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Pumpkin
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
I wish it were true.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by Pumpkin
I wish it were true.
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| Posted 10/28/08 12:39 PM |
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by GoldenRod
I heard that Obama has super powers and can fly, and his daughter can't ever die, and his brother is going to destroy the world! IMAGE 0
It was either Obama, or the Patrellis from Heroes..... I forget..... 
Aw crap, that means Obama's father isn't really dead and his dad is an evil supervillain that will take powers away from his son.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by jellybean1420
That birth certificate can't possibly be a copy of his actual certificate. It doesnt have a stamped seal. It looks like anyone could have created that.
I'm not saying he's not a citizen...but that document to me does not seem legitimate. I would assume in order to get where he is he would have to produce something proving his place of birth or at least I would hope so.
if you look at the pic, towards the center on the bottom--to the right of the info on his father..you can see a date that was stamped on the other side. you can make out a backwards 2007 -- it looks like this is not the original but instead a certified copy that was issued in 2007. many times a certified copy has the stamp and seal on the other side where the town or registrar puts that the copy is certified to be authentic of the original.
so yes-- i think this is a real copy that was scanned into the computer.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by Pumpkin
I wish it were true.
Me too....I actually was going to post this
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| Posted 10/28/08 12:50 PM |
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DKF1016
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Some questions that are raised about Barack Obama's background are passed around the internet channels and frustrate many Democrats. Some emails and fowards don't make sense and aggravate the liberals. I get this.
In general, I do not think it is ridiculous to ask about more background information about ANY president.
For me, I want to know where his funding his coming from...who he associated with in college. I want to know who has influenced him and made him get to where he is today.
I would want to know these things for any candidate.
Many of the Obama supporters around me are SO volatile and will not even discuss some of these things b/c they believe questions about their candidates' background is ludicrous.
How a candidate came to stand is important media coverage. The clothes a candidate (or VP candidate) stands in is useless media coverage.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by DKF1016
Some questions that are raised about Barack Obama's background are passed around the internet channels and frustrate many Democrats. Some emails and fowards don't make sense and aggravate the liberals. I get this.
In general, I do not think it is ridiculous to ask about more background information about ANY president.
For me, I want to know where his funding his coming from...who he associated with in college. I want to know who has influenced him and made him get to where he is today.
I would want to know these things for any candidate.
Many of the Obama supporters around me are SO volatile and will not even discuss some of these things b/c they believe questions about their candidates' background is ludicrous.
How a candidate came to stand is important media coverage. The clothes a candidate (or VP candidate) stands in is useless media coverage.
Of course it's not ridiculous to want to know a cantidate's background...it's when people mask their suspicions of his being a terrorist with questions about his background that it bothers me!
I don't think it matters who he associated with in college - I would hate people to judge me NOW based on the friend choices I made THEN.
And I believe he's stated several times that the money he made from his books helped him fund things.
And I personally find McCain/Palin supporters to be way more aggressive then Obama/Biden supporters.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by DKF1016
Some questions that are raised about Barack Obama's background are passed around the internet channels and frustrate many Democrats. Some emails and fowards don't make sense and aggravate the liberals. I get this.
In general, I do not think it is ridiculous to ask about more background information about ANY president.
For me, I want to know where his funding his coming from...who he associated with in college. I want to know who has influenced him and made him get to where he is today.
I would want to know these things for any candidate.
Many of the Obama supporters around me are SO volatile and will not even discuss some of these things b/c they believe questions about their candidates' background is ludicrous.
How a candidate came to stand is important media coverage. The clothes a candidate (or VP candidate) stands in is useless media coverage.
Remember The New Yorker cover that caused so much controversy? The one where Obama and his wife are depicted as terrorists? Inside the magazine was an article that chronicled his days in law school and early political ties in Chicago. It was not a candy-coated pro-Obama piece and actually offered some valuable insight into his political rise that is NOT written about in his books. You should go to your local library and see if they still have a back copy.
ETA: I think his funding comes from donations. In my neighborhood there are stoop sales/bake sales/fundraisers every weekend with ALL proceeds going to Obama/Biden 2008.
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Posted by Luv2bAmom
I mean seriously all we need now is to question if he is infact human, cause you know I heard that no one really witnessed his birth, so maybe he materialized from out of space
Love this line! 
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DKF1016
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Thank you for your response. I agree...I get upset when people just say "i'm not voting for him because he is a terrorist". I can respect anyone, either way, who can give reasons based on the candidates views or beliefs and not just blurt out something ignorant like that.
I have been following the debates and have made my choice.
With regards to his background...the media glosses over so many important issues that should be printed in bold. Certain facts still stand. Obama is still friends with Ayers. Ayers is unrepentant. Joe asks a simple question of Obama; Obama answers. Suddenly, the media is digging through his personal life, camping out on his front lawn. He is smeared through the media as an American who does not pay taxes He just asked a simple question and Obama answered.
What I find in my personal day-to-day experience, are democrats being the first ones to raise their voice and jump down peoples throats in the face of opposition.
I know we all want what we believe is best for the country. It is my belief that if the Left has its way the bad times will be even worse.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by DKF1016
I know we all want what we believe is best for the country. It is my belief that if the Left has its way the bad times will be even worse.
well- from my experince - I feel the opposite
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mommy2Alex
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
I don't believe it matters where you are born if one or both your parents are US Citizens, minors or not. One parent a citizen = citizenship for the child. DS wasn't born in the US or a US territory but he is a US Citizen.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by usuk2004
You don't need to denounce citizenship of other countries in order to retain your US citizenship. The US just doesn't recognize any other citizenships - and it's not necessarily an issue for security clearance. However, traveling on something other than a US passport might be, although there's no evidence to support that he did travel on an Indonesian passport - or that he ever had one to begin with (he traveled to Pakistan when he was in college and apparently it would've been difficult for a US citizen to enter that country at that time so the assumption is he must've had an Indonesian passport). Or that he was actually an Indonesian citizen. Apparently Indonesia has a bylaw which states that if you leave the country for 5 years, you must declare an intention to return or risk losing your citizenship.
Regardless of all of this, he was a minor during his time in Indonesia.
1st for a clearance if you have dual citizenship you must denounce the Non-USA. That's a big no-no. Any type of foreign relations (including a parent) is fully investigated.
2nd I understand he was a minor when he lived in Indonesia. He gained his citizenship then. He stated that when he went to Pakistan it was on his way out of Indonesia after visiting his mom in 1981. I assume that kept his citizenship good for 5 years and by now (if he never showed intent to go back) he lost it.
I still think its weird. I think a lot of the "slander" that is out there should really be thought about because there are no real answers coming from the campaign, its easier to say that McCain is running a Dirty campaign then to answer the questions.
Many people question Obama's character and judgments. To learn about a person you look at his past. There are some outstanding character and judgment flaws which don't sit well with voters. Maybe they like his plans but they don't feel 100% about him. Just answer the darn questions!
I don't get it and I think its weird.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by usuk2004
You don't need to denounce citizenship of other countries in order to retain your US citizenship. The US just doesn't recognize any other citizenships - and it's not necessarily an issue for security clearance. However, traveling on something other than a US passport might be, although there's no evidence to support that he did travel on an Indonesian passport - or that he ever had one to begin with (he traveled to Pakistan when he was in college and apparently it would've been difficult for a US citizen to enter that country at that time so the assumption is he must've had an Indonesian passport). Or that he was actually an Indonesian citizen. Apparently Indonesia has a bylaw which states that if you leave the country for 5 years, you must declare an intention to return or risk losing your citizenship.
Regardless of all of this, he was a minor during his time in Indonesia.
1st for a clearance if you have dual citizenship you must denounce the Non-USA. That's a big no-no. Any type of foreign relations (including a parent) is fully investigated.
2nd I understand he was a minor when he lived in Indonesia. He gained his citizenship then. He stated that when he went to Pakistan it was on his way out of Indonesia after visiting his mom in 1981. I assume that kept his citizenship good for 5 years and by now (if he never showed intent to go back) he lost it.
I still think its weird. I think a lot of the "slander" that is out there should really be thought about because there are no real answers coming from the campaign, its easier to say that McCain is running a Dirty campaign then to answer the questions.
Many people question Obama's character and judgments. To learn about a person you look at his past. There are some outstanding character and judgment flaws which don't sit well with voters. Maybe they like his plans but they don't feel 100% about him. Just answer the darn questions!
I don't get it and I think its weird.
forgive my stupidity, but what exactly are we trying to find out?
and you are WRONG about renouncing for clearance.
it depends on the type of clearance you are asking for.
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| Posted 10/28/08 2:29 PM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by mommy2Alex
I don't believe it matters where you are born if one or both your parents are US Citizens, minors or not. One parent a citizen = citizenship for the child. DS wasn't born in the US or a US territory but he is a US Citizen.
the issue here though is Constitutional. The Constitution says that the President must be a native born citizen meaning born in a state or territory (or military base) of the US in order to qualify for the office of President.
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Ophelia
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by Cpt2007
Posted by mommy2Alex
I don't believe it matters where you are born if one or both your parents are US Citizens, minors or not. One parent a citizen = citizenship for the child. DS wasn't born in the US or a US territory but he is a US Citizen.
the issue here though is Constitutional. The Constitution says that the President must be a native born citizen meaning born in a state or territory (or military base) of the US in order to qualify for the office of President.
this is why, sadly, Arnold Schwarzenegger will never be able to be president 
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by Ophelia
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Posted by usuk2004
You don't need to denounce citizenship of other countries in order to retain your US citizenship. The US just doesn't recognize any other citizenships - and it's not necessarily an issue for security clearance. However, traveling on something other than a US passport might be, although there's no evidence to support that he did travel on an Indonesian passport - or that he ever had one to begin with (he traveled to Pakistan when he was in college and apparently it would've been difficult for a US citizen to enter that country at that time so the assumption is he must've had an Indonesian passport). Or that he was actually an Indonesian citizen. Apparently Indonesia has a bylaw which states that if you leave the country for 5 years, you must declare an intention to return or risk losing your citizenship.
Regardless of all of this, he was a minor during his time in Indonesia.
1st for a clearance if you have dual citizenship you must denounce the Non-USA. That's a big no-no. Any type of foreign relations (including a parent) is fully investigated.
2nd I understand he was a minor when he lived in Indonesia. He gained his citizenship then. He stated that when he went to Pakistan it was on his way out of Indonesia after visiting his mom in 1981. I assume that kept his citizenship good for 5 years and by now (if he never showed intent to go back) he lost it.
I still think its weird. I think a lot of the "slander" that is out there should really be thought about because there are no real answers coming from the campaign, its easier to say that McCain is running a Dirty campaign then to answer the questions.
Many people question Obama's character and judgments. To learn about a person you look at his past. There are some outstanding character and judgment flaws which don't sit well with voters. Maybe they like his plans but they don't feel 100% about him. Just answer the darn questions!
I don't get it and I think its weird.
forgive my stupidity, but what exactly are we trying to find out?
and you are WRONG about renouncing for clearance.
it depends on the type of clearance you are asking for.
Sorry I am not wrong about Clearance. If you have the ability to get citizenship in another country and not actually have (per se your parent was born in Ireland) - You must denounce that also.
What we are trying to find out are answers to the "slander" questions.
For instance (to go along with the thread and citizenship) our President elect should be able to tell the American people that - he was 5 years old when he moved to Indonesia with his mom and step dad, he was offically or unofficially adopted by his step dad and took the name Barry Soetoro which is why when he went to school there he was registered has a Indonesian citizen. He moved back to Hawaii when he was 10. Yes many American people may not expect there future Pres. to have lived abroad as he has when he was a young child but it has made his outlook on foreign countries much more open minded. --- Something along those lines would be great!!
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by twiceasnice
Sorry I am not wrong about Clearance. If you have the ability to get citizenship in another country and not actually have (per se your parent was born in Ireland) - You must denounce that also.
What we are trying to find out are answers to the "slander" questions.
For instance (to go along with the thread and citizenship) our President elect should be able to tell the American people that - he was 5 years old when he moved to Indonesia with his mom and step dad, he was offically or unofficially adopted by his step dad and took the name Barry Soetoro which is why when he went to school there he was registered has a Indonesian citizen. He moved back to Hawaii when he was 10. Yes many American people may not expect there future Pres. to have lived abroad as he has when he was a young child but it has made his outlook on foreign countries much more open minded. --- Something along those lines would be great!!
I've had enough. **** is insane.
good luck to both men.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by twiceasnice
Sorry I am not wrong about Clearance. If you have the ability to get citizenship in another country and not actually have (per se your parent was born in Ireland) - You must denounce that also.
What we are trying to find out are answers to the "slander" questions.
For instance (to go along with the thread and citizenship) our President elect should be able to tell the American people that - he was 5 years old when he moved to Indonesia with his mom and step dad, he was offically or unofficially adopted by his step dad and took the name Barry Soetoro which is why when he went to school there he was registered has a Indonesian citizen. He moved back to Hawaii when he was 10. Yes many American people may not expect there future Pres. to have lived abroad as he has when he was a young child but it has made his outlook on foreign countries much more open minded. --- Something along those lines would be great!!
wow...I have been cleared by the good ol Fed...as have a lot of other people...to work for the govt...that were able to maintain citizenship.
the US gov doesn't RECOGNIZE it, but that is a different story.
for higher levels of clearance, it IS required. but not all.
I guess I am crazy...bC I care as much about that as I do about mcCains time in Panama.
Well I am assumming the President of the US will have a much higher clearance than a government job and the ones that I have experience with are the ones I hope he will have too.
And I do care because if it is no big deal then talk about it (like McCain did).
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by twiceasnice
For instance (to go along with the thread and citizenship) our President elect should be able to tell the American people that - he was 5 years old when he moved to Indonesia with his mom and step dad, he was offically or unofficially adopted by his step dad and took the name Barry Soetoro which is why when he went to school there he was registered has a Indonesian citizen. He moved back to Hawaii when he was 10. Yes many American people may not expect there future Pres. to have lived abroad as he has when he was a young child but it has made his outlook on foreign countries much more open minded. --- Something along those lines would be great!!
i don't recall him ever denying these things?  as a matter of fact, about two months ago, my aunt had a magazine that basically wrote ALL about Obama's life (i *think* it was Time mag, but not completely sure)
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by twiceasnice
For instance (to go along with the thread and citizenship) our President elect should be able to tell the American people that - he was 5 years old when he moved to Indonesia with his mom and step dad, he was offically or unofficially adopted by his step dad and took the name Barry Soetoro which is why when he went to school there he was registered has a Indonesian citizen. He moved back to Hawaii when he was 10. Yes many American people may not expect there future Pres. to have lived abroad as he has when he was a young child but it has made his outlook on foreign countries much more open minded. --- Something along those lines would be great!!
i don't recall him ever denying these things? as a matter of fact, about two months ago, my aunt had a magazine that basically wrote ALL about Obama's life (i *think* it was Time mag, but not completely sure)
I don't think he has ever denied these things but he hasn't discussed them. If he did everyone would stop speculating.
Growing up in different countries is not a bad thing, learning different religions is not bad either, as a child you have no control over where your parents make you live. This is the first time that the US has a candidate for President with a such a diverse background. I would think he would want to elaborate on his upbringing instead of let people file lawsuits against him.
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DKF1016
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Just a random side thought...do you think Obama would pass a FBI background check?
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by DKF1016
Just a random side thought...do you think Obama would pass a FBI background check?
Of course he would.
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Ophelia
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by DKF1016
Just a random side thought...do you think Obama would pass a FBI background check?
EVERY federal employee is subject to a background check.
you cannot work for the govt unless you are cleared. it takes MONTHS in some cases. it is very thorough, even for low level employees.
ETA: and you are subject to additional checks every 5 years.
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Re: Is this possibly true? Obama not being allowed to run?
Posted by twiceasnice
Sorry I am not wrong about Clearance. If you have the ability to get citizenship in another country and not actually have (per se your parent was born in Ireland) - You must denounce that also.
Sorry but you ARE wrong. If you show willingness to renounce it may mitigate any concerns over your allegiance, but you don't actually have to.
Google it - you'll find plenty of evidence.
Here's one site in particular
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