
This makes me even more upset thinking they may mandate it here when there are countries that don't even feel it is safe to give it at all!
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by itsbabytime
Did anyone see that based on the findings of an expert panel the UK decided not to allow COVID vaccines for 12-16 year olds unless they are severely immune deficient? This was based on the known side effects and the fact that they felt not enough safety data was available to allow it - "The UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 years on health grounds alone." They felt in healthy 12-15 year olds the risks of the vaccine did not outweigh the benefits.
This makes me even more upset thinking they may mandate it here when there are countries that don't even feel it is safe to give it at all!
What???
This is even more ammunition for the fight though.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by itsbabytime
Did anyone see that based on the findings of an expert panel the UK decided not to allow COVID vaccines for 12-16 year olds unless they are severely immune deficient? This was based on the known side effects and the fact that they felt not enough safety data was available to allow it - "The UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 years on health grounds alone." They felt in healthy 12-15 year olds the risks of the vaccine did not outweigh the benefits.
This makes me even more upset thinking they may mandate it here when there are countries that don't even feel it is safe to give it at all!
What???
This is even more ammunition for the fight though.
I was just reading an article in Forbes - there are currently 49 cases of covid in kids under 12 for every 100k kids. The death rate is between 0.00and 0.03%.
The headlines are amazing at making you think one thing and then when you read the numbers it tells a different story.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by itsbabytime
Did anyone see that based on the findings of an expert panel the UK decided not to allow COVID vaccines for 12-16 year olds unless they are severely immune deficient? This was based on the known side effects and the fact that they felt not enough safety data was available to allow it - "The UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 years on health grounds alone." They felt in healthy 12-15 year olds the risks of the vaccine did not outweigh the benefits.
This makes me even more upset thinking they may mandate it here when there are countries that don't even feel it is safe to give it at all!
Wow. No I didn't see that....good for the UK...Hopefully this will help our cause like Nell said.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by itsbabytime
Did anyone see that based on the findings of an expert panel the UK decided not to allow COVID vaccines for 12-16 year olds unless they are severely immune deficient? This was based on the known side effects and the fact that they felt not enough safety data was available to allow it - "The UK's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12-15 years on health grounds alone." They felt in healthy 12-15 year olds the risks of the vaccine did not outweigh the benefits.
This makes me even more upset thinking they may mandate it here when there are countries that don't even feel it is safe to give it at all!
What???
This is even more ammunition for the fight though.
I was just reading an article in Forbes - there are currently 49 cases of covid in kids under 12 for every 100k kids. The death rate is between 0.00and 0.03%.
The headlines are amazing at making you think one thing and then when you read the numbers it tells a different story.
Fear
Mongering.
Plain and simple.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Hochul said in her announcement about teachers needing to be vaccinated or tested that children deserve to be safe and protected in schools and she’s doing everything in her power to do that.
I’m glad she gave a testing option but the way things are going why doesn’t everyone need to be tested? Does she not want to expose these breakthrough cases?
So here's another interesting tidbit on this nonsense...
My friend is a teacher and was told by her administrator that if you are vaccinated and come in contact with a positive case you do NOT have to quarantine. Only the unvaccinated teachers do.
AND you have to use your sick and personal time to do so. So she was saying if she gets exposed twice that's pretty much all her sick time and personal time gone for the year.
So while they are giving them an option to test instead of vaccinate, they really are making not getting vaccinated almost impossible.
The irony is, we all know that the vaccinated can get and spread it. Yet they don't have to quarantine after an exposure at school? How is that "protecting the children"???
I wonder if our unelected governor can answer that?
The quarantine rules have been based on CDC guidance. I think the guidance made more sense when the data supported that vaccinated individuals were more protected than they currently seem to be from breakthrough infections.
The guidance is that if a vaccinated individual was exposed, but asymptomatic, he or she doesn’t need to quarantine as long as the person continues to not have any symptoms. That’s how my district is also handling quarantines for vaccinated staff and students. They strongly recommend testing even if a vaccinated individual is asymptomatic, but it’s not required. There is an option to test at day 5 and come back on day 7 for unvaccinated individuals who are asymptomatic. At the lower grades, though, if someone actually tests positive and exposes the class, everyone has to quarantine for the whole 10 days.
I didn’t think the close contact quarantines due to potential exposure at school made a lot of sense last year when everyone wore masks. There was minimal, if any, school transmission. With this variant being more contagious, we may unfortunately see more transmission in schools. I’m still not happy about the quarantines especially now that the only remote learning that will be offered at the lower grades is if the entire class is quarantined.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
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Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
Exactly. My friends dad fully vaxxed immune compromised just died. They are blaming it on COVID even though he was fully vaxxed so this shot is not nearly as effective or impressive as they said it would be. At this point you have to be blind not to see it...
At this point, I think most people acknowledge that there are breakthrough infections that are at a higher rate than initially thought due to the contagiousness of the variants. For the most vulnerable populations, I would expect the vaccine to provide some protection or chance to recover, but they are still at a greater risk of hospitalization or dying if they have a breakthrough infection. It’s not like the vaccine wipes away underlying conditions. The vaccine is preventing most people from hospitalization and death, but it’s certainly not perfect. That’s also why there have been recommendations to give a third shot to the most vulnerable people.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Raging2020
Soooo my neighbors are all vaccinated and ALL have Covid. One has it bad and has been in bed for 3 days. The other was just in bed for a day.
Uhhh yeah I’m not giving my kids a so-called vaccine that doesn’t even work. People realize this is t a vaccine right?!?!
Are they hospitalized? In ICU? On a vent? Dead?
I think that when people mention breakthrough cases is to point out that vaccinated people are getting covid more than what we were led to believe. They said vaccinated people would rarely get sick and their virus load -if any- would be so low that the chances for that person to spread to others would be minimal, pretty much nonexistent. Well...none of that seems to be the case.
Exactly. My friends dad fully vaxxed immune compromised just died. They are blaming it on COVID even though he was fully vaxxed so this shot is not nearly as effective or impressive as they said it would be. At this point you have to be blind not to see it...
At this point, I think most people acknowledge that there are breakthrough infections that are at a higher rate than initially thought due to the contagiousness of the variants. For the most vulnerable populations, I would expect the vaccine to provide some protection or chance to recover, but they are still at a greater risk of hospitalization or dying if they have a breakthrough infection. It’s not like the vaccine wipes away underlying conditions. The vaccine is preventing most people from hospitalization and death, but it’s certainly not perfect. That’s also why there have been recommendations to give a third shot to the most vulnerable people.
The problem is they can’t prove if you are sick if you have the delta variant or not. They don’t do individual tests. It’s all assumptions.
People who they call “unvaccinated” in the hospital could have both shots and not to the 14 days after the 2nd shot.
There is no way to believe anything that is thrown at us.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Posted by itsbabytime
This thread is SO scary to me - SO upsetting that the majority of people do NOT want to give their child the COVID Vaccine, see NO benefit to do it yet will give it to them so they can stay in school (which I totally and completely understand). WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS. The hospital staff that are fighting this are winning, if they have a staff shortage the have to bend the rules. If no one will comply for the kids they will have to bend the rules too. But if the majority go along with it - it's happening and will NEVER END. We CANNOT allow them to do this to our kids! There is no longer a silver lining here! What is the benefit of the vaccine for our kids that outweighs the risk to them? So now what, our kids will need THREE brand new vaccines that were barely studied in order to go to school? And then what, if the booster wears off? Four shots in one year? I want to know how many kids in each age group were studied that the vaccine was approved so fast for 12 year olds - full adult dosage? Every week there is new info that contradicts the old info. The CDC/FDA/Pfizer says one thing and then a month later it's not true. What will they find out next? Do you know how many potential risks are currently being investigated regarding all of the covid vaccines? MANY. There are MANY studies going on right now about a multitude of risks they are seeing especially in our kids, there is NO science right now - the science is HAPPENING now, it doesn't bother you that you that they want to give this to our kids with all this uncertainty and unknown? It's like playing Russian Roullete! Now that they know immunity wears off, the shot doesn't protect others because you can still spread it, it's not very effective against variants, it has more side effects than originally thought - NOW, knowing all this - lets mandate the shot for everyone? SEVEN of the top ten most vaccinated states have the HIGHEST percentage of cases! So let me ask you - what is this accomplishing? I am in shock that this is happening in this country. SHOCK.
What is also scary to me is talking to people who are against vaccinating their kids and them thinking a mandate will never happen and that they are unaware a bill is in the works.
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Re: If you don't want to vaccinate your kids...
Israel is now considering another booster shot. A FOURTH shot. After less than a year. The more they shoot up, the worse their cases seem to get.
What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result?
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Israel is now considering another booster shot. A FOURTH shot. After less than a year. The more they shoot up, the worse their cases seem to get.
What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result?
As much as people will argue, does anyone think to question what is really in these vaccines?
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