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nrthshgrl
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by medic6809
I don't disagree that going to church doesn't "make you good", but I believe the influence is there and after time you would want to be a part of something. I'm not saying it's right for everybody, but I think it's a good option for people to have. I also think it's very specific to the area. Where I live there are no temples, no mosques. It's just not what we have. We are an old Polish Roman Catholic, German Lutheran town. Like I said I think it's a good option, and as an option it's not for everybody. I guess it comes down to you can either go to jail and have free food, cable, and "social opportunities", pay a fine, or go to church for a year. Not everybody will choose church, but I have no problems if you did.
If going to church doesn't make you a good person, then this sounds like a
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by evrythng4areason
eh they have three choices
1. jail
2. pay a fine
3. go to church
they get to choose their church
there's no other religious institutions in the area
it is a choice, and prison's also offer a religious component to them-how is that any different? they're not being forced to go, they're having the option
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think of how much money that will save their gvt..
I completely agree with you. I don't want to engage in a religious debate with anyone since it gets people nowhere, but I don't see anything dreadfully wrong with this plan.
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| Posted 9/27/11 3:30 PM |
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BellaBoo
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by DirtyBlonde
I wish George Carlin were alive to get his hands on this.
Sorry folks, I think religion is a crock of **** - and this idea is foolish.
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Shelly
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
I find this very disturbing. It seems to me that the goal is somewhat more about coversion than finding a community. The article says go to CHURCH- not the religious institution of your choice. What if a Jewish/Hindu/Muslim/Sikh/Buddist/Wiccan person committed the crime? Can they go to their respective religion's house of worship or does it have to be church too?
While people cry up in arms that everyone is too politically correct these days- its because sometimes some people forget that this country was founded on an idea of religious freedom. To elevate one religion over another goes blatently against the terms of the constitution- for good reason. America doesn't have a national religion- however this law seems to forget that.
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
I agree that this isn't the GREATEST idea, but I don't think it's all that bad.
I am not religious at all and I could be wrong, but it seems like to me, this town in Alabama is predominately Christian; So I don't think the church only option is a big deal for most people there. I'm not sure how many Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. live in that small Alabama town. I understand there could be Atheists and Agnostics though.
While I don't really agree with the idea mostly because it's unconstitutional, it may be a good solution for that town. And since this wouldn't apply to murders, rapists, and that like I think it's a little less harmless.
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Is it bad that I don't care? I often wonder.
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -Benjamin Franklin
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browneyedgirl
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
this is sickening to me. separation of church and state is there for a reason.
i, for one, would choose the fine and criminal record. no one will ever make me go to a church that i don't believe in to pray to a god that i don't believe in. many people wouldn't be able to afford it though, and that isn't right.
if it were a religious institution of my choice, maybe. i'd find some type of agnostic group. but church? no way!! that's punishment for me.
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Honestly, I am religious, but I do not agree with this. If someone commits a crime (violent or non-violent) against me or someone in my family they BETTER do some jail time. Why not offer them religious counsel in prison if they think it will rehabilitate.
I think the flaw with the prison system is that it does not work. We need to find what works, but we also need to uphold justice for ALL.
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by medic6809
I don't disagree that going to church doesn't "make you good", but I believe the influence is there and after time you would want to be a part of something. I'm not saying it's right for everybody, but I think it's a good option for people to have. I also think it's very specific to the area. Where I live there are no temples, no mosques. It's just not what we have. We are an old Polish Roman Catholic, German Lutheran town. Like I said I think it's a good option, and as an option it's not for everybody. I guess it comes down to you can either go to jail and have free food, cable, and "social opportunities", pay a fine, or go to church for a year. Not everybody will choose church, but I have no problems if you did.
If going to church doesn't make you a good person, then this sounds like a
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I think that in certain places it is a good idea. Will it be abused yes, but it is an option. I stand behind what I said...I like it and think it would work for some people.
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
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Posted by medic6809
I honestly don't know how you could go to church EVERY SINGLE Sunday and NOT make relationships with people and have that NOT effect you in a good way.
Not everyone 'believes' the same way and not everyone who goes to church is a good person. Really.
Posted by medic6809
... While most of you are buying Fendi, and driving BMW's, theya re using the bridge caard and driving a rust bucket because that's what they can afford. It's not a slam to anybody, but just a reality check that not everybody has the saame things many of you do. I have said it before and i'll say it again....my 1st trip to the fashion board on here was a wake up call that I wasn't in Michigan anymore.
what on earth does this have to do with anyone having an opinion on this topic one way or the other??
Talk about sweeping generalizations..
Come on you are an educated person, and i'm not some lurker on here so do you really think I ment this as a slam? Let's be honest......nothing I wrote about where we live is wrong, and it DOES matter. I love LIF just as much as the next person but sometimes it's important to keep in mind that we are all not like most, not all, of the people in LI. That's not a bad thing, it's just the truth, and it does matter. Maybe in this town in Alabama they are poverty stricken and most can't pay a fine, and made a mistake. Maybe this is what they need! We're talking about a mis. not a felony. I think why not try it?
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emilylives
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by medic6809
Posted by Otherme
Posted by medic6809
I honestly don't know how you could go to church EVERY SINGLE Sunday and NOT make relationships with people and have that NOT effect you in a good way.
Not everyone 'believes' the same way and not everyone who goes to church is a good person. Really.
Posted by medic6809
... While most of you are buying Fendi, and driving BMW's, theya re using the bridge caard and driving a rust bucket because that's what they can afford. It's not a slam to anybody, but just a reality check that not everybody has the saame things many of you do. I have said it before and i'll say it again....my 1st trip to the fashion board on here was a wake up call that I wasn't in Michigan anymore.
what on earth does this have to do with anyone having an opinion on this topic one way or the other??
Talk about sweeping generalizations..
Come on you are an educated person, and i'm not some lurker on here so do you really think I ment this as a slam? Let's be honest......nothing I wrote about where we live is wrong, and it DOES matter. I love LIF just as much as the next person but sometimes it's important to keep in mind that we are all not like most, not all, of the people in LI. That's not a bad thing, it's just the truth, and it does matter. Maybe in this town in Alabama they are poverty stricken and most can't pay a fine, and made a mistake. Maybe this is what they need! We're talking about a mis. not a felony. I think why not try it?
If they're poverty stricken, then they are choosing between jailtime and church. Do you not see why that goes directly against the separation of church and state? Yes, it's a choice, but when the only options are jailtime/criminal record or going to church, that's not much of a choice. I understand that this idea intuitively makes sense to people, but that doesn't mean that it is permitted by our constitution.
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by MamaLeen
This is very disturbing to me. 
Couldn't agree more. Very disturbing. Way to separate church and state. Good grief!!
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by emilylives
Posted by medic6809
Posted by Otherme
Posted by medic6809
I honestly don't know how you could go to church EVERY SINGLE Sunday and NOT make relationships with people and have that NOT effect you in a good way.
Not everyone 'believes' the same way and not everyone who goes to church is a good person. Really.
Posted by medic6809
... While most of you are buying Fendi, and driving BMW's, theya re using the bridge caard and driving a rust bucket because that's what they can afford. It's not a slam to anybody, but just a reality check that not everybody has the saame things many of you do. I have said it before and i'll say it again....my 1st trip to the fashion board on here was a wake up call that I wasn't in Michigan anymore.
what on earth does this have to do with anyone having an opinion on this topic one way or the other??
Talk about sweeping generalizations..
Come on you are an educated person, and i'm not some lurker on here so do you really think I ment this as a slam? Let's be honest......nothing I wrote about where we live is wrong, and it DOES matter. I love LIF just as much as the next person but sometimes it's important to keep in mind that we are all not like most, not all, of the people in LI. That's not a bad thing, it's just the truth, and it does matter. Maybe in this town in Alabama they are poverty stricken and most can't pay a fine, and made a mistake. Maybe this is what they need! We're talking about a mis. not a felony. I think why not try it?
If they're poverty stricken, then they are choosing between jailtime and church. Do you not see why that goes directly against the separation of church and state? Yes, it's a choice, but when the only options are jailtime/criminal record or going to church, that's not much of a choice. I understand that this idea intuitively makes sense to people, but that doesn't mean that it is permitted by our constitution.
I'm not saying it's constitutional or should actually happen, all i'm saying is I think it's good idea in theory. Lots of things sound like good ideas but never make it to actual implimentation.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time
Posted by medic6809
Come on you are an educated person, and i'm not some lurker on here so do you really think I ment this as a slam? Let's be honest......nothing I wrote about where we live is wrong, and it DOES matter. I love LIF just as much as the next person but sometimes it's important to keep in mind that we are all not like most, not all, of the people in LI. That's not a bad thing, it's just the truth, and it does matter. Maybe in this town in Alabama they are poverty stricken and most can't pay a fine, and made a mistake. Maybe this is what they need! We're talking about a mis. not a felony. I think why not try it?
First, it's not a slam to make a statement that because someone carries a designer handbag or has a luxury card they have their heads up their arses & aren't aware of the poverty?
" Maybe in this town in Alabama they are poverty stricken and most can't pay a fine, and made a mistake." It's a misdemeanor not a mistake. That means that some judge ruled it was not a mistake. You cannot excuse crimes with the "they were poor excuse".
There are many reasons why this idea is horrible - the main being separation of church & state must be maintained. The other one I see is if you commit a crime, you pay the penalty for it. As much as my children would disagree with this, going to church is not a punishment.
If they did jail time/paid the fine & then wanted to make a condition of the parole community service (which can be conducted through a church/temple/mosque)for a year, then I would agree to it.
btw, I know your mind is set on that it's a good idea I'm just disagreeing with your arguments. (not thinking you'd change your mind here).
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