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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
and lets face it...if they weren't muslim then this wouldn't have happened...
this is how stupid our country is....
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
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Why should security know about their religious rituals or any other religious rituals for that matter? What they were doing was out of the ordinary and unusual behavior to those around them so they have every right to question it. ANY unusual or suspicious behavior should be questioned regardless of what it stems from.
When you are investigating terrorist behavior, you have a responsibility to learn about that particular group, the way they act, dress behave, worship etc. To not know and understand who you are looking for is irresponsible, b/c then you are looking at anyone and everyone and flinging unsubstantiated accusations around.
They weren't investigating terrorist behavior, they were questioning reported unusual behavior. There's a big difference. Don't you think that security had an obligation to investigate the reported concerns of several people? They didn't arrest them, they merely questioned what was going on.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:23 PM |
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baghag
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
Posted by shamrock12472
Why should security know about their religious rituals or any other religious rituals for that matter? What they were doing was out of the ordinary and unusual behavior to those around them so they have every right to question it. ANY unusual or suspicious behavior should be questioned regardless of what it stems from.
Who decides if it is unusual?
IMO this kind of praying isn't unusual at all...in fact it is common practice
Thats exactly my point. If I went to that game and made the sign of the Cross, I doubt anyone would have bothered me. 
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:23 PM |
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
Before the game began, these fans began to prostrate and pray to Allah (per their daily ritual). Fans around them became concerned and alerted security.
let's say, for argument's sake, that security did NOTHING. what then would the rest of the fans have done? what kind of response would have been appropriate, given that the majority of the concerned fans outweighed the number of fans that were praying??
i think security had an obligation to investigate and question them. goes back to 'better safe then sorry'.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:23 PM |
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
and in all honesty, if they were in my section, I would've freaked and alerted security, too.
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
Posted by shamrock12472
Why should security know about their religious rituals or any other religious rituals for that matter? What they were doing was out of the ordinary and unusual behavior to those around them so they have every right to question it. ANY unusual or suspicious behavior should be questioned regardless of what it stems from.
Who decides if it is unusual?
IMO this kind of praying isn't unusual at all...in fact it is common practice
I'm not saying that their praying is unusual behavior. Security investigated the reports by others about the unusual behavior. Don't you think that there is a responsibility of security to investigate reports made by several people?
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:24 PM |
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baghag
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by shamrock12472
They weren't investigating terrorist behavior, they were questioning reported unusual behavior. There's a big difference. Don't you think that security had an obligation to investigate the reported concerns of several people? They didn't arrest them, they merely questioned what was going on.
I disagree. I doubt anyone was looking and saying, hey thats weird to be praying at a game. I really think they were target b/c it was Muslim prayer.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:26 PM |
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Shorty
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Actually, in the Newsday article, it said that security received complaints that these people were taking pictures of the building structure, THEN laid down in the aisle to pray.
Does that change the situation for anyone?
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:26 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Shorty
Actually, in the Newsday article, it said that security received complaints that these people were taking pictures of the building structure, THEN laid down in the aisle to pray.
Does that change the situation for anyone?
Do you think maybe because that was the first time there were there????????????????????
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
Posted by shamrock12472
They weren't investigating terrorist behavior, they were questioning reported unusual behavior. There's a big difference. Don't you think that security had an obligation to investigate the reported concerns of several people? They didn't arrest them, they merely questioned what was going on.
I disagree. I doubt anyone was looking and saying, hey thats weird to be praying at a game. I really think they were target b/c it was Muslim prayer.
Some people aren't familiar with Muslim customs and don't know what their prayer entails. I still think that security had an obligation to investigate the reports.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:29 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers 
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:29 PM |
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
I really wish Mohammed Atta and his crew had stopped to pray! who knows, had that happened on the morning of 9/11, and airport security responded in the same fashion as at the football game, maybe their concealed weapons would have been found, and things would've turned out a little differently.
just something to think about.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:29 PM |
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:31 PM |
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
this, IMO was an overreaction and i do not think it was right
I agree
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:31 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by MrsERod
I really wish Mohammed Atta and his crew had stopped to pray! who knows, had that happened on the morning of 9/11, and airport security responded in the same fashion as at the football game, maybe their concealed weapons would have been found, and things would've turned out a little differently.
just something to think about.
they were doing it in the name of ALLA so it wouldn't have mattered
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:31 PM |
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baghag
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by shamrock12472
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Posted by shamrock12472
They weren't investigating terrorist behavior, they were questioning reported unusual behavior. There's a big difference. Don't you think that security had an obligation to investigate the reported concerns of several people? They didn't arrest them, they merely questioned what was going on.
I disagree. I doubt anyone was looking and saying, hey thats weird to be praying at a game. I really think they were target b/c it was Muslim prayer.
Some people aren't familiar with Muslim customs and don't know what their prayer entails. I still think that security had an obligation to investigate the reports.
That is exactly why I said that they should be aware of some basic Muslim rules- so that they wold have known that the prayer is mandated and harmless.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:32 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
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man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
you can't take a pic of the white house anymore?
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:32 PM |
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
taking pics of a football game and taking pics of the BUILDING STRUCTURE of the stadium are DEFINITELY different things.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:33 PM |
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
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man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
you can't take a pic of the white house anymore?
I don't know about the White House in particular but you aren't allowed to take pictures of any of the city crossings including the tunnels or buildings like 1 Police Plaza.
Message edited 11/2/2005 12:35:59 PM.
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baghag
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by shamrock12472
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man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
you can't take a pic of the white house anymore?
I don't know about the White House in particular but you aren't allowed to take pictures of any of the city crossings including the tunnels.
i have never seen it enforced.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:35 PM |
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
Posted by MrsERod
I really wish Mohammed Atta and his crew had stopped to pray! who knows, had that happened on the morning of 9/11, and airport security responded in the same fashion as at the football game, maybe their concealed weapons would have been found, and things would've turned out a little differently.
just something to think about.
they were doing it in the name of ALLA so it wouldn't have mattered
regardless - it could have mattered greatly to the 2,986 families who lost loved ones on 9/11.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:36 PM |
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
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Posted by Redhead
man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
you can't take a pic of the white house anymore?
I don't know about the White House in particular but you aren't allowed to take pictures of any of the city crossings including the tunnels.
i have never seen it enforced.
I have heard news stories about people being arrested for taking pictures.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:37 PM |
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Shorty
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
I don't know about the White House in particular but you aren't allowed to take pictures of any of the city crossings including the tunnels.
i have never seen it enforced.
I have - last week. I was on the williamsburg bridge, and it was a beautiful, clear day. The police officers that were helping traffic merge due to the construction started SCREAMING at a woman that was hanging out of her window, trying to snap a pic of the skyline.
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| Posted 11/2/05 12:38 PM |
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i have never seen it enforced.
It is enforced regularly. Unfortunately, though, the terrorists are not stupid and are also very patient. They take home videos of their 'families' on vacation and will pan to buildings for a second at a time. It's not enough time to incriminate them in court but when edited together, it's more than enough to give them the information they need.
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
Posted by shamrock12472
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man ............all the people they let go for taking pics of the twin towers
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
you can't take a pic of the white house anymore?
Nope. I went a year ago to DC and they had security all over the place. You could only get to a certain distance of the WH.
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