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RainyDay
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Kids and school
Some keep saying that their kid's mental state is one of the reasons they want their kids to go back to school. Do you still think their mental state will improve having to socially distance while in school? I just think for some it might be a little more traumatizing then doing remote learning.
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Re: Kids and school
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
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nycbuslady
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Kids and school
My daughter is going into 7th grade. She's actually fine with the mask. I think she needs to be in school more for the routine. Plus, I'm sure she'll learn more in school.
But, not that we've been totally ignoring social distancing, but she's been seeing two of her friends a couple of days each week. And, the local pool has opened, so we've been going. I feel like we're almost living life as "normal", so she might as well go to school.
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ali120206
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
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GoldenRod
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Kids and school
My 14 yo DD is going to summer school, and with the optional masks in class, and mandatory masks when moving around, she is in a much better mood in general being able to see teachers and classmates in person. She wasn't doing well with the virtual/Zoom classes.
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Re: Kids and school
My kids are going to 6th and 8th and for their emotional well-being yes, they need peers. We have the same two friends we have been seeing in our backyard. We got a blow up spa pool so they swim together. It has honestly been the only thing keeping them happy. Playing on line, virtual camp, and zoom is not enough at this age. They are fine wearing masks too,
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by LSP2005
My kids are going to 6th and 8th and for their emotional well-being yes, they need peers. We have the same two friends we have been seeing in our backyard. We got a blow up spa pool so they swim together. It has honestly been the only thing keeping them happy. Playing on line, virtual camp, and zoom is not enough at this age. They are fine wearing masks too,
Yesss!!! I started to notice my almost 9 year old was becoming withdrawn and super moody. I think it's the stupid video games! When he's out with his friends, he is his normal self. I have had to significantly curtail the video games.
To the OP, My oldest will definitely benefit from the routine of it all and he will adapt fine to the social distancing. My two little ones are newbies so they won't know any different.
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MrsT809
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Kids and school
My 8yo will be fine although she's disappointed about not being able to socialize with friends outside her class during lunch and recess. She also did fine with distance learning so I don't really worry about her either way.
My 5yo fought distance learning and did not appreciate me suddenly being her kindergarten teacher. While I would love her her to be with a class instead, I do worry about her handling all the guidelines. She's extremely shy and sensitive so the thought of her sitting alone 6 feet from peers and handling her teacher teaching from behind a mask worries me. I honestly don't know how she'll handle that at all.
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
I keep seeing people say 25 kids per class. I was under the impression that will not be allowed? I thought that was the whole point of NYC announcing hybrid. I've just assumed kids would he either hybrid, or temp classrooms would be set up in gyms and cafeterias, specials rooms, etc.
But, I also admit I have only been paying attention to what my school, and my children's school has been saying, so i could be completely off base.
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Re: Kids and school
I notice a huge difference when my child gets out of the house and actually got to spend time with kids around his age this weekend.
I never thought homeschooling was good for kids but I understand now they are more social with getting out of the house and meeting and doing things with others their own ages.
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
I keep seeing people say 25 kids per class. I was under the impression that will not be allowed? I thought that was the whole point of NYC announcing hybrid. I've just assumed kids would he either hybrid, or temp classrooms would be set up in gyms and cafeterias, specials rooms, etc.
But, I also admit I have only been paying attention to what my school, and my children's school has been saying, so i could be completely off base.
Our school is having A and B alternating days so only half the classes are in school on any day and they will only be 4hr days so they won't have lunch. So I don't really see how much better this scenario is then them remote learning. Its not guaranteed that they will even be in same session as friends and it leaves very little room for any type of interaction.
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by LSP2005
My kids are going to 6th and 8th and for their emotional well-being yes, they need peers. We have the same two friends we have been seeing in our backyard. We got a blow up spa pool so they swim together. It has honestly been the only thing keeping them happy. Playing on line, virtual camp, and zoom is not enough at this age. They are fine wearing masks too,
Yesss!!! I started to notice my almost 9 year old was becoming withdrawn and super moody. I think it's the stupid video games! When he's out with his friends, he is his normal self. I have had to significantly curtail the video games.
To the OP, My oldest will definitely benefit from the routine of it all and he will adapt fine to the social distancing. My two little ones are newbies so they won't know any different.
OMG yes. My sweet, happy, well adjusted child had started to turn into a moody, depressed, nasty person I did not recognize.
She was such a good student- by the end of the "distance learning" nonsense she hated school, hated to read, and fought me tooth and nail to do ANYTHING academic. It scared the crap out of me.
The harm being locked at home with no social interaction did to her at this age was astounding.
Masks and social distancing are the norm when we go out now anyway, so she's had plenty of time to get used to it.
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
I keep seeing people say 25 kids per class. I was under the impression that will not be allowed? I thought that was the whole point of NYC announcing hybrid. I've just assumed kids would he either hybrid, or temp classrooms would be set up in gyms and cafeterias, specials rooms, etc.
But, I also admit I have only been paying attention to what my school, and my children's school has been saying, so i could be completely off base.
Our school is having A and B alternating days so only half the classes are in school on any day and they will only be 4hr days so they won't have lunch. So I don't really see how much better this scenario is then them remote learning. Its not guaranteed that they will even be in same session as friends and it leaves very little room for any type of interaction.
It's better because they are able to get up, get dressed, get out of the house, be taught by a live person, and see other kids- regardless if those kids are their friends or not.
I'd take that - or anything other than being home in the house staring at a computer all day with no human interaction for another full year- in a heartbeat
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Naturalmama
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Kids and school
It won't be any different for some children. For my children, anything is better than sitting home, on a computer for hours. My 9 year old needs the structure and routine more than anything else. He knows school will look different, he knows about the masks, the hybrid, the no specials, etc. He told me he wouldn't care if he was only with one other kid and the teacher- he just wants to be able to go to school and see his teacher.
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
I keep seeing people say 25 kids per class. I was under the impression that will not be allowed? I thought that was the whole point of NYC announcing hybrid. I've just assumed kids would he either hybrid, or temp classrooms would be set up in gyms and cafeterias, specials rooms, etc.
But, I also admit I have only been paying attention to what my school, and my children's school has been saying, so i could be completely off base.
Our school is having A and B alternating days so only half the classes are in school on any day and they will only be 4hr days so they won't have lunch. So I don't really see how much better this scenario is then them remote learning. Its not guaranteed that they will even be in same session as friends and it leaves very little room for any type of interaction.
It's better because they are able to get up, get dressed, get out of the house, be taught by a live person, and see other kids- regardless if those kids are their friends or not.
I'd take that - or anything other than being home in the house staring at a computer all day with no human interaction for another full year- in a heartbeat
I mean, I prefer no human interaction on a whole and consider the lack of social obligations to be the silver lining of COVID, but that’s exactly why my DD needs to go to school. So she doesn’t end up like me.
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Funkybutt
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Kids and school
Not sure how widely shared this is on FB, but this is an interesting point of view:
A therapist’s perspective has been absent regarding children’s mental health in the debate to open schools or not. This is posted with permission from a therapist in Maryland, Jean Ann, LCMFT, RPT, CFPT.
As a child and family therapist, I strongly disagree with the arguments that "schools should reopen for children's emotional health". No version of this situation is good for children's mental well-being, so we are choosing between bad situations here. Calls to open up schools are shorted sighted and illogical. Here are some things bad for emotional health about reopening:
- Children experiencing so much more death of their loved ones, friend's loved ones, and community members.
- Having to obey rigid and developmentally inappropriate behavioral expectations to maintain social distancing for hours at a time.
- Restricting their engagement with their peers even though those peers are right in front of them.
- Having to constantly actively participate in cleaning rituals that keep their community trauma present with them
- Somehow having to have the executive functioning within all of this to meet educational standards and possibly experiencing overwhelm, shame, and self-doubt when they reasonably can't
- Being unable to receive age appropriate comfort from teachers and staff when dysregulated from all of this, thereby experiencing attachment injuries daily.
- Lack of any predictability as COVID takes staff members for weeks at a time with no warning while children wonder if that staff will die as well as the looming threat of going to back into quarantine any random day
Returning to school as things are now is NOT better for children's mental health. It is a complete rationalization by people who are uncomfortable with children not engaging in productivity culture. The majority of schooling NEEDS to stay virtual to protect our children and teachers and to make room for the safe return of the populations of students who actually do need to be in person.
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NervousNell
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
I keep seeing people say 25 kids per class. I was under the impression that will not be allowed? I thought that was the whole point of NYC announcing hybrid. I've just assumed kids would he either hybrid, or temp classrooms would be set up in gyms and cafeterias, specials rooms, etc.
But, I also admit I have only been paying attention to what my school, and my children's school has been saying, so i could be completely off base.
Our school is having A and B alternating days so only half the classes are in school on any day and they will only be 4hr days so they won't have lunch. So I don't really see how much better this scenario is then them remote learning. Its not guaranteed that they will even be in same session as friends and it leaves very little room for any type of interaction.
It's better because they are able to get up, get dressed, get out of the house, be taught by a live person, and see other kids- regardless if those kids are their friends or not.
I'd take that - or anything other than being home in the house staring at a computer all day with no human interaction for another full year- in a heartbeat
I mean, I prefer no human interaction on a whole and consider the lack of social obligations to be the silver lining of COVID, but that’s exactly why my DD needs to go to school. So she doesn’t end up like me.
Um same, 100%
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NervousNell
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by Funkybutt
Not sure how widely shared this is on FB, but this is an interesting point of view:
A therapist’s perspective has been absent regarding children’s mental health in the debate to open schools or not. This is posted with permission from a therapist in Maryland, Jean Ann, LCMFT, RPT, CFPT.
As a child and family therapist, I strongly disagree with the arguments that "schools should reopen for children's emotional health". No version of this situation is good for children's mental well-being, so we are choosing between bad situations here. Calls to open up schools are shorted sighted and illogical. Here are some things bad for emotional health about reopening:
- Children experiencing so much more death of their loved ones, friend's loved ones, and community members.
- Having to obey rigid and developmentally inappropriate behavioral expectations to maintain social distancing for hours at a time.
- Restricting their engagement with their peers even though those peers are right in front of them.
- Having to constantly actively participate in cleaning rituals that keep their community trauma present with them
- Somehow having to have the executive functioning within all of this to meet educational standards and possibly experiencing overwhelm, shame, and self-doubt when they reasonably can't
- Being unable to receive age appropriate comfort from teachers and staff when dysregulated from all of this, thereby experiencing attachment injuries daily.
- Lack of any predictability as COVID takes staff members for weeks at a time with no warning while children wonder if that staff will die as well as the looming threat of going to back into quarantine any random day
Returning to school as things are now is NOT better for children's mental health. It is a complete rationalization by people who are uncomfortable with children not engaging in productivity culture. The majority of schooling NEEDS to stay virtual to protect our children and teachers and to make room for the safe return of the populations of students who actually do need to be in person.
This therapist has not met or had any personal interaction with my child, trust me.
I know my child.
I know what this has done to her mental health.
Just another opinion piece.
I am sure I can find other therapists who disagree with her opinion.
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Funkybutt
Not sure how widely shared this is on FB, but this is an interesting point of view:
A therapist’s perspective has been absent regarding children’s mental health in the debate to open schools or not. This is posted with permission from a therapist in Maryland, Jean Ann, LCMFT, RPT, CFPT.
As a child and family therapist, I strongly disagree with the arguments that "schools should reopen for children's emotional health". No version of this situation is good for children's mental well-being, so we are choosing between bad situations here. Calls to open up schools are shorted sighted and illogical. Here are some things bad for emotional health about reopening:
- Children experiencing so much more death of their loved ones, friend's loved ones, and community members.
- Having to obey rigid and developmentally inappropriate behavioral expectations to maintain social distancing for hours at a time.
- Restricting their engagement with their peers even though those peers are right in front of them.
- Having to constantly actively participate in cleaning rituals that keep their community trauma present with them
- Somehow having to have the executive functioning within all of this to meet educational standards and possibly experiencing overwhelm, shame, and self-doubt when they reasonably can't
- Being unable to receive age appropriate comfort from teachers and staff when dysregulated from all of this, thereby experiencing attachment injuries daily.
- Lack of any predictability as COVID takes staff members for weeks at a time with no warning while children wonder if that staff will die as well as the looming threat of going to back into quarantine any random day
Returning to school as things are now is NOT better for children's mental health. It is a complete rationalization by people who are uncomfortable with children not engaging in productivity culture. The majority of schooling NEEDS to stay virtual to protect our children and teachers and to make room for the safe return of the populations of students who actually do need to be in person.
This therapist has not met or had any personal interaction with my child, trust me.
I know my child.
I know what this has done to her mental health.
Just another opinion piece.
I am sure I can find other therapists who disagree with her opinion.
Right there with you.
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Funkybutt
Not sure how widely shared this is on FB, but this is an interesting point of view:
A therapist’s perspective has been absent regarding children’s mental health in the debate to open schools or not. This is posted with permission from a therapist in Maryland, Jean Ann, LCMFT, RPT, CFPT.
As a child and family therapist, I strongly disagree with the arguments that "schools should reopen for children's emotional health". No version of this situation is good for children's mental well-being, so we are choosing between bad situations here. Calls to open up schools are shorted sighted and illogical. Here are some things bad for emotional health about reopening:
- Children experiencing so much more death of their loved ones, friend's loved ones, and community members.
- Having to obey rigid and developmentally inappropriate behavioral expectations to maintain social distancing for hours at a time.
- Restricting their engagement with their peers even though those peers are right in front of them.
- Having to constantly actively participate in cleaning rituals that keep their community trauma present with them
- Somehow having to have the executive functioning within all of this to meet educational standards and possibly experiencing overwhelm, shame, and self-doubt when they reasonably can't
- Being unable to receive age appropriate comfort from teachers and staff when dysregulated from all of this, thereby experiencing attachment injuries daily.
- Lack of any predictability as COVID takes staff members for weeks at a time with no warning while children wonder if that staff will die as well as the looming threat of going to back into quarantine any random day
Returning to school as things are now is NOT better for children's mental health. It is a complete rationalization by people who are uncomfortable with children not engaging in productivity culture. The majority of schooling NEEDS to stay virtual to protect our children and teachers and to make room for the safe return of the populations of students who actually do need to be in person.
This therapist has not met or had any personal interaction with my child, trust me.
I know my child.
I know what this has done to her mental health.
Just another opinion piece.
I am sure I can find other therapists who disagree with her opinion.
Agreed, this is just one therapist’s opinion- my good friend is a therapist and decided to send her children to camp based on the changes in their behavior since being home for nearly four months.
You can find an expert who supports all scenarios.
My daughter is 6 and has no issue wearing a mask. She understands the reasoning behind it and does her best to only touch the elastic ear loops. She asks every day when school is going to open again.
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ali120206
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Re: Kids and school
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
No for my daughter- she's 10- anything will be an improvement from being home. She understands masks and distancing at this age and she's fine with it.
She just needs to be in a classroom and in some kind of routine...even if it's a different one.
Staying home all the time has affected her in so many ways and it really worries me.
Same - except I have 10 and 8 year old sons.
It also sounds like masks will only have to be worn when you can't distance (hallways, busses, etc)...
You can’t socially distance in a classroom so they will be required then as well if classes are normal size. I have 25-30 students per class. The desks side to side are maybe 2 feet apart. Front to back, zero feet. They literally touch.
I’m going off of a hybrid schedule - since they are reducing class sizes and using alternate days, they should be able to distance appropriately. This is what all of my teacher friends say is likely.
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Kids and school
My kids are at daycare and there are not social distancing policies. I am afraid when school starts they will have a tough time adjusting to social distancing and masks. They will be in kindergarten and 2nd grade in September
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Re: Kids and school
Mental state will definitely improve! The kids miss their friends. As for masks, I remember how weirded out I was in the beginning, but it is totally normal now. I think they'll get over the mask issue quickly. They need social interaction with the teachers also. There is a lot to be said for in person learning. Our kids are already so overexposed to electronics.
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Katareen
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Kids and school
Obviously I’m the odd man out, but I think my kids will be really unhappy.
My older understands the rules but after being in “normal” school for 5+ years, I think she’ll be upset to basically have to sit in the same seat for 6 hours and not interact with anyone. Her best friend could be sitting across the room every day and she is never able to speak to her.
My little one I think will be terrified. She had a hard time adjusting last year to a normal FUN school year. This will be the complete opposite.
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