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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by nrthshgrl
How is publishing the names of gun owners infringing on their rights? If it's a public list, it's a public list? Again if it's not a public list, then it shouldn't be made public.
The problem is it is not actually a LIST - each permit is individually applied for and granted. If someone wants to know who has one, they should have to go to town hall or wherever the records are kept and apply to see the permit of each individual owner. If someone did that, guaranteed officials would want to know why. And it's not just the fact that they published the names - they published the addresses too. Why is that anyone's business?
Just because it's public information doesn't mean it should be printed in the paper. If someone wants to know, they can make an effort and go find out. There is no other reason to post it other than to  .
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by ali120206
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Posted by nrthshgrl
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I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.
Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?
I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.
If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.
Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?
I take issue with the fact that a newspaper made an interactive map. Yes, it's public information but there is a process in releasing/obtaining that information - it should not have been so irresponsibly put out there. There are so many things that are a matter of public record - should everything have an interactive map? Publishing the names and address of POLICE OFFICERS? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that 40% of the gun owners in that area are active or retired police officers? They have created a map straight to the cop's door. That's a disgrace. This "newspaper" has put so many people - law abiding people - at risk. By the way, their inclusion in the map does not mean that they actually have a gun - but that they had obtained a license. The Journal News capitalized on a tragedy and was very irresponsible with the information. I'm willing to bet that it had nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with publicity.
I looked at it on my laptop at work today (as opposed to my phone last night).
They don't have active police officers listed (unless I guess they request a permit from the county for some reason). I did see some retired officers names on there.
I know I could find it out on my own but, it alarms me that a certain neighbor is on the list. He and his wife just separated - with help from the local sheriff - and his kids are always in trouble - they shot bebe guns at our neighbors daughter and at people's homes and did extensive damage - to know that they could potentially have such easy access to a weapon so close to where my sons play bothers me.
So in that case, aren't you glad that you know they have a gun permit? Do you still consider it an invasion of privacy?
ETA: Sorry, I thought Mcsullivan made the above comment.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by ali120206
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by McSullivan
I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.
Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?
I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.
If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.
Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?
I take issue with the fact that a newspaper made an interactive map. Yes, it's public information but there is a process in releasing/obtaining that information - it should not have been so irresponsibly put out there. There are so many things that are a matter of public record - should everything have an interactive map? Publishing the names and address of POLICE OFFICERS? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that 40% of the gun owners in that area are active or retired police officers? They have created a map straight to the cop's door. That's a disgrace. This "newspaper" has put so many people - law abiding people - at risk. By the way, their inclusion in the map does not mean that they actually have a gun - but that they had obtained a license. The Journal News capitalized on a tragedy and was very irresponsible with the information. I'm willing to bet that it had nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with publicity.
I looked at it on my laptop at work today (as opposed to my phone last night).
They don't have active police officers listed (unless I guess they request a permit from the county for some reason). I did see some retired officers names on there.
I know I could find it out on my own but, it alarms me that a certain neighbor is on the list. He and his wife just separated - with help from the local sheriff - and his kids are always in trouble - they shot bebe guns at our neighbors daughter and at people's homes and did extensive damage - to know that they could potentially have such easy access to a weapon so close to where my sons play bothers me.
So in that case, aren't you glad that you know they have a gun permit? Do you still consider it an invasion of privacy?
ETA: Sorry, I thought Mcsullivan made the above comment.
I think another poster made the point that you don't have to actually OWN a gun to have a permit to obtain one. Also, what you see published is only people who obtained permits for legal gun ownership (some of which are retired law enforcement or security)...just because someone is on that list doesn't mean they actually obtained a gun and just because you are not on that list doesn't mean they don't own a gun...it just means they never obtained a permit for it. So, by basing your judgement of who your child can and cannot play with based on what you see on some list...you're judging those who took legal, responsible steps to obtain a gun (and possibly don't even own one) meanwhile you could be ignoring the next parent who is not on that list but does own a gun in their home (illegally and unrecorded). I'd much rather have my childs fate in the hands of a responsible gun owner who would be more likely to take safety precautions rather than some person with unregistered illegal guns who shows no regard for law or safety. Our decisions on who is responsible enough to watch after our children should be a much more personal decision than just what some paper says. I want to KNOW the person my son stays with...hang around for a few play dates, get to know the whole family, ask questions, ASK if they own guns and look for their reaction, does it seem genuine, if the answer is yes do they automatically offer information on what safety measures have been taken? after all, they have children too, I'm sure they care about the safety of their own children just as much as you do. But I would not rely on a list like this to do my decision making for me...not unless it was telling me they were pedophiles / rapists
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by ali120206
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by McSullivan
I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.
Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?
I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.
If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.
Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?
I take issue with the fact that a newspaper made an interactive map. Yes, it's public information but there is a process in releasing/obtaining that information - it should not have been so irresponsibly put out there. There are so many things that are a matter of public record - should everything have an interactive map? Publishing the names and address of POLICE OFFICERS? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that 40% of the gun owners in that area are active or retired police officers? They have created a map straight to the cop's door. That's a disgrace. This "newspaper" has put so many people - law abiding people - at risk. By the way, their inclusion in the map does not mean that they actually have a gun - but that they had obtained a license. The Journal News capitalized on a tragedy and was very irresponsible with the information. I'm willing to bet that it had nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with publicity.
I looked at it on my laptop at work today (as opposed to my phone last night).
They don't have active police officers listed (unless I guess they request a permit from the county for some reason). I did see some retired officers names on there.
I know I could find it out on my own but, it alarms me that a certain neighbor is on the list. He and his wife just separated - with help from the local sheriff - and his kids are always in trouble - they shot bebe guns at our neighbors daughter and at people's homes and did extensive damage - to know that they could potentially have such easy access to a weapon so close to where my sons play bothers me.
So in that case, aren't you glad that you know they have a gun permit? Do you still consider it an invasion of privacy?
ETA: Sorry, I thought Mcsullivan made the above comment.
I think another poster made the point that you don't have to actually OWN a gun to have a permit to obtain one. Also, what you see published is only people who obtained permits for legal gun ownership (some of which are retired law enforcement or security)...just because someone is on that list doesn't mean they actually obtained a gun and just because you are not on that list doesn't mean they don't own a gun...it just means they never obtained a permit for it. So, by basing your judgement of who your child can and cannot play with based on what you see on some list...you're judging those who took legal, responsible steps to obtain a gun (and possibly don't even own one) meanwhile you could be ignoring the next parent who is not on that list but does own a gun in their home (illegally and unrecorded). I'd much rather have my childs fate in the hands of a responsible gun owner who would be more likely to take safety precautions rather than some person with unregistered illegal guns who shows no regard for law or safety. Our decisions on who is responsible enough to watch after our children should be a much more personal decision than just what some paper says. I want to KNOW the person my son stays with...hang around for a few play dates, get to know the whole family, ask questions, ASK if they own guns and look for their reaction, does it seem genuine, if the answer is yes do they automatically offer information on what safety measures have been taken? after all, they have children too, I'm sure they care about the safety of their own children just as much as you do. But I would not rely on a list like this to do my decision making for me...not unless it was telling me they were pedophiles / rapists
Honestly, just because a person has a permit for a gun doesn't mean they are responsible gun owners. For all I know they keep in on the kitchen counter.
I don't want my kid playing at anyone's house where there is a gun (exception possible if the person is a cop and even then I'm not sure). I don't trust my kid's life to anyone with a gun, legal or not. At least with easy access to check if there is a permit owner in the house it makes it a little easier for me to decide if my kid can play at their house.
Even when I ask parents, I'm still not comfortable. Even when I know the parents well and have been in their home several times. This is why I much prefer to host playdates at my house.
On a related note, I am at this moment watching Bowling for Columbine.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Bottom line when it comes to playdates...you need to trust the parent(s) and know your child. I'm more concerned about pools/spas and trampolines than I am of my child getting accidentally shot.
You could ask parents if they own firearms, but that doesn't mean you're going to get the truth. Not everybody wants the whole world to know they have a gun(s), whether it's because they're in law enforcement, hunting/hobby or protection. Afterall, look at much of the reaction on LIF. Gun ownership is frowned upon in most metropolitan areas because it's seen as "not necessary."
I know a number of parents who are anti-gun and they consider themselves safe & responsible, but the reality is their house is so dangerous because of their "innocent" toys: zip line, trampoline, pool, poorly designed property.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Bottom line when it comes to playdates...you need to trust the parent(s) and know your child. I'm more concerned about pools/spas and trampolines than I am of my child getting accidentally shot.
You could ask parents if they own firearms, but that doesn't mean you're going to get the truth. Not everybody wants the whole world to know they have a gun(s), whether it's because they're in law enforcement, hunting/hobby or protection. Afterall, look at much of the reaction on LIF. Gun ownership is frowned upon in most metropolitan areas because it's seen as "not necessary."
I know a number of parents who are anti-gun and they consider themselves safe & responsible, but the reality is their house is so dangerous because of their "innocent" toys: zip line, trampoline, pool, poorly designed property.
I agree. So many people are irresponsible in general. It is a risk if you let them drive with your child, being near a swimming pool is a risk, what if they are aren't being attended to whilst eating and they choke? So many possibilities besides guns. I think you need to trust someone 100% before considering leaving your child with him/her. There are just too many things that can go wrong.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
So glad my FORMER tenant owned a gun. Now my address is listed on that damn map!
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by CathyB
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Posted by nrthshgrl
As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.
But they are trying to ban some guns that a lot of people use for various reasons, 99.9% of them not being to murder individuals.
Because I truly don't understand, what are the various uses for semi-automatic & automatic weapons in the hands of civilians? For lack of a better term, it really seems like over-kill to me. The only people I know who are gun owners are law-enforcement or hunters who use rifles because the other weapons would destroy the meat.
What and where do your friends hunt? And for how long? Do they target shoot?
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by nrthshgrl
As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.
But they are trying to ban some guns that a lot of people use for various reasons, 99.9% of them not being to murder individuals.
Has the regulation on alcohol stopped all the deaths and incidents? Wouldn't it be wiser to get rid of all bars???? Afterall, what's the point of having a location many drive to to specifically drink and then drive home? We give people the freedom and assume they will be responsible. Occasionally people aren't and some people die as a result. Heck, some people even drink and drive without a license or an insured vehicle (meaning they don't belong behind the wheel prior to alcohol) and end up killing/hurting innocent people.
Regulating alcohol, raising the drinking age, stricter sentencing for DUI/DWI offenders has absolutely changed the number of alcohol related deaths.
I dont' think anyone thinks regulating guns will prevent every death by guns but it will certainly reduce the tragedies.
But why not just ban at least hard alcohol all together!?!? What is the reason for hard alcohol? What is it's benefit? Wouldn't we potentially save lives if we didn't sell that? (FTR, this is just a comparison. I'm not advocating a ban on booze.)
People are looking for something concrete to blame and guns, especially semi-automatics are it. Nobody wants to address the other factors of mental health and media.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by nrthshgrl
As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.
But they are trying to ban some guns that a lot of people use for various reasons, 99.9% of them not being to murder individuals.
Has the regulation on alcohol stopped all the deaths and incidents? Wouldn't it be wiser to get rid of all bars???? Afterall, what's the point of having a location many drive to to specifically drink and then drive home? We give people the freedom and assume they will be responsible. Occasionally people aren't and some people die as a result. Heck, some people even drink and drive without a license or an insured vehicle (meaning they don't belong behind the wheel prior to alcohol) and end up killing/hurting innocent people.
Regulating alcohol, raising the drinking age, stricter sentencing for DUI/DWI offenders has absolutely changed the number of alcohol related deaths.
I dont' think anyone thinks regulating guns will prevent every death by guns but it will certainly reduce the tragedies.
But why not just ban at least hard alcohol all together!?!? What is the reason for hard alcohol? What is it's benefit? Wouldn't we potentially save lives if we didn't sell that? (FTR, this is just a comparison. I'm not advocating a ban on booze.)
People are looking for something concrete to blame and semi-automatics and guns are it. Nobody wants to address the other factors of mental health and media.
ITA!
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by Chatham-Chick
People are looking for something concrete to blame and semi-automatics and guns are it. Nobody wants to address the other factors of mental health and media.
Actually for me, this is not Sandy Hook related. I've always thought we needed stricter gun laws, mental health support & that media violence (including video games) should be addressed.
Chicago had something like 400 school aged kids shot in 2012. I doubt all of those guns were registered & legal. It's not the gun laws that are solely the issue. It's the black market guns, the guns that are obtained illegally that are the bigger issue. For the record, the gun in Sandy Hook was also obtained illegally too. His mom was the registered owner, right?
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Chatham-Chick
People are looking for something concrete to blame and semi-automatics and guns are it. Nobody wants to address the other factors of mental health and media.
Actually for me, this is not Sandy Hook related. I've always thought we needed stricter gun laws, mental health support & that media violence (including video games) should be addressed.
Chicago had something like 400 school aged kids shot in 2012. I doubt all of those guns were registered & legal. It's not the gun laws that are solely the issue. It's the black market guns, the guns that are obtained illegally that are the bigger issue. For the record, the gun in Sandy Hook was also obtained illegally too. His mom was the registered owner, right?
thats the key...soooo many people are hardcore focused on a gun ban and the people who own guns legally...but Chicago has a gun ban. So, the fact that you're saying 400 school aged kids were shot in 2012 in chicago WHILE a gun ban was in effect just solidifies how I feel about the effectiveness of gun bans.
I REALLY would like to see a gun buy back program to get illegal guns off the street. I would like to see more outreach to low income / inner city areas with high violence / crime / homicide rates. I would also like better, more accessible mental health care options. I think these things would be much more effective than many of the other proposed solutions I've seen posted on the internet.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
I thought this interesting
Florida's Statue on public record for gun permits
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Yup that's the problem when you leave everything to the States. Not a lot of consistency.
Yet someone mentioned voter registration privacy & yet, the State of Florida has a website where you can look up party affiliation & whether they voted in the last election.
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Posted by nrthshgrl
Yup that's the problem when you leave everything to the States. Not a lot of consistency.
Yet someone mentioned voter registration privacy & yet, the State of Florida has a website where you can look up party affiliation & whether they voted in the last election.
Sidenote..I think NY has that, too. I have seen a site that was NY-based and it would show what party one for which one was registered. I will look it up.
Google "ny voter lookup" and it will be the first link.
you can look up anyone and what their registered party is, if you know their birthdate and zip code........which is quite easy now with Facebook info.
Even though that's not the intent of the website, anyone can be a detective and find out, KWIM?
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Compiling a list of people and identifying them before they commit a crime is soooo 1939.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
I feel worse knowing that my name would not be on the list. It reads "come and get me you will get out without a scratch".
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by Goldi0218
Compiling a list of people and identifying them before they commit a crime is soooo 1939.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by Chatham-Chick
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Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by headoverheels
My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?
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Heard this yesterday, oh well huh? They are law abiding citizens and their information is public as is most who own a home. So who cares right? I mean 'whats the harm' and 'where's the crime'. Like others said its all public record just like marriage licenses.
I liked the comment who said "why dont we just walk around with yellow stars on our arm so you know who to look out for?" a permit or even owning a gun is not against the law and those who are following the law shouldn't be singled out, period.
I 100% agree with PP who said why dont we know if our neighbors are institutionalized or have other aggressive tendencies?
I STILL think the focus should be on mental health FIRST!
I'm not sure why it needs to be a one-subject limit conversation. Why can't we discuss mental health AND gun control?
Also for your neighbors who have been institutionalized, that's not a public record. In fact there are laws protecting people from that very topic. Not saying I wouldn't be interested. Just saying it's not a public record.
That's my point...it's ok to infringe on the 2nd amendment but not the 5th (civil liberties) or 1st (freedom of speech) for some reason.
It's a complex issue involving all 3 (gun control, mental health and violent movies/video games).
Should we ban alcohol because of all the deaths that occur from that?
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Posted by CrankyPants
Honestly, just because a person has a permit for a gun doesn't mean they are responsible gun owners. For all I know they keep in on the kitchen counter.
I don't want my kid playing at anyone's house where there is a gun (exception possible if the person is a cop and even then I'm not sure). I don't trust my kid's life to anyone with a gun, legal or not. At least with easy access to check if there is a permit owner in the house it makes it a little easier for me to decide if my kid can play at their house.
Even when I ask parents, I'm still not comfortable. Even when I know the parents well and have been in their home several times. This is why I much prefer to host playdates at my house.
On a related note, I am at this moment watching Bowling for Columbine.
I have a relative in law enforcement, who has been irresponsible with a firearm. We love our generalizations in this country. Suddenly, all registered gun owners are responsible and careful with their guns. And FTR I don't agree with the way this was rolled out, but I also will never be convinced that regular folks need to have automatic and semi automatic weapons for self-protection.
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by ali120206
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by McSullivan
I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.
Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?
I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.
If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.
Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?
I take issue with the fact that a newspaper made an interactive map. Yes, it's public information but there is a process in releasing/obtaining that information - it should not have been so irresponsibly put out there. There are so many things that are a matter of public record - should everything have an interactive map? Publishing the names and address of POLICE OFFICERS? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that 40% of the gun owners in that area are active or retired police officers? They have created a map straight to the cop's door. That's a disgrace. This "newspaper" has put so many people - law abiding people - at risk. By the way, their inclusion in the map does not mean that they actually have a gun - but that they had obtained a license. The Journal News capitalized on a tragedy and was very irresponsible with the information. I'm willing to bet that it had nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with publicity.
I looked at it on my laptop at work today (as opposed to my phone last night).
They don't have active police officers listed (unless I guess they request a permit from the county for some reason). I did see some retired officers names on there.
I know I could find it out on my own but, it alarms me that a certain neighbor is on the list. He and his wife just separated - with help from the local sheriff - and his kids are always in trouble - they shot bebe guns at our neighbors daughter and at people's homes and did extensive damage - to know that they could potentially have such easy access to a weapon so close to where my sons play bothers me.
So in that case, aren't you glad that you know they have a gun permit? Do you still consider it an invasion of privacy?
ETA: Sorry, I thought Mcsullivan made the above comment.
I think another poster made the point that you don't have to actually OWN a gun to have a permit to obtain one. Also, what you see published is only people who obtained permits for legal gun ownership (some of which are retired law enforcement or security)...just because someone is on that list doesn't mean they actually obtained a gun and just because you are not on that list doesn't mean they don't own a gun...it just means they never obtained a permit for it. So, by basing your judgement of who your child can and cannot play with based on what you see on some list...you're judging those who took legal, responsible steps to obtain a gun (and possibly don't even own one) meanwhile you could be ignoring the next parent who is not on that list but does own a gun in their home (illegally and unrecorded). I'd much rather have my childs fate in the hands of a responsible gun owner who would be more likely to take safety precautions rather than some person with unregistered illegal guns who shows no regard for law or safety. Our decisions on who is responsible enough to watch after our children should be a much more personal decision than just what some paper says. I want to KNOW the person my son stays with...hang around for a few play dates, get to know the whole family, ask questions, ASK if they own guns and look for their reaction, does it seem genuine, if the answer is yes do they automatically offer information on what safety measures have been taken? after all, they have children too, I'm sure they care about the safety of their own children just as much as you do. But I would not rely on a list like this to do my decision making for me...not unless it was telling me they were pedophiles / rapists
I'm not basing who my children can play with based on the list - the kids in question are older but it troubles me that they potentially have access to a gun based on other things they have done around the neighborhood. My children have had playdates in homes with guns - some of DS closest friends have dads who are current or former police officers.
I don't know if I am happy that I know because there is nothing that can be done about it - although maybe those in the neighborhood will call the cops more quickly when incidents occur.
Maybe in light of the recent tragedy I am more on edge.
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| Posted 12/28/12 9:28 PM |
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by JessNicole7EM
Just curious, but I have a question for all the parents on here who are saying they would want to know if their child is going on a play date at someones home who has a gun.
Previous to these recent gun discussions have you ever looked up the gun license list to check on the parents of kids your children associate with?
and have you ever asked someone if they had a gun in the home when your child was planning to go to their home?
This is not meant to be judgemental in any capacity, I'm genuinely curious if people have done this before.
Our school district is starting a safe homes registry. The focus is the serving of alcohol but I am pretty sure that they also restrict sign ups to people who either have no guns or will sign that they keep them in safes. Participation is voluntary but yes, I will use the registry. I may get slammed for this but I'm generally not as concerned about the homes of police officers as I am with the homes of people who did not receive decent training in the storage of their guns or who have less to lose if their gun goes off. I've been in a situation where I was told that someone's gun was locked up but it was actually within arms' reach of toddlers during a family gathering. Yet I was criticised for raising a stink about it  .
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| Posted 12/28/12 10:56 PM |
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JessNicole7EMF
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Posted by JessNicole7EM
Just curious, but I have a question for all the parents on here who are saying they would want to know if their child is going on a play date at someones home who has a gun.
Previous to these recent gun discussions have you ever looked up the gun license list to check on the parents of kids your children associate with?
and have you ever asked someone if they had a gun in the home when your child was planning to go to their home?
This is not meant to be judgemental in any capacity, I'm genuinely curious if people have done this before.
Our school district is starting a safe homes registry. The focus is the serving of alcohol but I am pretty sure that they also restrict sign ups to people who either have no guns or will sign that they keep them in safes. Participation is voluntary but yes, I will use the registry. I may get slammed for this but I'm generally not as concerned about the homes of police officers as I am with the homes of people who did not receive decent training in the storage of their guns or who have less to lose if their gun goes off. I've been in a situation where I was told that someone's gun was locked up but it was actually within arms' reach of toddlers during a family gathering. Yet I was criticised for raising a stink about it .
that's really scary, and I don't blame you for using the list now that you know it is available.
I am curious however if mothers/fathers (I am not a mother) have asked if people have a gun in the home before their child goes there.
editted for typing to fast and making little sense.
Message edited 12/30/2012 12:53:46 AM.
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| Posted 12/30/12 12:52 AM |
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hotsauce345
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by JessNicole7EM
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Posted by JessNicole7EM
Just curious, but I have a question for all the parents on here who are saying they would want to know if their child is going on a play date at someones home who has a gun.
Previous to these recent gun discussions have you ever looked up the gun license list to check on the parents of kids your children associate with?
and have you ever asked someone if they had a gun in the home when your child was planning to go to their home?
This is not meant to be judgemental in any capacity, I'm genuinely curious if people have done this before.
Our school district is starting a safe homes registry. The focus is the serving of alcohol but I am pretty sure that they also restrict sign ups to people who either have no guns or will sign that they keep them in safes. Participation is voluntary but yes, I will use the registry. I may get slammed for this but I'm generally not as concerned about the homes of police officers as I am with the homes of people who did not receive decent training in the storage of their guns or who have less to lose if their gun goes off. I've been in a situation where I was told that someone's gun was locked up but it was actually within arms' reach of toddlers during a family gathering. Yet I was criticised for raising a stink about it .
that's really scary, and I don't blame you for using the list now that you know it is available.
I am curious however if mothers/fathers (I am not a mother) have asked if people have a gun in the home before their child goes there.
editted for typing to fast and making little sense.
my son is only 17 months now so I have never left him with anyone besides grandparents. DH's parents DO NOT own guns...but my mother does. When we went to visit my mom in VA, I asked her if she had her guns in the safe and she said "of course, do you really think I'd have guns lying around when my grandson is here?" I know my mom and trust her to be responsible...and my son was not left unattended at any time anyway so it wasn't a concern for me.
However, If I were to let him stay with someone when I was not watching his every move, I ABSOLUTELY would ask those types of questions re: gun ownership and safety precautions. I would have no problem asking about drugs either. There is no shame...my sons safety is a top priority and if someone takes offense to that then my son doesn't need to be there bc anyone with any common sense should understand why those questions are so important. To me, it's not awkward or rude to ask...it's good parenting.
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JessNicole7EMF
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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by JessNicole7EM
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Posted by JessNicole7EM
Just curious, but I have a question for all the parents on here who are saying they would want to know if their child is going on a play date at someones home who has a gun.
Previous to these recent gun discussions have you ever looked up the gun license list to check on the parents of kids your children associate with?
and have you ever asked someone if they had a gun in the home when your child was planning to go to their home?
This is not meant to be judgemental in any capacity, I'm genuinely curious if people have done this before.
Our school district is starting a safe homes registry. The focus is the serving of alcohol but I am pretty sure that they also restrict sign ups to people who either have no guns or will sign that they keep them in safes. Participation is voluntary but yes, I will use the registry. I may get slammed for this but I'm generally not as concerned about the homes of police officers as I am with the homes of people who did not receive decent training in the storage of their guns or who have less to lose if their gun goes off. I've been in a situation where I was told that someone's gun was locked up but it was actually within arms' reach of toddlers during a family gathering. Yet I was criticised for raising a stink about it .
that's really scary, and I don't blame you for using the list now that you know it is available.
I am curious however if mothers/fathers (I am not a mother) have asked if people have a gun in the home before their child goes there.
editted for typing to fast and making little sense.
my son is only 17 months now so I have never left him with anyone besides grandparents. DH's parents DO NOT own guns...but my mother does. When we went to visit my mom in VA, I asked her if she had her guns in the safe and she said "of course, do you really think I'd have guns lying around when my grandson is here?" I know my mom and trust her to be responsible...and my son was not left unattended at any time anyway so it wasn't a concern for me.
However, If I were to let him stay with someone when I was not watching his every move, I ABSOLUTELY would ask those types of questions re: gun ownership and safety precautions. I would have no problem asking about drugs either. There is no shame...my sons safety is a top priority and if someone takes offense to that then my son doesn't need to be there bc anyone with any common sense should understand why those questions are so important. To me, it's not awkward or rude to ask...it's good parenting.
I agree with you, it IS good parenting.
But now I'm curious... how do you bring that up in a converastion? and what makes you think they won't just lie?
"Hey you. You shoot up?"
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