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katiebug
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by LittleBlueBug
There is a little misconception re CIO as you are just putting baby in crib and walking away, which isn't the case. You time the crying and go in for a min at intervals to give re-assuring pats, etc. My ped said that we could do it at that time because it is emotionally healthy for both you and baby. We started with naps around your DC's age.
I have no problem at all with CIO. My parents did it with all of the children and foster children in my house. The fact is, he is so overtired that even me holding him is not consoling to him. So I tried today to let him cry for a bit to see if he would go to sleep, 20 minutes later he will still crying, and I figured that was long enough for a 4 week old (almost 5 weeks).
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
I feel like if I let him he will eat non stop. It is the only thing that will make him stop crying, but then I got scolded and told no infant can eat that much.
OK well you could be talking about my DD. She was (and is) a hungry newborn and always wanted to eat and would just cry and never sleep. The doctor said not to go above 24 oz per day (8 bottles at 3 oz) but I increased to 4 oz and she was SO much happier! She gained over 2 pounds the first month so I was then worried, and when I called the doctor to tell him how much she was drinking (32 oz), he literally said that it wasn't possible because no baby her age could drink that much. BS! I was there, and she did!
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MAC222
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Sorry that you are going through this  .
From your posts it sounds as though he is hungry. I know that BF, baby calls the shots, and stops when he is done..
If you are formula feeding..you should feed him until he doesn't want anymore. Ds was taking 4-5 oz of formula at 4 weeks, and ped said to keep going if he wanted more. She just told me not to go over a certain amount in a day...maybe you can ask the dr that.
I obviously don't know if this is what the cause is..it just sounds that way.
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katiebug
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by ChilisWife
I feel like if I let him he will eat non stop. It is the only thing that will make him stop crying, but then I got scolded and told no infant can eat that much.
OK well you could be talking about my DD. She was (and is) a hungry newborn and always wanted to eat and would just cry and never sleep. The doctor said not to go above 24 oz per day (8 bottles at 3 oz) but I increased to 4 oz and she was SO much happier! She gained over 2 pounds the first month so I was then worried, and when I called the doctor to tell him how much she was drinking (32 oz), he literally said that it wasn't possible because no baby her age could drink that much. BS! I was there, and she did!
Yes! Everyone keeps telling me it is not possible for him to eat as much as he does. My milk supply cannot keep up with him, so I have no choice but to supplement. He once went through 9 oz of formula, and also breast fed in a 4 hour period. But every time i took the bottle or the breast away he would just scream. So I kept feeding him and when he was finally done he passed out asleep.
When I told the nurse this, she got upset with me and told me I over fed him and he was not suppose to eat like that.
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katiebug
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by MAC222
Sorry that you are going through this .
From your posts it sounds as though he is hungry. I know that BF, baby calls the shots, and stops when he is done..
If you are formula feeding..you should feed him until he doesn't want anymore. Ds was taking 4-5 oz of formula at 4 weeks, and ped said to keep going if he wanted more. She just told me not to go over a certain amount in a day...maybe you can ask the dr that.
I obviously don't know if this is what the cause is..it just sounds that way.
He is breast fed throughout the day, and would stay attached to me if I let him, which I did until I was told to stop allowing him to do that. He completely drains my breasts, and then I give him 2 oz of breast milk in a bottle on top of that.
He gets about 8 oz of formula a day, because at night I barely produce any breast milk.
I know he gets at least 3 oz from my breasts, and then the 2 additional, so 5 oz, but maybe I should try upping it to 3 additional oz?
I must have given birth to a lumberjack!
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by katiebug
Posted by ChilisWife
I feel like if I let him he will eat non stop. It is the only thing that will make him stop crying, but then I got scolded and told no infant can eat that much.
OK well you could be talking about my DD. She was (and is) a hungry newborn and always wanted to eat and would just cry and never sleep. The doctor said not to go above 24 oz per day (8 bottles at 3 oz) but I increased to 4 oz and she was SO much happier! She gained over 2 pounds the first month so I was then worried, and when I called the doctor to tell him how much she was drinking (32 oz), he literally said that it wasn't possible because no baby her age could drink that much. BS! I was there, and she did!
Yes! Everyone keeps telling me it is not possible for him to eat as much as he does. My milk supply cannot keep up with him, so I have no choice but to supplement. He once went through 9 oz of formula, and also breast fed in a 4 hour period. But every time i took the bottle or the breast away he would just scream. So I kept feeding him and when he was finally done he passed out asleep.
When I told the nurse this, she got upset with me and told me I over fed him and he was not suppose to eat like that.
I had a similar situation with my DS. He is 4 weeks now and eating 5-6oz about every 3-4 hours. I was starving the poor baby and had no idea. The 1st week he was eating 2oz, the 2nd week 3oz, the 3rd week 4oz and then I asked the ped bc he STILL seemed hungry she said I cant overfeed a newborn he can have up to 5oz at a feeding. He only gets another ounce if he is really hysterical and making his "hungry face", (opening his mouth like a baby bird). Now he's basically only eating 5oz, sometimes he falls asleep after 3oz but he is doing much better.
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by katiebug
Posted by Shelleybean11
 I'm so sorry Katie! Ezra was a colicky baby and extremely fussy too. Try and hang in there, it gets better!
ETA: have you tried the vacuum?
I haven't yet, since he won't let me put him down. Dumb question here, but do i just lay him in bed and vacuum the room?
The vaccum has worked for me lol! Put him down in something (swing, crib ect) let him fuss a little and then start vaccuming the room he is in. I can usually get the whole house done like this bc it puts Santino to sleep. Hang in there, it gets better
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
First of all
I don't have much to add but when we were having problems with DS I did read that sometimes reflux babies will eat and eat because they feel better when it's going down...once they stop eating it comes back up and causes discomfort.
Also, my ped completely disagrees with putting a limit on how much a newborn should eat. One of my DS (preemie) was eating 30 oz at 6 weeks and by 9 weeks was eating 40-42 oz a day. The ped told me to keep feeding - he'll spit up if he's overfed. At 11 weeks he's still only 10 pounds.
Good luck, I hope you have some relief soon. I know how hard it is, believe me.
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MAC222
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by katiebug
Posted by MAC222
Sorry that you are going through this .
From your posts it sounds as though he is hungry. I know that BF, baby calls the shots, and stops when he is done..
If you are formula feeding..you should feed him until he doesn't want anymore. Ds was taking 4-5 oz of formula at 4 weeks, and ped said to keep going if he wanted more. She just told me not to go over a certain amount in a day...maybe you can ask the dr that.
I obviously don't know if this is what the cause is..it just sounds that way.
He is breast fed throughout the day, and would stay attached to me if I let him, which I did until I was told to stop allowing him to do that. He completely drains my breasts, and then I give him 2 oz of breast milk in a bottle on top of that.
He gets about 8 oz of formula a day, because at night I barely produce any breast milk.
I know he gets at least 3 oz from my breasts, and then the 2 additional, so 5 oz, but maybe I should try upping it to 3 additional oz?
I must have given birth to a lumberjack!
That is crazy..I have never heard of denying the booby. I was told to let them drink until they are done. I would trust your mommy intuition..sounds like you know what he needs! You will get through this!
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beachgirl
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Sorry you are having a hard time I totally disagree that you could be feeding him too much..if he is hungry feed him. Have you tried the pacifier? Maybe try a few diffrent brands if he rejects one. Both my kids like the avent ones.
Are you watching the clock for his naps? he should be sleeping every 90 mins at this stage - watch the clock and when its getting near the 90mins feed him and wind him down. I used to hold DS in my arms and go to a quiet room and put a blanket around him and rub a corner of it on his face and speak softly to him or sing to him. He would always fall asleep...now he is older - 6mth its harder so I sometimes run the vacuum cleaner and he will nod off.
IMO he is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too young for any type of CIO. He needs you at this stage - is it exhausting? yes but before you know it he will be 6months and hopefully napping better.
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by katiebug
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do you have a bouncer? DS loves the vibrating of the bouncer and sleeps in it often. also try running the vacuum when DC cries it may calm them down and get them to sleep.
I just bought one that vibrates, and he lasts 20 minutes in it. best 20 minutes of my day at this point.
DS doesn't like the vibration of the bouncer, but he does like when we tap on it and bounce the seat up and down. We "bounce" him to sleep when he gets fussy.
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
Posted by katiebug
Posted by LittleBlueBug
If he was taking 6oz, could it be possible that he is just hungry? DS takes a lot too and was taking about 4-5oz at that age. He was totally unconsolable until we figure out he was still hungry. He may be overtired too. Did he spit up when he got more food? If he didn't, maybe he's just not satisfied.
My ped recommended that I put DS in his crib around that time to have "time to himself". He would cry for a few minutes and then fall asleep. Maybe try it. Babies can be so cranky when they are overtired.
I feel like if I let him he will eat non stop. It is the only thing that will make him stop crying, but then I got scolded and told no infant can eat that much.
I kept my ds on the boob 24/7 some days and was told by my wonderful ped this is just fine and he is the boss right now! Imo if he wants to eat a lot allow it, he needs it right now!
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
I wrote post after post like this about my DS. He NEVER slept, he could NEVER be put down, always had to be held. I tried every book, every suggestion you name it nothing worked but time. The older he got the better he got but, honestly, he never slept through the night until I did CIO at 10 months. One thing that helped a little was the positioner in the bassinet with an incline - b/f that I couldn't put him in it at all.
I always thought it was me - something I did or didn't do right. Now my DD is the EXACT opp - she sleeps all the time. So, I know it wasn't me - it was just him.
If its any consolation he is now a happy and super smart 2 year old!
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Katie111806
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Re: Major sleep issues....I need help
I am so sorry. I practically wrote the same post when my DS was brand new. It is so hard and I swear I was going to lose my mind, and the depression was very bad. I wondered why on earth I wanted babies and swore I would never have another. Here I am preggo with #2 a short time later, so I promise promise promise it gets better.
My DS did not nap during the day at all until he was 6 months old. He did sleep well at night from early on which was my only saving grace, but each day was worse than the next and I felt like I was barely functioning. I'd watch the clock all day waiting for DH to get home so I could hand him off for awhile. I totally know where you are coming from.
I do not believe you can overfeed a newborn. Feeding on demand is best at this age. If your instincts are telling you he needs more, you know best. Try upping the oz's and see if things are any better. I was insistent on EBFing and DS was just miserable. When I posted about it on here someone said it sounded like he was hungry...which is what my gut had been telling me all along but I didn't want to believe I wasn't producing enough. Sure enough, I introduced a bottle of formula a day and he was a different baby. I was starving the poor kid. Trust your gut!
Definitely also try the 5S's and when putting him down, try white noise. We used the static of a tv or radio (still do at 15 months) for some reason it just soothes. Does he seem gassy? Carry him on his belly around on your forearm and rub his back. Definitely try wearing him too - the movement seemed to help DS and he would occassionally nod off.
I agree with DRMom on checking the diaper for any allergies - there seems to be a growing issue with this and it can be helped with change in formula/medicine.
Above all, time will change this. At 6 months exactly, my DS turned into a snoozer. He started taking 2 two hour naps and sleeping 11-12 hours per night. This is still his schedule now. And he is now the happiest, most easy going kid...a far cry from the miserable newborn he was! Mommy is much happier too.
Sending you lots of hugs - please feel free to FM.
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