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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20 
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JenniferEver
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by JenniferEver
preclude
LOVE THIS WORD!
(I'm out of my mind)
nerd!
I love it more that you used it properly and not for the sake of sounding smart. That irks me more than not being able to make change.
I teach SAT. I have mad vocab skillz 
ETA: I have co-workers who do this. I think they do it because a lot of the fulltimers were once teachers so we all have relatively large vocabularies...so maybe they do it to try to fit in, but it's REALLY annoying.
The worst is one guy who uses "nonsequitur" (sp?) when he means "double entendre"
over and OVER again..
sad part: he actually does teach verbal skills. (then again maybe it's sad that I can't spell nonsequiter)
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by chmlengr
I see it all the time too. Like when my bill came out to $16.10 and I gave the cashier $21.10 and she handed me back the dollar and dime and said I gave her too much  I simply wanted a $5 bill in return.
I was just going to mention this scenario, it happens to me ALL THE TIME!
More than one person has simply given me back the "extra" money cause they just couldn't handle it.
Or attempted it but gave me back too much, the bills and then the change too. I give it back to them but its like 
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JenniferEver
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by rojerono
Posted by Goldi0218
I found this rather sad knowing that making change to $1 is about a 3rd grade skill.
It's actually a 1st grade skill. My son is 6 and he just finished a unit on coins and making change, etc..
The fact that my kid has learned this tells me that it IS being taught... but perhaps it is being taught too soon and not being reinforced? We are in such a hurry to get the basics done so we can move them on to calculators and computers that we don't spend enough time letting them really absorb the basics. Maybe?
Yeah I think it's taught and then glossed over after that. In their defense, when are HS kids EVER tested on the ability to make change or do long division? They aren't really.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by rojerono
Posted by Goldi0218
I found this rather sad knowing that making change to $1 is about a 3rd grade skill.
It's actually a 1st grade skill. My son is 6 and he just finished a unit on coins and making change, etc..
The fact that my kid has learned this tells me that it IS being taught... but perhaps it is being taught too soon and not being reinforced? We are in such a hurry to get the basics done so we can move them on to calculators and computers that we don't spend enough time letting them really absorb the basics. Maybe?
I stand corrected. Coins may be a first grade skill. I am not so sure about change from a 20, 50 and 100 dollar bill but you may be right. Certain grade levels teach. Alternate grade levels reinforce and extend.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20
3 pennies
1 nickel
3 quarters
1 single dollar bill
1 five dollar bill
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JenniferEver
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20
So the short answer is if you're a pizza delivery dude and you go to Don and Boosh's house, you can get yourself an AWESOME tip and no one will be the wiser 
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JessInCA
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by rojerono
It's actually a 1st grade skill. My son is 6 and he just finished a unit on coins and making change, etc..
The fact that my kid has learned this tells me that it IS being taught... but perhaps it is being taught too soon and not being reinforced?
Exactly. I spent SO much time teaching change when I taught 1st grade, it's maddening to think grown people can't do it. I think it's a basic life skill and shouldn't be tossed along the wayside as kids get older.
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Jax430
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20
3 pennies
1 nickel
3 quarters
1 single dollar bill
1 five dollar bill
If an item is 13.17 and Don gives me a 20, than
I get no change back, but HE gets 6.83.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Jax430
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20
3 pennies
1 nickel
3 quarters
1 single dollar bill
1 five dollar bill
If an item is 13.17 and Don gives me a 20, than
I get no change back, but HE gets 6.83.
BAAAAAAAAAH SEMANTICS!!!
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Jax430
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by Jax430
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20
3 pennies
1 nickel
3 quarters
1 single dollar bill
1 five dollar bill
If an item is 13.17 and Don gives me a 20, than
I get no change back, but HE gets 6.83.
BAAAAAAAAAH SEMANTICS!!!
I love the English language  Now, I want Don to come back and tell us which way he actually meant the question!
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
What about when something you bought comes out to 51, 43, etc cents and you give the cashier your dollar bills and 1 or 3 pennies (or however many) so you get silver change back and they look at you like you are crazy?
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Jennifer
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
I worked in retail as well. And the kids who were in high school would whip out a calculator. And it was even better if something came to an odd number and you gave the pennies so you could either get a nickel or dime back.
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MrsPowers
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by JenniferEver
I think part of it is the school system (though in general I hate blaming the school system). Kids are taught about digital clocks and calculators as a matter of procedure, and that's ok to use them if you have no clue, not that they should be used as a convenience and to ensure accuracy.
I have been tutoring HS kids for about 7 years. I can't tell you how many HS Juniors getting all A's in math are completely useless without the calculator. They will stare blankly and long division and multiplication and god forbid - percents!
These kids should not be getting A's in school and allowed to let the calculator do all the work.
An analogy to this is in the photography program at many colleges. Although digital is en vogue now and many many pros shoot digital, most programs still make you learn the basics on a non-automatic fi;m camera, and with old fashioned chemical silver halide printing. Because of this people have to have an intimate knowledge of the way things work, not just pushing buttons, and ultimately they are better photographers for it. It should be the same way with math, clocks, shorthand, etc...but it isn't.
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I disagree that digital clocks are taught in school. Every classroom in my school has an analog clock. Teachers do not teach students in digital.
As for calculators, I agree with you. But it starts way earlier than HS. In HS, most math courses require a scientific or graphic calculator and they are permitted to use one on the Regents exam. As for the basic mathematical functions, those are taught at the early grades.
Photography classes are taught in digital format but the kids still learn to develop their own film. Many professional photographers use a digital SLR camera in today's day.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by MrsPowers
Posted by JenniferEver
I think part of it is the school system (though in general I hate blaming the school system). Kids are taught about digital clocks and calculators as a matter of procedure, and that's ok to use them if you have no clue, not that they should be used as a convenience and to ensure accuracy.
I have been tutoring HS kids for about 7 years. I can't tell you how many HS Juniors getting all A's in math are completely useless without the calculator. They will stare blankly and long division and multiplication and god forbid - percents!
These kids should not be getting A's in school and allowed to let the calculator do all the work.
An analogy to this is in the photography program at many colleges. Although digital is en vogue now and many many pros shoot digital, most programs still make you learn the basics on a non-automatic fi;m camera, and with old fashioned chemical silver halide printing. Because of this people have to have an intimate knowledge of the way things work, not just pushing buttons, and ultimately they are better photographers for it. It should be the same way with math, clocks, shorthand, etc...but it isn't.
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I disagree that digital clocks are taught in school. Every classroom in my school has an analog clock. Teachers do not teach students in digital.
As for calculators, I agree with you. But it starts way earlier than HS. In HS, most math courses require a scientific or graphic calculator and they are permitted to use one on the Regents exam. As for the basic mathematical functions, those are taught at the early grades.
Photography classes are taught in digital format but the kids still learn to develop their own film. Many professional photographers use a digital SLR camera in today's day.
In my high school (full of math and science geniuses, I might add) some language teachers had to replace analog clocks with digital ones on exams because some kids didn't know how to tell time!
I had one awesome Spanish teacher who was like "You are in high school. you need to learn to tell time. It's not my problem" 
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MissJones
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
As a first grade teacher, my children are made to come up with many different ways of making change every day. For instance, it's the 102 day of school. I have 8 coins that make it. What are the coins? They NEED to know things like that.
We live in a techno world where everything is done for you. Why bother learning? Sad.
I loved making change when I was a cashier and I loved just opening the drawer without punching in the amount they gave me so that i had to figure out the change myself. Made me better in math, that's for sure.
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MrsPowers
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by MrsPowers
Posted by JenniferEver
I think part of it is the school system (though in general I hate blaming the school system). Kids are taught about digital clocks and calculators as a matter of procedure, and that's ok to use them if you have no clue, not that they should be used as a convenience and to ensure accuracy.
I have been tutoring HS kids for about 7 years. I can't tell you how many HS Juniors getting all A's in math are completely useless without the calculator. They will stare blankly and long division and multiplication and god forbid - percents!
These kids should not be getting A's in school and allowed to let the calculator do all the work.
An analogy to this is in the photography program at many colleges. Although digital is en vogue now and many many pros shoot digital, most programs still make you learn the basics on a non-automatic fi;m camera, and with old fashioned chemical silver halide printing. Because of this people have to have an intimate knowledge of the way things work, not just pushing buttons, and ultimately they are better photographers for it. It should be the same way with math, clocks, shorthand, etc...but it isn't.
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I disagree that digital clocks are taught in school. Every classroom in my school has an analog clock. Teachers do not teach students in digital.
As for calculators, I agree with you. But it starts way earlier than HS. In HS, most math courses require a scientific or graphic calculator and they are permitted to use one on the Regents exam. As for the basic mathematical functions, those are taught at the early grades.
Photography classes are taught in digital format but the kids still learn to develop their own film. Many professional photographers use a digital SLR camera in today's day.
In my high school (full of math and science geniuses, I might add) some language teachers had to replace analog clocks with digital ones on exams because some kids didn't know how to tell time!
I had one awesome Spanish teacher who was like "You are in high school. you need to learn to tell time. It's not my problem"
I think your high school was rare. Many schools today do not have money to replace all of the analog clocks with digital ones.
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TaraHutch
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
as educated as I am - I could never master making change
still have a problem to this day
want me to be a deer in headlights?
ask me how much change you get back if an item is 13.17 and I give you a 20
meeee tooooo!!! I have NO idea why i ever had cashier jobs - A&P, Office Max- I was fired from both because I was always under when they counted my register at the end of the day! 
I'm seriously mathematically challenged - always have been. I still have to count on my fingers. Anything with numbers gives me anxiety.
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JessInCA
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by MrsPowers
I disagree that digital clocks are taught in school. Every classroom in my school has an analog clock. Teachers do not teach students in digital.
The school I taught at taught both digital and analog time in K and 1st grade. It was a grade level standard for them to know both. But all the classroom clocks were analog.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
I honestly think many people who say they can't do math are just intimidated by it and are definitely intelligent enough to do it!
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Goldi0218
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by JenniferEver
I honestly think many people who say they can't do math are just intimidated by it and are definitely intelligent enough to do it!
Math is concrete so it would be easy to have that opinion. However, its generally the PROCESSES and not calculations that confuse the heck out of most people in higher level mathematics.
BTW...I never had a Regents Diploma and it pi$$ed the hell out my mom. Im such a failure
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MrsPowers
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by JessInCA
Posted by MrsPowers
I disagree that digital clocks are taught in school. Every classroom in my school has an analog clock. Teachers do not teach students in digital.
The school I taught at taught both digital and analog time in K and 1st grade. It was a grade level standard for them to know both. But all the classroom clocks were analog.
Well I teach at the high school level. Ours are all analog.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by JenniferEver
I honestly think many people who say they can't do math are just intimidated by it and are definitely intelligent enough to do it!
Math is concrete so it would be easy to have that opinion. However, its generally the PROCESSES and not calculations that confuse the heck out of most people in higher level mathematics.
BTW...I never had a Regents Diploma and it pi$$ed the hell out my mom. Im such a failure
Well it's making the jump between knowing the operations and understanding the application that is the problem. But I sitll think many people just see all of the numbers and kind of cower, but iif they gave themselves the chance, or learned it from someone, they'd get it. I see so many students who tell me how terrible they are at math, when in reality they're not. They get the operations, and they know how to reason, but they don't put the two together.
This has been my experience with high school students I'v worked with as a one on one instructor.
I'm not taking about multivariate calculus here. That's just going to be beyond the reach of some people and requires a lot of background.
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Goldi0218
It also makes me feel as if my time as an educator is wasted.
This is the saddest part of it all.
I don't really know what to say - I witness things like this a lot too. My sister has students that are on a 2nd grade reading level when they are actually in 8th grade.
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TaraHutch
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Re: Making change - an observation and commentary
Posted by Goldi0218
BTW...I never had a Regents Diploma and it pi$$ed the hell out my mom. Im such a failure
This drove my mom nuts too!!! She sent me to summer school just so I could pass my regents!!! Didn't happen anyway- I didn't have a prayer for passing the math regents.
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