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neenie
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
i believe in both. I've seen medicine work and current research also shows a positive relationship between faith and healing- that it helps the progress (the findings are also significant).
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by azoodie
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I would like to believe that God had involvement in the evolution process, if that makes sense. He was the one that brought it into being, that made it all work. Without Him, there would be nothing...just a bunch of rocks floating around in space. I would just like to believe that He is responsible for all life.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Why is this so wrong? There is nothing wrong with thinking evolution is logical and still want there to be more to it.
What do you mean why is it so wrong? The majority of people responding to the first thread on this subject indicated that they felt this way... MOST of us aren't making it faith vs. science. You, however, are.
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Heres an honest question - I am glad that someone here can answer it...
Why can't religious people believe that God oversees evolution? So if things are evolving, mutating, whatever, its all a part of God's plan?
I think the majority of us do feel that way. Most of the people who have been responding to these threads have been saying this, but apparently no noe has been listening.
That doesn't change the fact that we believe in someone else's right to believe in creationism.
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HUH!?
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JenniferEver
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by MrsERod
HUH!?
Yeah they are pretty confused over at Fox News.
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
I really enjoyed the writings of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit priest from the first half of last century. He was a paleontologist and geologist, and his writings tied his understanding of God to his knowledge of evolution. It's been a while since I read his books, but from what I remember he believed that we are evolving toward a goal, an Omega Point, which is a perfect union with God. Personally I like this theory because it makes evolution seem more purposeful and almost spiritual.
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neenie
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by JenniferEver
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HUH!?
Yeah they are pretty confused over at Fox News.
Of course they are- they have different beliefs than you. 
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azoodie, as a scientist I think you'll find this....interesting.
I just got an email about a new peer-reviewed scientific journal. The mission of the journal is to "provide scientists and students the results of cutting-edge research that demonstrates the validity of the young-earth model, the global Flood, the non-evolutionary origin of 'created kinds,' and other evidences that are consistent with the biblical account of origins."
Three papers have been published so far. I'm digging the one about how germs fit into the biblical context...
Answers Research Journal
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hope2bamom
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
I posted this on the last thread, but it was too late I think. Since we are still not understanding why some people don't believe in Evolution I will post it again.
Sorry if it is a re-read for some:
There are some Christians that believe that the Bible IS Gods word spoken to the prophets. Basically the persons hand was Gods pencil. Thus, the Bible is perfect.
If the these people believe that the Bible is perfect, then why would they not believe in the creation story? And if they choose not to believe in creation, then what else can they CHOOSE not to believe in.
Personally, I feel these people of FAITH are admirable. I may not believe in what they do, but I find they devotion to Gods word inspiring.
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by neenie
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by MrsERod
HUH!?
Yeah they are pretty confused over at Fox News.
Of course they are- they have different beliefs than you.
Then I guess you are confused too! 
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JenniferEver
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
QUOTE]Posted by JessieQ
I really enjoyed the writings of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit priest from the first half of last century. He was a paleontologist and geologist, and his writings tied his understanding of God to his knowledge of evolution. It's been a while since I read his books, but from what I remember he believed that we are evolving toward a goal, an Omega Point, which is a perfect union with God. Personally I like this theory because it makes evolution seem more purposeful and almost spiritual.
Also if you look at the 7 day creation model the order is the same as scientists believe animals evolved,
sea creatures, then land animals, then humans.
Owing to the belief that Evolution and the Creation story are not mutually exclusive.
I think there is a misdefinition in terms. I think, and I shouldn't speak for Azad, that we are not saying that people who Do reconcile science and faith need to make a separation, but we're referring to people who completely reject the scientific evidence and follow only by faith, thereby making a distinction between two disparate worlds. We are arguing that they don't have to be separate worlds.
And yes there are creation "scientists" but most of mainstream science rejects creationism.
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neenie
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who is arguing that both don't exist? Almost ALL of the responses here are saying that they do. 
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neenie
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JenniferEver
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by neenie
who is arguing that both don't exist? Almost ALL of the responses here are saying that they do.
EXACTLY
That's what me and Azoodie are saying. You keep posting the thread to disagree with us, yet you are all actually AGREEING with us.
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neenie
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by neenie
who is arguing that both don't exist? Almost ALL of the responses here are saying that they do.
EXACTLY
That's what me and Azoodie are saying. You keep posting the thread to disagree with us, yet you are all actually AGREEING with us.
Really, i have no clue what you're talking about. I missed the first thread, i've only seen this one, and for the question posed here, the answers were all the same- that people believe in both. I dont know what "intellectual battle" you think you're fighting, nor do i know who you think you're fighting it with, but your posts are just not making sense.
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neenie
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
Posted by JenniferEver
You keep posting the thread to disagree with us, yet you are all actually AGREEING with us.
This was the question...
Posted by azoodie
Does anyone here actually believe that evolution does NOT exist?
This was MY answer... (similar to that of everyone else).
Posted by neenie
i believe in both. I've seen medicine work and current research also shows a positive relationship between faith and healing- that it helps the progress (the findings are also significant).
So please tell me WHO is posting here to disagree?
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
please
make.it.stop.
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igottabeme
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seriously you guys, my brain is fried.
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Re: Let's try this one a different way....
WHY dont I see the people who believe it DOESNT exist explaining why they believe this. Just faith? Or dispute or try to the Evolution evidence. Im seriously curious as to why one believes that and I dont see anyone really explaining why so we can see both sides of the story.....
eta- An answer besides faith. Because Faith has you foloowing the bible but I have yet to find a person alive who believe sthe bible is word for word truth, so thats a lack of faith in itself no?
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Posted by dm24angel
WHY dont I see the people who believe it DOESNT exist explaining why they believe this. Just faith? Or dispute or try to the Evolution evidence. Im seriously curious as to why one believes that and I dont see anyone really explaining why so we can see both sides of the story.....
Because you can't explain it. The answer is, because its what I believe. And people have said that and been asked- why? And there is no "why" to that.
How do you explain something that you believe without proof (the definition of faith)? Why do you believe in your religion?
You can't explain your faith, which is why it is faith.
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azoodie
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Posted by bird382
azoodie, as a scientist I think you'll find this....interesting.
I just got an email about a new peer-reviewed scientific journal. The mission of the journal is to "provide scientists and students the results of cutting-edge research that demonstrates the validity of the young-earth model, the global Flood, the non-evolutionary origin of 'created kinds,' and other evidences that are consistent with the biblical account of origins."
Three papers have been published so far. I'm digging the one about how germs fit into the biblical context...
Answers Research Journal
Ahhhhhhhh yes I have heard about this journal. Yesterday just happened to be Darwin Day here at stony brook - no kidding! 
I am sure people will not like me saying this but here is my problem with this "peer-reviewed" journal. It's still not science. Science and religion are two separate things. Sorry to say but creationism is not science. Scienctists observe nature and ask TESTABLE questions about the natural world. That is done through experiments. Creationist arguments are based on believes about something outside this natural world.
A lot of questions about evolution asked by creationists can be answered by already established scientific data.
ETS: This is just another example of why creationism does not belong in the science classroom
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Posted by MrsERod
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make.it.stop.
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I have to agree.
this is baffling. it's like chinese water torture.
Tell me, tell me, what do you see?
Tell me, tell me, what's wrong with me
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azoodie
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If you don't like it don't read it...plain and simple 
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