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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by MrsERod
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I really wish Mohammed Atta and his crew had stopped to pray! who knows, had that happened on the morning of 9/11, and airport security responded in the same fashion as at the football game, maybe their concealed weapons would have been found, and things would've turned out a little differently.
just something to think about.
they were doing it in the name of ALLA so it wouldn't have mattered
regardless - it could have mattered greatly to the 2,986 families who lost loved ones on 9/11.
how would it have mattered?
It wouldn't have changed a thing
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by shamrock12472
It's now illegal to take pictures of some structures such as bridges and government buildings.
Its true...there are clearly marked signs posted everywhere that say taking pictures of the bridge or tunnel are "prohibited"
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
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I really wish Mohammed Atta and his crew had stopped to pray! who knows, had that happened on the morning of 9/11, and airport security responded in the same fashion as at the football game, maybe their concealed weapons would have been found, and things would've turned out a little differently.
just something to think about.
they were doing it in the name of ALLA so it wouldn't have mattered
regardless - it could have mattered greatly to the 2,986 families who lost loved ones on 9/11.
how would it have mattered?
It wouldn't have changed a thing
my point is - it COULD have changed everything.
but we'll never know.
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baghag
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
I would be interested to know:
-how long the questioning lasted
-what being 'profiled' consists of, in this case
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Leeners
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
sorry i don't consider praying, no matter where it is, suspicious
I don't agree. Praying by virtue of praying is not suspicious. However, when it is at something so secular as a professional football game, with 50,000 fans and the prayer itself has also been used to 'call' for attacks to begin, it's incredibly suspicious.
It's not the security guards that questioned them nor the fans that were nervous around them that these men should be irritated with, it's the people who use their faith in violent, destructive ways that make people react nervously.
I don't mean to be rude but I think it's very easy for people to sit here, days later, and say "oh, how stupid, what an overreaction". If we were all in that situation and this was occuring around us, I venture to say that more people, if not all of us, would also have been made nervous by their actions.
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
I don't agree. Praying by virtue of praying is not suspicious. However, when it is at something so secular as a professional football game, with 50,000 fans and the prayer itself has also been used to 'call' for attacks to begin, it's incredibly suspicious.
It's not the security guards that questioned them nor the fans that were nervous around them that these men should be irritated with, it's the people who use their faith in violent, destructive ways that make people react nervously.
I don't mean to be rude but I think it's very easy for people to sit here, days later, and say "oh, how stupid, what an overreaction". If we were all in that situation and this was occuring around us, I venture to say that more people, if not all of us, would also have been made nervous but their actions.
I totally agree 
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Leeners
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
I would be interested to know:
-how long the questioning lasted
-what being 'profiled' consists of, in this case
from the Newsday article:
"According to the man, an FBI agent said they were being detained because someone had reported they were taking photos of the building, and asked if any of them had cameras. They said no, had their identification documents checked and were questioned for about a half-hour on topics including which mosques they attended, and where and how frequently they prayed, the man said."
ETA: source
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Redhead
sorry i don't consider praying, no matter where it is, suspicious
I don't agree. Praying by virtue of praying is not suspicious. However, when it is at something so secular as a professional football game, with 50,000 fans and the prayer itself has also been used to 'call' for attacks to begin, it's incredibly suspicious.
It's not the security guards that questioned them nor the fans that were nervous around them that these men should be irritated with, it's the people who use their faith in violent, destructive ways that make people react nervously.
I don't mean to be rude but I think it's very easy for people to sit here, days later, and say "oh, how stupid, what an overreaction". If we were all in that situation and this was occuring around us, I venture to say that more people, if not all of us, would also have been made nervous by their actions.
why do you consider praying, even at a football game, suspicious?
They are check throughly when they enter the stadium
When i went to Yankee stadium they all but anal probed me when entering
THAT imo should be enough...
if they were taking pics when they should have...that is one thing but other than that...it is absurd to me
And we may be nervous at their action but it is time to learn to deal with it. THis country is built on the values of freedom....
THEY are free to do this by our own civil liberties
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heidla
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Do you think that they would they have done the same thing if the President hadn't been there?
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by MrsERod
my point is - it COULD have changed everything.
but we'll never know.
i don't think i get your point
If i am understanding correctly (which i just might not be) you think that if they prayed to their Allah things would have been different?
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| Posted 11/2/05 1:03 PM |
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Leeners
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by heidla
Do you think that they would they have done the same thing if the President hadn't been there?
I do, yes.
Just an FYI - it was former President Bush (it was a fundraising effort for Katrina, the game against the Saints).
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Thank you for the link, Leeners. 
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
Posted by MrsERod
my point is - it COULD have changed everything.
but we'll never know.
i don't think i get your point
If i am understanding correctly (which i just might not be) you think that if they prayed to their Allah things would have been different?
no..what i meant was, if they had stopped to pray and had been faced with the same sort of questioning, interrogation as the fans at the football game, and airport security uncovered that something was amiss, maybe 9/11 could have been thwarted - or at the very least, SOME lives could have been saved.
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
I think Chris means that if they stopped to lay in the middle of the airport floor to pray, someone would've found that "out of the ordinary" and alerted security. Those people could've possibly been denied access to the plane.
But we'll never know. There are a lot of possibilities.
eta: whoops, a little late here.
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Shorty
I think Chris means that if they stopped to lay in the middle of the airport floor to pray, someone would've found that "out of the ordinary" and alerted security. Those people could've possibly been denied access to the plane.
But we'll never know. There are a lot of possibilities.
exactly what i meant.
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Redhead
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by MrsERod
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my point is - it COULD have changed everything.
but we'll never know.
i don't think i get your point
If i am understanding correctly (which i just might not be) you think that if they prayed to their Allah things would have been different?
no..what i meant was, if they had stopped to pray and had been faced with the same sort of questioning, interrogation as the fans at the football game, and airport security uncovered that something was amiss, maybe 9/11 could have been thwarted - or at the very least, SOME lives could have been saved.
But Chris...we can't go around investigating all muslims that pray!
MAYBE if we followed these people who shouldn't have been here in the first place things might have been different. THe fact that there are MILLIONS of illegal aliens in this country IMO is a bigger threat then muslims praying
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
first of all, i respect everyone's opinions and I thank you all for having a civil discussion, for a change.
I almost feel like we're in a "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" scenario."
Let's say security did nothing and Giants stadium blew up. And later on we found out about the praying before the explosion. People would be furious that something COULD have been done.
But, you do something and get accussed of profiling.
What's the answer then?
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Leeners
I don't agree. Praying by virtue of praying is not suspicious. However, when it is at something so secular as a professional football game, with 50,000 fans and the prayer itself has also been used to 'call' for attacks to begin, it's incredibly suspicious.
It's not the security guards that questioned them nor the fans that were nervous around them that these men should be irritated with, it's the people who use their faith in violent, destructive ways that make people react nervously.
I don't mean to be rude but I think it's very easy for people to sit here, days later, and say "oh, how stupid, what an overreaction". If we were all in that situation and this was occuring around us, I venture to say that more people, if not all of us, would also have been made nervous by their actions.
I don't think it is fair to let the location of the prayer determine if it is suspicious or not. I believe they have to pray anywhere and everywhere, when it is the right time.
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Leeners
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
why do you consider praying, even at a football game, suspicious?
They are check throughly when they enter the stadium
When i went to Yankee stadium they all but anal probed me when entering
THAT imo should be enough...
if they were taking pics when they should have...that is one thing but other than that...it is absurd to me
And we may be nervous at their action but it is time to learn to deal with it. THis country is built on the values of freedom....
THEY are free to do this by our own civil liberties
I believe it's suspicious, this particular prayer, because it has been used a number of times to signal the start of attacks. I don't see how it's not to be considered suspicious when repeated in a crowded, secular venue after that happens even one time.
The security at the Meadowlands is far from perfect, as is the security everywhere, as evidenced by Sept 11th. Those hijackers got through metal detectors, etc with their knives and box cutters and managed to kill almost 3K people. I don't think we can rely on a single security system to get us through.
We want our government and civil service officers to save us but we also want to tout all of our civil liberties that impede them from doing an effective job. Unfortunately at this time, we can't have our cake and eat it too and IMO safety of the masses has to be the #1 priority.
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Leeners
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
I don't think it is fair to let the location of the prayer determine if it is suspicious or not. I believe they have to pray anywhere and everywhere, when it is the right time.
In a perfect world, I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, this is far from a perfect world and since the very same words have been uttered to begin attacks, and they were in a likely target with 50,000 people, the scenario shifts.
Again, I think the whole thing s*cks but it's the people who use their faith as justification for the horrible atrocities they commit that these people should be angry at, not the people who are now living in fear because of the acts.
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MrsERod
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Redhead
But Chris...we can't go around investigating all muslims that pray!
of course we can't.....
but in this case, where 50,000 people are all under one roof, the appropriate action was taken.
Posted by Redhead
MAYBE if we followed these people who shouldn't have been here in the first place things might have been different.
I COMPLETELY agree!
that's why its so frustrating that they were able to assimilate into society so well.
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Redhead
sorry i don't consider praying, no matter where it is, suspicious
I don't agree. Praying by virtue of praying is not suspicious. However, when it is at something so secular as a professional football game, with 50,000 fans and the prayer itself has also been used to 'call' for attacks to begin, it's incredibly suspicious.
It's not the security guards that questioned them nor the fans that were nervous around them that these men should be irritated with, it's the people who use their faith in violent, destructive ways that make people react nervously.
I don't mean to be rude but I think it's very easy for people to sit here, days later, and say "oh, how stupid, what an overreaction". If we were all in that situation and this was occuring around us, I venture to say that more people, if not all of us, would also have been made nervous by their actions.
I disagree. I have never heard of suicide bombers or terrorists stopping to pray or 'calling for attacks to begin' through prayer. In fact, all of the documentation I've seen indicates the opposite. Suicide bombers try to blend and look like everyone else. They wouldn't call such attention to themselves.
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
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first of all, i respect everyone's opinions and I thank you all for having a civil discussion, for a change.
I almost feel like we're in a "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" scenario."
Let's say security did nothing and Giants stadium blew up. And later on we found out about the praying before the explosion. People would be furious that something COULD have been done.
But, you do something and get accussed of profiling.
What's the answer then?
You are assuming it would have been the Muslims that would have blown it up.
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by baghag
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
first of all, i respect everyone's opinions and I thank you all for having a civil discussion, for a change.
I almost feel like we're in a "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" scenario."
Let's say security did nothing and Giants stadium blew up. And later on we found out about the praying before the explosion. People would be furious that something COULD have been done.
But, you do something and get accussed of profiling.
What's the answer then?
You are assuming it would have been the Muslims that would have blown it up.
i'm not assuming anything, but let's say yes, the muslims blew it up and we found out that there were visible signs of this before it happened
if you had a family member in the building, what would youthink?
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Re: Interesting topic for discussion
Posted by usuk2004
I disagree. I have never heard of suicide bombers or terrorists stopping to pray or 'calling for attacks to begin' through prayer. In fact, all of the documentation I've seen indicates the opposite. Suicide bombers try to blend and look like everyone else. They wouldn't call such attention to themselves.
It happens in Israel with the majority of the bombings. They call out to Allah right prior to setting it off. It happened on September 11th as they stormed the cabins. They view themselves as religious martyrs and therefore call to Allah just before beginning their offense.
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