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casey31
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Moderation- warning long!
I feel like there has been a lot of discussion on this board and I wanted to post my thoughts on being a dog owner.
Dogs are vulnerable members of our world and as humans we owe it to them to care for them and give them good lives. We have hurt their species so much with cruelty and abandonment and it is awful how many dogs are in shelters.
IMO there is no breeder that is a good breeder. Dogs should NOT be bred at ALL until every older mutt is adopted from a shelter. The only justifiable exception is breeding guide dogs for the blind.
That being said, as an owner of two dogs I would never give them up because I didn't have time for them or because they were ruining my furniture. I would make time or look into training for issues like that.
However, there are justifiable reasons for giving your pet away to another good family (not a shelter). I feel strongly that if you feel your child is unsafe living in the home with the dog it is totally fine to find a good, new home for your dog with another family. Training a dog is not fool-proof and an injured child is horrible. If there is any doubt in the owner's mind then everyone, including the dog would be happier in a new child-free home. Also, if the owner discovers they have severe allergies. We got Tally last fall from a rescue organization and we had Casey for years before that. I was fine with Casey but when we brought Tally home my allergies were severe. I was hysterical because I had already fallen in love with her sweet personality but I had to be able to breathe at night. I shaved both dogs and got a $300 air purifier. My Dr. said that two dogs just overwhelmed my immune system. Anyway, we tried everything and luckily it worked. My system adjusted. But, if it didn't I don't think I would be considered a "bad" owner if I found another home for her. Wouldn't it be better for everyone involved if she could be with someone who could hug her?
Anyway, I believe that you need to think things through before getting a dog, it is a huge responsibility. But, I believe that there are some reasons where it is okay to find another family for your dog to live with. Additionally, when someone posts that they have no time it could also be they have things in their lives going on that we don't know about: illness, etc. Maybe if their lives are so chaotic it might be better for the dog to live with a calmer family- just a thought. If your life gets out of whack and you find a new loving family for your dog I think that is more responsible to the canine species then adopting a puppy from a breeder- even a "good" breeder. JMO.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
As someone who adopted a dog from a shelter I say DITTO & Well Said!!!! 
I wanted a purebread Beagle before I adopted Dixie. DH wanted to look at NSAL before we went to a breeder. I did not want a problem dog, so I was against shelter dogs at first. Well, I saw her at NSAL at that was it, no beagle for us. Dixie was hit by a car and had a bad leg. Her previous owners just gave her pain meds and never brought her to a vet to have her leg fixed after the car hit her. NSAL wanted her to be adopted into a loving home before they amputated it. Well DH & I fell in love with her and she had her leg amputated 2 months after we brought her home. NSAL paid for the surgery and Dixie is doing great with three legs. Sometimes people look at her and ask why we decided to adopt her. I think that God had a very special plan for this dog and for us. She is such a blessing in our lives and we feel that she chose us that day at the shelter, not the other way around. When I look back on how I originally felt about adopting from a shelter, I am so happy that DH made me go to NSAL that day. I could not be happier with Dixie, besides my wedding day and the day my DD was born that day we brought Dixie home was one of the happiest of my life.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Very well said!!!
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
I agree with 90% of what you said, and yes there are indeed times when giving up a pet is necessary, and no, it should not be to a shelter.
There are reasons to go to a responsible/good breeder, and that is when there are specific traits or characteristics about a breed that you want or want to avoid. A shelter or rescue org cannot 100% guarantee the lineage of a dog, and therefore cannot verify for a potential owner what traits may present themselves later. For example, a friend of mine wanted a dog his whole life, so when he bought his house he decided once he finished all the repairs he would get a dog. He read about different breeds & decided he wanted either a beagle or a KCC spaniel. He went to NSAL to look at a beagle that had been brought there that same day. He was given a chance to meet the dog, take him for a walk & all. When he went to go and give the donation fee & tell them that he would be back after work to pick up *snoopy* they told him no, we do not hold dogs, you need to take him now. Since he was on his lunch break he could not. Needless to say when he went back after work *snoopy* was already adopted out to another person. They then showed him a terrier mix. They convinced him that it would have the same temperament as a beagle (which is a ridiculous claim anyway). After thinking about it he took the dog, and that dog grew into a huge PIT BULL. Now he was inexperienced and would have never knowingly adopted a Pit as he knew he was not able to train properly. Well 2 weeks before the dogs 1st birthday he was forced to surrender the dog to be put to sleep, because he had bitten his mother. He went to a great breeder and has a lovely KCC Spaniel.
ETA: Especially for people who have children or plan to have children in the dogs lifetime, I think you need to know with 100% certainty what temperament your dog is inclined to have. JMHO.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by dandr10199
As someone who adopted a dog from a shelter I say DITTO & Well Said!!!!
I wanted a purebread Beagle before I adopted Dixie. DH wanted to look at NSAL before we went to a breeder. I did not want a problem dog, so I was against shelter dogs at first. Well, I saw her at NSAL at that was it, no beagle for us. Dixie was hit by a car and had a bad leg. Her previous owners just gave her pain meds and never brought her to a vet to have her leg fixed after the car hit her. NSAL wanted her to be adopted into a loving home before they amputated it. Well DH & I fell in love with her and she had her leg amputated 2 months after we brought her home. NSAL paid for the surgery and Dixie is doing great with three legs. Sometimes people look at her and ask why we decided to adopt her. I think that God had a very special plan for this dog and for us. She is such a blessing in our lives and we feel that she chose us that day at the shelter, not the other way around. When I look back on how I originally felt about adopting from a shelter, I am so happy that DH made me go to NSAL that day. I could not be happier with Dixie, besides my wedding day and the day my DD was born that day we brought Dixie home was one of the happiest of my life.
I wanted a purebred beagle too - but ended up with a big ol' mutt from NSAL.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
While I do agree that breeders are part of the problem, unfortunately I think the current situation will never change. It's a sad truth. I really don't think it's necessary to buy from a breeder when there are SO many purebreeds that need homes right now!!
I also don't buy into the whole temperment arguement either. Yes, some breeds have certain tendencies, but my belief is it's how you raise your dog that matters. My dog is a purebreed, adopted as an adult from a shelter. Although cocker spaniels are known for "cocker rage" due to years of poor breeding because of their popularity, JJ doesn't display any of this. If someone is patient enough, I'm 100% positive they can find the match they are looking for.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by azoodie
While I do agree that breeders are part of the problem, unfortunately I think the current situation will never change. It's a sad truth. I really don't think it's necessary to buy from a breeder when there are SO many purebreeds that need homes right now!!
I also don't buy into the whole temperment arguement either. Yes, some breeds have certain tendencies, but my belief is it's how you raise your dog that matters. My dog is a purebreed, adopted as an adult from a shelter. Although cocker spaniels are known for "cocker rage" due to years of poor breeding because of their popularity, JJ doesn't display any of this. If someone is patient enough, I'm 100% positive they can find the match they are looking for.
It is not just for temperament, it is also for things like grooming, activity, etc. There are certain breeds, however, that need a specific type of training, and if you are inexperienced or ill prepared then the dog will not be trained properly. Also, many of the pets in shelters and rescues are not a result of a good breeder - a good breeder will put a potential owner though a rigorous screening before allowing that person to adopt one of their pets (usually not show potential). I believe that most of the problem comes from a few things: a) people who get a dog because it is "popular" at the time. This happens whenever there is a celeb or a movie that draws new attention to a certain breed - like 101 Dalmatians live movie did a few years back. 6 mos after the movie the local shelters were PACKED with Dalms; b) people who do not spay/neuter their pets and allow them to breed repeatedly: c) people who buy from BYB and get sick dogs that they cannot afford to take care of; d) people who do not think ahead of the LIFETIME commitment to taking care of a pet.
and FYI...any good breeder will take their dog back if the adopter cannot keep the dog.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
I just want to add that whenever someone asks about getting a dog I always encourage them to adopt, and will even try to help by doing research on breed-specific rescues if need be. I do not think though, that it is fair to slam responsible breeder, of which there are a very small percentage, for the overpopulation of dogs (and cats too). A responsible breeder will not ALWAYS have a litter available, nor will they just let someone buy a dog. I think the distinction needs to be made between a good breeder and a BYB or a puppy mill. In any context over-generalization is dangerous, and not always accurate. I think it does a great disservice to those who work tirelessly to propagate the healthy traits of their breed. (And for not much profit, I might add. A responsible breeder puts almost as much money into vet care and linage testing as they make back.)
I have 5 dogs, 3 of which are rescues...just so everyone knows I am not a breeder or a papered-pure-bred only enthusiast.
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casey31
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by MsMBV
I agree with 90% of what you said, and yes there are indeed times when giving up a pet is necessary, and no, it should not be to a shelter.
There are reasons to go to a responsible/good breeder, and that is when there are specific traits or characteristics about a breed that you want or want to avoid. A shelter or rescue org cannot 100% guarantee the lineage of a dog, and therefore cannot verify for a potential owner what traits may present themselves later. For example, a friend of mine wanted a dog his whole life, so when he bought his house he decided once he finished all the repairs he would get a dog. He read about different breeds & decided he wanted either a beagle or a KCC spaniel. He went to NSAL to look at a beagle that had been brought there that same day. He was given a chance to meet the dog, take him for a walk & all. When he went to go and give the donation fee & tell them that he would be back after work to pick up *snoopy* they told him no, we do not hold dogs, you need to take him now. Since he was on his lunch break he could not. Needless to say when he went back after work *snoopy* was already adopted out to another person. They then showed him a terrier mix. They convinced him that it would have the same temperament as a beagle (which is a ridiculous claim anyway). After thinking about it he took the dog, and that dog grew into a huge PIT BULL. Now he was inexperienced and would have never knowingly adopted a Pit as he knew he was not able to train properly. Well 2 weeks before the dogs 1st birthday he was forced to surrender the dog to be put to sleep, because he had bitten his mother. He went to a great breeder and has a lovely KCC Spaniel.
ETA: Especially for people who have children or plan to have children in the dogs lifetime, I think you need to know with 100% certainty what temperament your dog is inclined to have. JMHO.
Very good point about using a breeder and knowing more about the dog's temperment. I guess my point is this though: I feel like I would rather see a person go to a shelter and get a dog (after preparing their home and really committing to pet ownership) and then it not working out- and then having to return the dog to the shelter, or even better, finding a home that is a better fit (ex: no kids). I would rather see that then a person going to a breeder to get a special breed for it's temperment. When you go to a shelter you have at least a 50% chance of it working out. When you go to a breeder you are bringing another dog into an already overpopulated world.
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Also edited to say: We adopted Tally from a rescue - she is 2 or 3, noone knows. Even the vet cannot say what her breed is. Probably some mix of cattle/herding breeds. Yes, we got lucky that her temperment is very sweet and my DH handles dogs very well. But, if iit turned out that we decided she would be too aggressive for our home with a baby I think we better serviced the canine species by finding her another home then if we had gone to a breeder to get a specific "type" of temperment. We took a chance on her and it worked and we rescued a dog. If it didn't we still would've worked our butts off to find her another home. In the end, Tally was saved either way. This is better then going to a breeder.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
I think you all made great points.
As far as breeders. We looked into MANY but we REALLY wanted to adopt....We looked and looked for over a year and a half and finally found Abby the breed we wanted all along at a shelter. So it just takes patience .
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by casey31
I feel like there has been a lot of discussion on this board and I wanted to post my thoughts on being a dog owner.
Dogs are vulnerable members of our world and as humans we owe it to them to care for them and give them good lives. We have hurt their species so much with cruelty and abandonment and it is awful how many dogs are in shelters.
IMO there is no breeder that is a good breeder. Dogs should NOT be bred at ALL until every older mutt is adopted from a shelter. The only justifiable exception is breeding guide dogs for the blind.
That being said, as an owner of two dogs I would never give them up because I didn't have time for them or because they were ruining my furniture. I would make time or look into training for issues like that.
However, there are justifiable reasons for giving your pet away to another good family (not a shelter). I feel strongly that if you feel your child is unsafe living in the home with the dog it is totally fine to find a good, new home for your dog with another family. Training a dog is not fool-proof and an injured child is horrible. If there is any doubt in the owner's mind then everyone, including the dog would be happier in a new child-free home. Also, if the owner discovers they have severe allergies. We got Tally last fall from a rescue organization and we had Casey for years before that. I was fine with Casey but when we brought Tally home my allergies were severe. I was hysterical because I had already fallen in love with her sweet personality but I had to be able to breathe at night. I shaved both dogs and got a $300 air purifier. My Dr. said that two dogs just overwhelmed my immune system. Anyway, we tried everything and luckily it worked. My system adjusted. But, if it didn't I don't think I would be considered a "bad" owner if I found another home for her. Wouldn't it be better for everyone involved if she could be with someone who could hug her?
Anyway, I believe that you need to think things through before getting a dog, it is a huge responsibility. But, I believe that there are some reasons where it is okay to find another family for your dog to live with. Additionally, when someone posts that they have no time it could also be they have things in their lives going on that we don't know about: illness, etc. Maybe if their lives are so chaotic it might be better for the dog to live with a calmer family- just a thought. If your life gets out of whack and you find a new loving family for your dog I think that is more responsible to the canine species then adopting a puppy from a breeder- even a "good" breeder. JMO.
I agree with you 100000000000% Growing up I had 3 dogs 2 were adopted from shelters (a pure bred sheppard and a pure bred dobbie), the third was from a woman standing outside the supermarket giving away pups (She was according to the woman a malamute retriever mix) Ok the 3rd was a little insane, not in a bad way. But the dobbie and the sheppard were the most AMAZING pets you could ever ask for. They were so good with my brother and myself. My brother was so rough with the dobbie and he NEVER EVER bit or snapped. She was amazing! The sheppard actually protected a child in the neighborhood from another aggressive dog not from the neighborhood. The mutt was obsessed with men with beards and was a fence jumper. All 3 were adopted and all 3 were great pets! When my husband and I decide that we have the time to give to a dog (and we will NOT get one until our daughter is old enough to treat her right and we have the time to give to the dog) we will definitely be adopting!!! To me I will have saved a life and that is great!
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by azoodie
While I do agree that breeders are part of the problem, unfortunately I think the current situation will never change. It's a sad truth. I really don't think it's necessary to buy from a breeder when there are SO many purebreeds that need homes right now!!
I also don't buy into the whole temperment arguement either. Yes, some breeds have certain tendencies, but my belief is it's how you raise your dog that matters. My dog is a purebreed, adopted as an adult from a shelter. Although cocker spaniels are known for "cocker rage" due to years of poor breeding because of their popularity, JJ doesn't display any of this. If someone is patient enough, I'm 100% positive they can find the match they are looking for.
It is not just for temperament, it is also for things like grooming, activity, etc. There are certain breeds, however, that need a specific type of training, and if you are inexperienced or ill prepared then the dog will not be trained properly. Also, many of the pets in shelters and rescues are not a result of a good breeder - a good breeder will put a potential owner though a rigorous screening before allowing that person to adopt one of their pets (usually not show potential). I believe that most of the problem comes from a few things: a) people who get a dog because it is "popular" at the time. This happens whenever there is a celeb or a movie that draws new attention to a certain breed - like 101 Dalmatians live movie did a few years back. 6 mos after the movie the local shelters were PACKED with Dalms; b) people who do not spay/neuter their pets and allow them to breed repeatedly: c) people who buy from BYB and get sick dogs that they cannot afford to take care of; d) people who do not think ahead of the LIFETIME commitment to taking care of a pet.
and FYI...any good breeder will take their dog back if the adopter cannot keep the dog.
and i am sorry to say that breeding should not happen because there are dogs that need adopting IMO is silly
Yes i think it is sad about dogs that are in need of adopting...
i looked into adopting when we started
But i wanted a min pin...I wanted a newborn as well...
I wanted a specific color and gender...
and i couldn't find one to adopt...
so i found a wonderful breeder and bought my dog..
it is a choice.
it was my choice..
and i think not being able to have that kind fo choice is silly
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Just a FYI...About 25% of dogs in shelters are purebreds. So if you are looking for a particular breed for any reason, they are out there to be adopted. Also, every breed has a rescue organization. A good place to start is the American Kennel Club ...www.akc.com. They have links to the rescues. Adopting can be a much longer process but well worth the time and effort.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by Redhead
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by azoodie
While I do agree that breeders are part of the problem, unfortunately I think the current situation will never change. It's a sad truth. I really don't think it's necessary to buy from a breeder when there are SO many purebreeds that need homes right now!!
I also don't buy into the whole temperment arguement either. Yes, some breeds have certain tendencies, but my belief is it's how you raise your dog that matters. My dog is a purebreed, adopted as an adult from a shelter. Although cocker spaniels are known for "cocker rage" due to years of poor breeding because of their popularity, JJ doesn't display any of this. If someone is patient enough, I'm 100% positive they can find the match they are looking for.
It is not just for temperament, it is also for things like grooming, activity, etc. There are certain breeds, however, that need a specific type of training, and if you are inexperienced or ill prepared then the dog will not be trained properly. Also, many of the pets in shelters and rescues are not a result of a good breeder - a good breeder will put a potential owner though a rigorous screening before allowing that person to adopt one of their pets (usually not show potential). I believe that most of the problem comes from a few things: a) people who get a dog because it is "popular" at the time. This happens whenever there is a celeb or a movie that draws new attention to a certain breed - like 101 Dalmatians live movie did a few years back. 6 mos after the movie the local shelters were PACKED with Dalms; b) people who do not spay/neuter their pets and allow them to breed repeatedly: c) people who buy from BYB and get sick dogs that they cannot afford to take care of; d) people who do not think ahead of the LIFETIME commitment to taking care of a pet.
and FYI...any good breeder will take their dog back if the adopter cannot keep the dog.
and i am sorry to say that breeding should not happen because there are dogs that need adopting IMO is silly
Yes i think it is sad about dogs that are in need of adopting...
i looked into adopting when we started
But i wanted a min pin...I wanted a newborn as well...
I wanted a specific color and gender...
and i couldn't find one to adopt...
so i found a wonderful breeder and bought my dog..
it is a choice.
it was my choice..
and i think not being able to have that kind fo choice is silly
My husband is allergic to most dogs so we HAD to get one that is hypoallergenic. Neither of us had ever had dogs before and were very concerned about getting an older dog that we did not train or know from puppyhood. Now that I have my two little loves, I would feel comfortable going through a Hav rescue but I make no apologies for buying my dogs from responsible breeders. My world is a better place because of them and I thank God for them every single day!
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by DMcK
My husband is allergic to most dogs so we HAD to get one that is hypoallergenic. Neither of us had ever had dogs before and were very concerned about getting an older dog that we did not train or know from puppyhood. Now that I have my two little loves, I would feel comfortable going through a Hav rescue but I make no apologies for buying my dogs from responsible breeders. My world is a better place because of them and I thank God for them every single day!
ditto....
although we just wanted what we wanted
and i make no apologies...
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Additionally, when someone posts that they have no time it could also be they have things in their lives going on that we don't know about: illness, etc. Maybe if their lives are so chaotic it might be better for the dog to live with a calmer family- just a thought. .
The post which got me going was one that had 2 puppies to be adopted out because they had no time. 1 was a 5 month old puppy. I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden, they had no time. They obviously do not want the dog, and I just find the "no time" excuse, ESP when you are talking about a dog that you have had a few mere months, to be disturbing. Is the dog better off somewhere else? Probably. I just think it is disturbing when people say that when they just brough these baby animals into their house. Puppies are a heck of a lot of work -- I just wish people did their research first.
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by DMcK
Additionally, when someone posts that they have no time it could also be they have things in their lives going on that we don't know about: illness, etc. Maybe if their lives are so chaotic it might be better for the dog to live with a calmer family- just a thought. .
The post which got me going was one that had 2 puppies to be adopted out because they had no time. 1 was a 5 month old puppy. I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden, they had no time. They obviously do not want the dog, and I just find the "no time" excuse, ESP when you are talking about a dog that you have had a few mere months, to be disturbing. Is the dog better off somewhere else? Probably. I just think it is disturbing when people say that when they just brough these baby animals into their house. Puppies are a heck of a lot of work -- I just wish people did their research first.
I equate the "not having time" excuse to the signifigant other breaking up reason of "It's not you, it's me." Yes, some times this is true but usually not the case.
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casey31
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
I do want to start by saying that I think everyone posting here is passionate and loves animals tremendously and its okay to agree to disagree....
I do feel strongly that dogs should NOT be breeded, at least not at this point with so many homeless mutts. I don't think that it is justifiable to make a litter of puppies just because we want a certain look or certain traits. There are too many wonderful mutts out there that will do well in all types of families. Overall, I think we owe it to the canine species to find a dog to love from a shelter at this point- not make more dogs. I must admit that I never thought about someone needing a certain type of dog for allergy reasons though...
I guess I just felt that there was a lot of posts about irresponsible owners. Yes, getting a puppy and giving it away 5 months later is irresponsible in that it is most likely coming from someone who didn't think it through. But, I feel that if serious things happen and a person has to find a new home sometimes it IS justifiable. If it is done in a responsible way and a new home is found it is okay. What I mean is that if everyone adopted from a shelter and even gave one dog a few good years of a good home before finding it a new home, it is better than going to breeders- better for dogs overrall.
JMO- i think everyone here truly cares about dogs- I guess we are all just very passionate!
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by casey31
I do want to start by saying that I think everyone posting here is passionate and loves animals tremendously and its okay to agree to disagree....
I do feel strongly that dogs should NOT be breeded, at least not at this point with so many homeless mutts. I don't think that it is justifiable to make a litter of puppies just because we want a certain look or certain traits. There are too many wonderful mutts out there that will do well in all types of families. Overall, I think we owe it to the canine species to find a dog to love from a shelter at this point- not make more dogs. I must admit that I never thought about someone needing a certain type of dog for allergy reasons though...
I guess I just felt that there was a lot of posts about irresponsible owners. Yes, getting a puppy and giving it away 5 months later is irresponsible in that it is most likely coming from someone who didn't think it through. But, I feel that if serious things happen and a person has to find a new home sometimes it IS justifiable. If it is done in a responsible way and a new home is found it is okay. What I mean is that if everyone adopted from a shelter and even gave one dog a few good years of a good home before finding it a new home, it is better than going to breeders- better for dogs overrall.
JMO- i think everyone here truly cares about dogs- I guess we are all just very passionate!
well i think that in part ...a lot of the dogs that are IN shelters are from IRRESPONSIBLE owners
ones that accidentially breeded and didn't know what do to with them
people giving dogs away...
IMO i don't think i should not have the option to have the dog of MY choice...NOR should breeders be prevented from doing what they responsible do...because of the idiots of the world....
but like you said...we all are very passionate dog lovers..
so i do repect that you want to help all the dogs that need good homes
but i will hold true to my own beliefs
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| Posted 8/9/06 10:48 PM |
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casey31
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by Redhead
[but like you said...we all are very passionate dog lovers..
so i do repect that you want to help all the dogs that need good homes
but i will hold true to my own beliefs
Sounds good! 
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| Posted 8/9/06 10:58 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
i strongly disagree with your breeder comment.
should people look into adopting first? abosutely.
but to say breeders shouldnt be is totally insane imo.
BACKYARD breeders shoudnt breed, PUPPYMILLS shouldnt breed....
but responsible breeders SHOULD. how else to keep a breed going? how else to better the lines and get most standard?
breeders arent the problem... its the idot people who buy them then abuse/neglect surrender them that is the problem in shelters today.
puppymills pump out a helluva lot more purebreds than breeders do.
adopting rather than buying doesnt make you a good pet owner.
being a good pet owner makes you a good pet owner
Message edited 8/10/2006 1:08:15 AM.
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| Posted 8/10/06 1:07 AM |
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Shanti
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by Lolita4Life
i strongly disagree with your breeder comment.
should people look into adopting first? abosutely.
but to say breeders shouldnt be is totally insane imo.
BACKYARD breeders shoudnt breed, PUPPYMILLS shouldnt breed....
but responsible breeders SHOULD. how else to keep a breed going? how else to better the lines and get most standard?
breeders arent the problem... its the idot people who buy them then abuse/neglect surrender them that is the problem in shelters today.
puppymills pump out a helluva lot more purebreds than breeders do.
adopting rather than buying doesnt make you a good pet owner.
being a good pet owner makes you a good pet owner
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| Posted 8/10/06 7:22 AM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
Posted by shamrock12472
Just a FYI...About 25% of dogs in shelters are purebreds. So if you are looking for a particular breed for any reason, they are out there to be adopted. Also, every breed has a rescue organization. A good place to start is the American Kennel Club ...www.akc.com. They have links to the rescues. Adopting can be a much longer process but well worth the time and effort.
Most of us that are defending responsible breeders will also, if you search our old posts, direct people to breed-specific rescue. Also, many breed-specific rescues are no-kill. I myself always look to adopt first.
Pyxie is from a breeder. I made a conscious effort, after looking quite vigorously at the rescue orgs, to go with a breeder. WHY? Because Chinese Cresteds have a wealth of health issues. None of the available dogs had any lineage information. Although certain health tests were performed, they only show that the conditions were not present at that time. When you use a breeder, they perform the genetic testing you will know the possibility of a problem presenting itself later.
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| Posted 8/10/06 8:13 AM |
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casey31
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Re: Moderation- warning long!
I agree that adopting rather than buying doesn't make you a better pet owner.
I guess I just feel that breeding to propagate a line or to keep a breed going is wrong. I don't understand the need for purebreeds, even when bred responsibly. I know that many many breeders are good and loving and responsible to their dogs. Just that with so many homeless mutts, I feel there is too high a value placed on purebreds.
ETA: I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe more mutts would be adopted and overall there would be less dogs in shelters if there were less purebreds bred. I know then people might just not adopt, for fear of not getting a good fit from a shelter but maybe they would? There really are many loveable, good, even already housebroken dogs in shelters.
anyway, I'm sorry for all this- I think everyone has dogs' best interests at heart just looking at it from a different perspective.
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