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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
You could not have voted under your kids. If you volunteered to work the polls you would know how the system works. Your signature and age come up when you provide your name. I’m guessing you don’t look like you are a young adult!
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Diane
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
My aunt and uncle do not drive, have no credit cards, or bank accounts. They live at/below the poverty line. They have had their jobs for decades and do not have a valid state issued ID.
In circumstances like this, the government should step in and issue them a valid ID at no charge.
*Should*, but currently doesn't. Until that does happen, requiring voter ID is unconstitutional. If and when that happens, then the merits can be discussed. The initial hurdle has to be crossed first.
And without it you can have fraud. Just like I explained above, I could have voted for my own child and myself. That is fraud.
Yep, when my DH and I were on line waiting to vote. The man in front of us went to vote, and as they looked up his name, and ready to sign, someone already signed in his spot, so someone already voted under his name.
Someone forged his name, in a similar signature style to his name, or did they sign their own name in the wrong spot? If you didn't see the signatures, you can't say that someone voted under his name.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
My aunt and uncle do not drive, have no credit cards, or bank accounts. They live at/below the poverty line. They have had their jobs for decades and do not have a valid state issued ID.
In circumstances like this, the government should step in and issue them a valid ID at no charge.
*Should*, but currently doesn't. Until that does happen, requiring voter ID is unconstitutional. If and when that happens, then the merits can be discussed. The initial hurdle has to be crossed first.
And without it you can have fraud. Just like I explained above, I could have voted for my own child and myself. That is fraud.
And there were several stories of Republicans trying to "prove" that the system was flawed, got caught and arrested.
And we all know that the 80 year old grandma at the polling station can spot a fake ID from a mile away.... nobody who really wants to add one illegal vote can ever get past her....
Republicans at every level agreed that there was no significant fraud. If you believe that every Republican responsible for their election is lying and trying to cover up the Democrats somehow cheating their way to a Presidential win, then there's no way I can convince you otherwise.
Why is this a R or D thing? I am saying that I could have easily voted twice.
ID should be required in ALL states. There is no reason but for either party to want to get illegal votes.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by alli3131
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With that said, I think what should be implemented throughout all states is identity verification. As a matter of fact, no one should be walking around without some type of ID.
Then getting an ID needs to be free. You cannot put requirements on voting they will cost the voter money because then it’s not a free fair election. This has been litigated.
Under $10 for ID should be doable for most people, don’t you think?
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Diane
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
My aunt and uncle do not drive, have no credit cards, or bank accounts. They live at/below the poverty line. They have had their jobs for decades and do not have a valid state issued ID.
In circumstances like this, the government should step in and issue them a valid ID at no charge.
*Should*, but currently doesn't. Until that does happen, requiring voter ID is unconstitutional. If and when that happens, then the merits can be discussed. The initial hurdle has to be crossed first.
And without it you can have fraud. Just like I explained above, I could have voted for my own child and myself. That is fraud.
Yep, when my DH and I were on line waiting to vote. The man in front of us went to vote, and as they looked up his name, and ready to sign, someone already signed in his spot, so someone already voted under his name.
Yep and no one is blinking an eye at this.
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Diane
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
My aunt and uncle do not drive, have no credit cards, or bank accounts. They live at/below the poverty line. They have had their jobs for decades and do not have a valid state issued ID.
In circumstances like this, the government should step in and issue them a valid ID at no charge.
*Should*, but currently doesn't. Until that does happen, requiring voter ID is unconstitutional. If and when that happens, then the merits can be discussed. The initial hurdle has to be crossed first.
And without it you can have fraud. Just like I explained above, I could have voted for my own child and myself. That is fraud.
Yep, when my DH and I were on line waiting to vote. The man in front of us went to vote, and as they looked up his name, and ready to sign, someone already signed in his spot, so someone already voted under his name.
Someone forged his name, in a similar signature style to his name, or did they sign their own name in the wrong spot? If you didn't see the signatures, you can't say that someone voted under his name.
IDK, the woman that was working the booth said, oh it looks like you voted already, and he said "No" I did not. So who knows.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by alli3131
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
You could not have voted under your kids. If you volunteered to work the polls you would know how the system works. Your signature and age come up when you provide your name. I’m guessing you don’t look like you are a young adult!
Not 4 years ago. It was a simple sign your name.
Hey I don’t think I look that old for my age ;)
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Diane
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Diane
My aunt and uncle do not drive, have no credit cards, or bank accounts. They live at/below the poverty line. They have had their jobs for decades and do not have a valid state issued ID.
In circumstances like this, the government should step in and issue them a valid ID at no charge.
*Should*, but currently doesn't. Until that does happen, requiring voter ID is unconstitutional. If and when that happens, then the merits can be discussed. The initial hurdle has to be crossed first.
And without it you can have fraud. Just like I explained above, I could have voted for my own child and myself. That is fraud.
Yep, when my DH and I were on line waiting to vote. The man in front of us went to vote, and as they looked up his name, and ready to sign, someone already signed in his spot, so someone already voted under his name.
Someone forged his name, in a similar signature style to his name, or did they sign their own name in the wrong spot? If you didn't see the signatures, you can't say that someone voted under his name.
IDK, the woman that was working the booth said, oh it looks like you voted already, and he said "No" I did not. So who knows.
Some are naive and think this doesn’t happen just like they think there has never been any voter fraud.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by alli3131
Posted by
With that said, I think what should be implemented throughout all states is identity verification. As a matter of fact, no one should be walking around without some type of ID.
Then getting an ID needs to be free. You cannot put requirements on voting they will cost the voter money because then it’s not a free fair election. This has been litigated.
Under $10 for ID should be doable for most people, don’t you think?
What part of "any fee is unconstitutional" is confusing? ANY fee is illegal.
And even your own statement proves the point... "doable for MOST people"...
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by alli3131
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With that said, I think what should be implemented throughout all states is identity verification. As a matter of fact, no one should be walking around without some type of ID.
Then getting an ID needs to be free. You cannot put requirements on voting they will cost the voter money because then it’s not a free fair election. This has been litigated.
Under $10 for ID should be doable for most people, don’t you think?
What part of "any fee is unconstitutional" is confusing? ANY fee is illegal.
And even your own statement proves the point... "doable for MOST people"...
Just stating that it does not cost a lot to get an ID but I do agree everyone should have one to vote so if they don’t fall under the feee category and truly can’t afford it, it should be provided to them.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by alli3131
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With that said, I think what should be implemented throughout all states is identity verification. As a matter of fact, no one should be walking around without some type of ID.
Then getting an ID needs to be free. You cannot put requirements on voting they will cost the voter money because then it’s not a free fair election. This has been litigated.
And this should not be an issue. Other countries that are not a first world country like the US have been doing this for so long and they issue those IDs at no or very low cost to the person. Without this IDs, people cannot vote among other things. Having a valid ID is a requirement for all citizens, just like having a license is for driving.
Message edited 3/9/2021 1:26:04 PM.
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MC09
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Maybe Trump was elected by voter fraud.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by alli3131
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With that said, I think what should be implemented throughout all states is identity verification. As a matter of fact, no one should be walking around without some type of ID.
Then getting an ID needs to be free. You cannot put requirements on voting they will cost the voter money because then it’s not a free fair election. This has been litigated.
And this should not be an issue. Other countries that are not a first world country like the US have been doing this for so long and they’re issuing those IDs at no or very low cost to the person. Having a valid ID is a requirement for all citizens, just like having a license is for driving.
Exactly. You either have a drivers license, go and get ID or qualify for free ID. If you want to vote you should be able to.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by MC09
Maybe Trump was elected by voter fraud.
Maybe, but I think HRC would have fought it more than she did, don’t you think?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Diane
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Hofstra26
It's almost as if some people are unaware of the voter suppression problem we have in this country.
I'm also not understanding why anyone thinks election results are suppose to be definitive on election night. Where did anyone get the idea that the election must be decided on one night? It's not how things EVER worked, states have their own voting rules and counting votes takes time.
Lastly, I'll say this until I'm blue in the face, this is the 21st century, the notion that one MUST show up in person to vote is so outdated and archaic. Every American should have the option to vote in whatever manner works best for them whether that be in person, by ballot or otherwise. The easier we make it to vote, the more people that will vote but we all know that's not what politicians want. Insisting that everyone must vote in person is just another form of voter suppression. I hope at some point there is online voting in addition to in person and mail in/drop off ballots. Time to change with the times.
ETA - I totally agree with Golden, Election Day should be a national holiday.
Just look at all the unemployment fraud going on bc you don’t have to file IN PERSON. Until we can get a more secure way, I just can’t get on board with all these other ways of voting. Im all for weeklong in-person voting. Anything more is risky as a voter because a lot can change leading up to Election Day.
And yet, this election was deemed very secure and there still has been NO evidence to date of ANY fraud or wrongdoing.
Voter fraud has been going on for over a 100 years.
It's been proven OVER and OVER again that wide scale fraud on the level needed to impact the outcome of an election is virtually impossible. We have, and always have had, a safe and fair election system. That doesn't mean the system is perfect or that errors don't occur but it's certainly not a rampant problem. Furthermore, there is still ZERO evidence of fraud let alone wide scale fraud that would have flipped 4+ states and an entire election. Trump supporters need to let that pipe dream go, it's rooted in conspiracies, NOT facts.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
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Diane
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
I dont thinks she did...she is just stating how she "could" have, because they dont check IDs.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Diane
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
I dont thinks she did...she is just stating how she "could" have, because they dont check IDs.
Gotcha.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
She said could have.
I could steal a ton of merchandise from Target at the self checkout if I wanted to because their security isn't so great. But I would never do that.
But saying I could doesn't constitute a crime.
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NervousNell
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
This thread has gone in a million directions, but I do have to say that the gov't really SHOULD issue ID's free of charge. A driver's license I can see having to pay a fee for- because at the end of the day you don't NEED to drive. I mean, yes, it is highly inconvenient if you can't drive but it isn't 100% necessary.
But I do feel ID should be 100% necessary to vote and for those who can't afford a license, the gov't absolutely should be giving people ID at no charge.
Not just for voting but for identification purposes in general- for jobs, for going to the hospital, etc
I think everyone deserves a gov't issued ID
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
Ummm no. They were actually in another state and was able to vote there but my point was I could have and that is where the system is flawed.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by Diane
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
I dont thinks she did...she is just stating how she "could" have, because they dont check IDs.
Lone how poorly these people think of my morals when they don’t even know me. I would never but could was my point. It should never be like that.
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
She said could have.
I could steal a ton of merchandise from Target at the self checkout if I wanted to because their security isn't so great. But I would never do that.
But saying I could doesn't constitute a crime.
Exactly
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Re: Iowa governor signs controversial law shortening early and Election Day voting
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Valentinesbaby73
Posted by KarenK122
Going back to the initial post, since this seemed to go off the rails again....
I have no issue reducing it to 20 days. 20 days or 29 days really should not matter. I do think closing an hour early might be a problem as it might interfere with working people or people needing transportation to a polling site.
I also, firmly believe that everyone that votes should be showing an ID. If you don't have a driver's license then the state should be providing some sort of ID to those over 18. I also don't believe in mailing ballots out to everyone because I find no order in that. Every ballot should be able to be accounted for and should not be a mass mailing.
Not really derailed as fraud was mentioned.
Voter ID and only one ballot per person. NY is horrible as I could have voted under my name and came back and voted under my kids name as no ID was asked for.
Are you admitting to committing voter fraud this past election? Stating that you returned and voted under your kid's name?
That is a federal crime.
She said could have.
I could steal a ton of merchandise from Target at the self checkout if I wanted to because their security isn't so great. But I would never do that.
But saying I could doesn't constitute a crime.
I can’t believe this has to be clarified. It’s in black and white that she didn’t do this. 
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You would think right? Sadly there are many who would and probably have done. That is why this is an issue.
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