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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Ophelia
I understand completely about the upkeep...but I just don't see how abandoning a neighborhood b/c of that is the solution.
and let's face it, anything can happen to anyone at any time. people can fall on financial hard times from any tax bracket.
I understand people fall on hard times. The owners prior to us were elderly. Our home hadn't been touched in 20 plus years! (I mean nothing was touched!) BUT they were still proud of their home and maintained the inside and outside the best they could.
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but the "those" people mentaility. like I said...it kills me.
"those" people can sometimes be the best neighbors you can have. b/c while they may have paint chipping off their porch, you are always welcome to sit on it.
The term "those" was NOT used by the OP, it was by other posters who made inferences to the OP's initial post.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Maathy317
The area of Brooklyn I lived in was Bushwick. I lived on Wilson Avenue near Menahan Street. You put realities in quotes as if what I said didn't happen or maybe I am just exaggerating. You can believe me or not, but, I saw a beautiful community turned into a slum because of the quality of people who moved in. Being poor had nothing to do with it. No one in that neighborhood was rich or well-off, but, they, actually gave a d*mn about where they lived. I don't care if you're rich, poor or somewhere in between. There is no need for any neighborhood to deteriorate as this one did. Slums don't make themselves. People make them and that's exactly what happened here. Thankfully, as I stated before, a better quality of people moved in and are trying to revitalize the area.
excuse me while I go ask my co-worker of a few of my friends about what kind of a quality person they are.
If you think maintaining the paint on your house or upkeeping your home is the mark of a quality person...more power to you. I don't.
yes, people make slums. If landlords don't give a crap about you, they will let your buidling turn into a disaster.
I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
does anyone even know what we're talking about anymore??
sheesh!
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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Posted by Ophelia
I understand completely about the upkeep...but I just don't see how abandoning a neighborhood b/c of that is the solution.
and let's face it, anything can happen to anyone at any time. people can fall on financial hard times from any tax bracket.
I understand people fall on hard times. The owners prior to us were elderly. Our home hadn't been touched in 20 plus years! (I mean nothing was touched!) BUT they were still proud of their home and maintained the inside and outside the best they could.
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but the "those" people mentaility. like I said...it kills me.
"those" people can sometimes be the best neighbors you can have. b/c while they may have paint chipping off their porch, you are always welcome to sit on it.
The term "those" was NOT used by the OP, it was by other posters who made inferences to the OP's initial post.
I never meant to insinuate that the term those people was used by the OP.
there is an underlying racial factor in this whole discussion.
I am willing to hazzard a bet that when Maathy left Bushwick, it was when there was a great influx of black and hispanic workers into the area.
their povery and the poverty of the people that lived in Bushwick, Bedstuy, and East New York before them cannot be compared.
Goobster and Chatham, I will say again that I understand what you all are saying. All I am saying that the OP wondering if she should get out of dodge now is very predjudicial since she has no idea who her new neighbors would be. this is the crux of my issue.
there are assumptions being made on this thread left and right (hell, in my post) so I will just leave it at that.
I don't wish a loss of money on anyone. I hope that everyone can find a home they can love and maintain and be proud of.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Ophelia
I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
Do you think those well dressed people live in the city or just are working there? Do you think they do that on their front lawns if they live in the suburbs? Maybe they don't give a crap b/c they don't live there. Exactly why often renters don't give a crap and people worry about rentals. They have no vested interest in a neighborhood.
And why do you seem to doubt Maathy317's experience?
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I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
Do you think those well dressed people live in the city or just are working there? Do you think they do that on their front lawns if they live in the suburbs? Maybe they don't give a crap b/c they don't live there. Exactly why often renters don't give a crap and people worry about rentals. They have no vested interest in a neighborhood.
And why do you seem to doubt Maathy317's experience?
I do not doubt Maathy's experience at all, as I addressed in my last post. but when you have friends and family that live in an area whose quality is being judged, it's bothersome.
and I agree, that people need a vested interest in something in order to care.
but that is with the buyers who THEN rent, not the buyers who are eeking by.
this has gone way off track (and it most likely my fault) so I will just say that.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Ophelia
yes, people make slums. If landlords don't give a crap about you, they will let your buidling turn into a disaster.
I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
My family moved when my father saw our neighborhood going downhill. My father maintained the properties and rented them out. Well, let's just say many folks (not all) don't care what happens to their rental. It's not their property, not their investment...so what does it matter to them.
30 plus years later, the neighborhood has never come back and never will. (It's now primarily commercial properties.)
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Posted by Ophelia
there is an underlying racial factor in this whole discussion.
I am willing to hazzard a bet that when Maathy left Bushwick, it was when there was a great influx of black and hispanic workers into the area.
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I think Maathy317 said they were white, the new crop of people she referred to.
And for me it is not racial. Where I live my home is one of the higher priced on the scale. And all the houses around me cost +/- 200,000 less than mine. And I have to say for some reason it shows. And no, they are white, whiter than white, TRUTH told.
I do plan to leave b/c I am tired of being the only one who has the concept that the garbage in front of your home is YOUR responsibilty to pick it up. I don't know why this is the case, but it seems I am the only one who realizes that my home is my biggest investment and I want it to show as that as well. Now I realize this can happen anywhere. But as Chatham-Chick said, it seems to happen LESS in higher priced areas where their home is their biggest asset and they want it to show as that. So why is that? Just bad luck, coincidence or correlation of some form?
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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Posted by Ophelia
there is an underlying racial factor in this whole discussion.
I am willing to hazzard a bet that when Maathy left Bushwick, it was when there was a great influx of black and hispanic workers into the area.
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I think Maathy317 said they were white, the new crop of people she referred to.
And for me it is not racial. Where I live my home is one of the higher priced on the scale. And all the houses around me cost +/- 200,000 less than mine. And I have to say for some reason it shows. And no, they are white, whiter than white. I do plan to leave b/c I am tired of being the only one who has the concept that the garbage in front of your home is YOUR responsibilty to pick it up. I don't know why this is the case, but it seems I am the only one who realizes that my home is my biggest investment and I want it to show as that as well.
that must have been a really long time ago, b/c there hasn't been white people in Bushwick for years 
and I was talking more about race v. the decline of neighborhoods rather than race v. upkeep...but I don't think I made that clear.
I guess when you have a very expensive house in relation to the other home around it, it could make a difference (my family just recently sold their Park Slope Brownstone  )
I can and do see the sides of your argument. and I am not in disagreement with them for the most part...I do disagree that the size of your mortgage is somehow correlated to the type of person you are, but I think that is probably a perspective thing, and maybe too subjective to be argued.
thank you for indulgind me ladies. I like to walk ideas out.
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Posted by curliegirl
I live in a neighborhood where it's split into 3, 2 very nice parts with 1-2 million dollar homes on the water, and then there's "the other side of the tracks" where you couldn't PAY me to live.
The people are white, just like me, but the way they care for their homes and the level of crime isn't somethng I want to ba a part of. And if they weren't white, It wouldn't make a difference either, just making my point.
Exactly. So will anyone venture into the topic of why it is that some neigborhoods or homes that are lower priced often (not always) attract people who don't take care of them?
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Let's not forget, many of the areas that are being discussed "changed" in the days when predudicial practice like redlining and steering were commonly used. These practices, which are illegal now, can dramatically change a neighborhood in a short amount of time.
I think the fear of some that their neighborhood will go to hell because of falling house prices is a bit extremist.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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The area of Brooklyn I lived in was Bushwick. I lived on Wilson Avenue near Menahan Street. You put realities in quotes as if what I said didn't happen or maybe I am just exaggerating. You can believe me or not, but, I saw a beautiful community turned into a slum because of the quality of people who moved in. Being poor had nothing to do with it. No one in that neighborhood was rich or well-off, but, they, actually gave a d*mn about where they lived. I don't care if you're rich, poor or somewhere in between. There is no need for any neighborhood to deteriorate as this one did. Slums don't make themselves. People make them and that's exactly what happened here. Thankfully, as I stated before, a better quality of people moved in and are trying to revitalize the area.
excuse me while I go ask my co-worker of a few of my friends about what kind of a quality person they are.
If you think maintaining the paint on your house or upkeeping your home is the mark of a quality person...more power to you. I don't.
yes, people make slums. If landlords don't give a crap about you, they will let your buidling turn into a disaster.
I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
Well, EXCUSE ME! Quite frankly, you have a h*ll of a nerve. I'm not talking about painting a home or maintaining the exterior. I'm talking about buildings being burned, rats running rampant because of the garbage, crime exploding, not being able to go outside your apartment because of fear, the smell of urine and feces in the hallways, trying to get past the drunks that have passed out in those hallways. I could go on and on. Before you start with your platitudes and getting on your high horse, try living in those conditions.
Unless you've been there, you have NOTHING to say.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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The area of Brooklyn I lived in was Bushwick. I lived on Wilson Avenue near Menahan Street. You put realities in quotes as if what I said didn't happen or maybe I am just exaggerating. You can believe me or not, but, I saw a beautiful community turned into a slum because of the quality of people who moved in. Being poor had nothing to do with it. No one in that neighborhood was rich or well-off, but, they, actually gave a d*mn about where they lived. I don't care if you're rich, poor or somewhere in between. There is no need for any neighborhood to deteriorate as this one did. Slums don't make themselves. People make them and that's exactly what happened here. Thankfully, as I stated before, a better quality of people moved in and are trying to revitalize the area.
excuse me while I go ask my co-worker of a few of my friends about what kind of a quality person they are.
If you think maintaining the paint on your house or upkeeping your home is the mark of a quality person...more power to you. I don't.
yes, people make slums. If landlords don't give a crap about you, they will let your buidling turn into a disaster.
I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
Well, EXCUSE ME! Quite frankly, you have a h*ll of a nerve. I'm not talking about painting a home or maintaining the exterior. I'm talking about buildings being burned, rats running rampant because of the garbage, crime exploding, not being able to go outside your apartment because of fear, the smell of urine and feces in the hallways, trying to get past the drunks that have passed out in those hallways. I could go on and on. Before you start with your platitudes and getting on your high horse, try living in those conditions.
Unless you've been there, you have NOTHING to say.
first of all, I have been there, so you can relax about that.
and this is what happened to Bushwick. it wasn't the people that moved in, it was the JOBS that moved out
I am sorry that you and your family got caught up in that, but YOU at least were able to get out.
a lot more was involved in the downfall of Bushwick than the "quality" of people, and I think it's disgusting that you would even say that outloud.
and quite frankly, YOU have a lot of nerve, insulting a whole neighborhood of people the way you have.
I guess the people that had to stay there, in those conditions b/c they couldn't afford to leave deserve it then, b/c of their quality???
woo hoo for me and my nerve.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Sadly, this is the reason many areas see times of decline. This is what is happening in Detroit right now.
The people who can afford to move away, move away. And those who can't afford it must stay. Unfortunately poverty can bring out the worst in people. It is not fair to judge a "quality" of people. And this does become a racial topic because historically it has been minorities who were most affected by tough times and were forced to stay in these declining neighborhoods.
As I mentioned earlier, practices like redlining and steering just escalated the demise of these neighborhoods.
To get back to the original point of this post. These things that happened in the 60's are not very likely to happen today on LI. NYC is thriving. It would take a castastrophic disaster to completely turn NYC around, to what i was through the 70's and 80's.
I don't see that happening today. Do you realistically see the price of an apartment in Manhattan falling so low a "lesser quality" person could afford it?
Same for LI. The house prices here are HIGH, very high.
The falling prices aren't going that low. They are going low enough that a middle-class family can now perhaps afford a mortgage.
Also don't forget the mortgage industry is not what it used to be. Unless the 25 cousins are co-signing on the mortgage, one person alone ain't getting a mortgage these days if he or she can't afford it. It doesn't matter if all his brothers, sisters, cousins, and friends will live there and help pay for the mortgage. He still has to get the morgage to buy the house. Banks aren't turning their cheeks the other way anymore. Income has to be documented, credit scores need to be high, and in most cases, a down payment needs to be secured.
So to the OP and others who are concerned about illegal rentals and various other things that would contribute to decreasing property values: find something else to worry about. More than likely your new neighbor will be a nice, young family who takes pride in owning a home.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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The area of Brooklyn I lived in was Bushwick. I lived on Wilson Avenue near Menahan Street. You put realities in quotes as if what I said didn't happen or maybe I am just exaggerating. You can believe me or not, but, I saw a beautiful community turned into a slum because of the quality of people who moved in. Being poor had nothing to do with it. No one in that neighborhood was rich or well-off, but, they, actually gave a d*mn about where they lived. I don't care if you're rich, poor or somewhere in between. There is no need for any neighborhood to deteriorate as this one did. Slums don't make themselves. People make them and that's exactly what happened here. Thankfully, as I stated before, a better quality of people moved in and are trying to revitalize the area.
excuse me while I go ask my co-worker of a few of my friends about what kind of a quality person they are.
If you think maintaining the paint on your house or upkeeping your home is the mark of a quality person...more power to you. I don't.
yes, people make slums. If landlords don't give a crap about you, they will let your buidling turn into a disaster.
I can't tell you how many well dressed people I see throwing their crap all over the floor here in the city...they liter, the spill beer on the LIRR..why, b/c they don't give a crap.
can I ask what year you were chased from Bushwick by the heathens?
Well, EXCUSE ME! Quite frankly, you have a h*ll of a nerve. I'm not talking about painting a home or maintaining the exterior. I'm talking about buildings being burned, rats running rampant because of the garbage, crime exploding, not being able to go outside your apartment because of fear, the smell of urine and feces in the hallways, trying to get past the drunks that have passed out in those hallways. I could go on and on. Before you start with your platitudes and getting on your high horse, try living in those conditions.
Unless you've been there, you have NOTHING to say.
first of all, I have been there, so you can relax about that.
and this is what happened to Bushwick. it wasn't the people that moved in, it was the JOBS that moved out
I am sorry that you and your family got caught up in that, but YOU at least were able to get out.
a lot more was involved in the downfall of Bushwick than the "quality" of people, and I think it's disgusting that you would even say that outloud.
and quite frankly, YOU have a lot of nerve, insulting a whole neighborhood of people the way you have.
I guess the people that had to stay there, in those conditions b/c they couldn't afford to leave deserve it then, b/c of their quality???
woo hoo for me and my nerve.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. I WAS THERE, YOU WEREN'T. It had nothing to do with jobs. I was there when the first of the trash moved in. I was there when it began deteriorating. I was there and saw it first hand. Who the h*ll is insulting a whole neighborhood? Bushwich is a hugh part of Brooklyn. I was talking about the part I lived in. When you have actually lived it, then you can talk. You are spouting only what you have read or heard. Same as talking out your azz. I know what I lived and you don't know anything about it.
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Posted by Maathy317
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. I WAS THERE, YOU WEREN'T. It had nothing to do with jobs. I was there when the first of the trash moved in. I was there when it began deteriorating. I was there and saw it first hand. Who the h*ll is insulting a whole neighborhood? Bushwich is a hugh part of Brooklyn. I was talking about the part I lived in. When you have actually lived it, then you can talk. You are spouting only what you have read or heard. Same as talking out your azz. I know what I lived and you don't know anything about it.
next time we meet, you must reintroduce yourself. I was unaware you knew me, or my life, like that.
of course. it wasn't the joblessness. it was those disgusting, trashy people. If they had jobs and money, it would have been the same. if they had food and proper housing...not overcrowding in shanty apartment buildings, it would have been the same.
right. great.
I am so enlightened through your experience now.
Thanks for setting me straight.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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I live in a neighborhood where it's split into 3, 2 very nice parts with 1-2 million dollar homes on the water, and then there's "the other side of the tracks" where you couldn't PAY me to live.
The people are white, just like me, but the way they care for their homes and the level of crime isn't somethng I want to ba a part of. And if they weren't white, It wouldn't make a difference either, just making my point.
Exactly. So will anyone venture into the topic of why it is that some neigborhoods or homes that are lower priced often (not always) attract people who don't take care of them?
Yes I will....
Beacuse mostly it is JUST A PLACE TO LIVE, not a livelihood of living in a nice home. And mostly the homes are owned by absentee landlords looking to invest in a cheap(er) house and renting it.....
It's just the way it is. And the only way to now sell a home in the area is to lower your price........
And if not any of the above, there simply isn't any time for home upkeep because, let's face it, many people have to work multiple jobs in order to pay a mortgage, utilities, children and food on the table.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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Exactly. So will anyone venture into the topic of why it is that some neigborhoods or homes that are lower priced often (not always) attract people who don't take care of them?
Yes I will....
Beacuse mostly it is JUST A PLACE TO LIVE, not a livelihood of living in a nice home. And mostly the homes are owned by absentee landlords looking to invest in a cheap(er) house and renting it.....
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I agree, just a place to live. I am so happy to own a house that nothing else matters. They either don't care or are too ignorant to realize that it is not simply about owning the home, but maintaining it and keeping it visually appealing for surrounding neighbors b/c it does affect property value for all.
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And if not any of the above, there simply isn't any time for home upkeep because, let's face it, many people have to work multiple jobs in order to pay a mortgage, utilities, children and food on the table.
I agree, but in my experience, it is not this most times.
It doesn't take massive amts of time OR MONEY to repaint that fence, or put your garbage pails out of sight of the street or your neighbors, or pick up that soda can in front of your home, or put some cheap blinds up and keep them orderly, or put your trash out at dusk and on the right days, or close your windows so the whole neighborhood doesn't have to hear you, or pick up flyers and papers delivered to your home, or take your dog in when he barks so as not to disturb your neighbors, not parking in front of neighbors homes if you don't have to, etc etc...
So most of my own personal complaints are about the people who buy less desirable homes who do just as you said, act as if it is JUST somewhere to live and have no regard for doing small things that improve/keep up property value. They bought the dumpier house and they are happy enough with just with that....
And that isn't even addressing the rentals and how bad they can get.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
My father grew up in Bushwick in the 1950's and 1960's and he said the same thing Maathy said. It wasn't about jobs disappearing -- it was about people moving in and bringing with them violence and no respect for their neighbors or the neighborhood as a whole. They happened to be black and Hispanic, but that is not a racial comment. The same can be said for white people. It is a fact that the neighborhood met a serious decline. It is a fact that it became very dangerous. It is a fact that the people who moved in happened to be black and Hispanic. By saying that Maathy is being judgmental or racist, or whatever is being implied is ridiculous. These events happened and there is no denying it.
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Posted by luckyinlove
My father grew up in Bushwick in the 1950's and 1960's and he said the same thing Maathy said. It wasn't about jobs disappearing -- it was about people moving in and bringing with them violence and no respect for their neighbors or the neighborhood as a whole. They happened to be black and Hispanic, but that is not a racial comment. The same can be said for white people. It is a fact that the neighborhood met a serious decline. It is a fact that it became very dangerous. It is a fact that the people who moved in happened to be black and Hispanic. By saying that Maathy is being judgmental or racist, or whatever is being implied is ridiculous. These events happened and there is no denying it.
and just as those are facts, it is a clearly documented historical fact that many jobs were lost in Bushwick at that time.
maybe not your father's job. maybe not Maathy's fathers job...but MANY jobs.
why is it so hard for people to remember the HUGE racial barriers that were up back then? why is it so hard to understand that minorities DID NOT have the same jobs or same pay as white people in NYC back then?
my Grandfather is from Redhook and the same thing happened there. jobs were lost.
and you know what...he also blames the people.
but he HAD a job. he was able to leave. the oppression of poverty...REAL poverty...not Honeymooners poverty, is something I hope NONE of you ever face.
it's NOT necessarily a race thing. it's a POVERTY thing.
but when the families of people I know... good HARD WORKING families...hell people in MY family are being called trash and such (b/c Mrs. Maathy, they were YOUR neighbors back then) No. it's too easy. too much.
regardless of whether you want to believe race had anything to do with it, that is also a historically undisputable fact.
I don't care what your dad believes, or Maathy...but when it is insulting to other people and potentially racist, perhaps it's a subjective commentary better left unsaid.
look at the Tenements on LES. looks at where the Irish and the Italian immigrants lived...in the conditions that they lived...when they first got here.
all that changed is the time. and the ethic background.
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| Posted 1/22/08 3:58 PM |
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Maathy317
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Maathy317
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. I WAS THERE, YOU WEREN'T. It had nothing to do with jobs. I was there when the first of the trash moved in. I was there when it began deteriorating. I was there and saw it first hand. Who the h*ll is insulting a whole neighborhood? Bushwich is a hugh part of Brooklyn. I was talking about the part I lived in. When you have actually lived it, then you can talk. You are spouting only what you have read or heard. Same as talking out your azz. I know what I lived and you don't know anything about it.
next time we meet, you must reintroduce yourself. I was unaware you knew me, or my life, like that.
of course. it wasn't the joblessness. it was those disgusting, trashy people. If they had jobs and money, it would have been the same. if they had food and proper housing...not overcrowding in shanty apartment buildings, it would have been the same.
right. great.
I am so enlightened through your experience now.
Thanks for setting me straight.
Did you hit your head and lose any and all intelligence you ever had? Or, were you always this stupid? I, absolutely, love it when you tell some one your life experience and they have the gall to tell you are wrong. I'm done going back and forth with someone who doesn't have the good sense God gave a doorknob. Live in your dream world and when you get a chance to step into reality, you'll then would have taken the first of many, many steps in growing up. You should start now. You have a long, long, long way to go.
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| Posted 1/22/08 4:00 PM |
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MrsERod
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Maathy317
Did you hit your head and lose any and all intelligence you ever had? Or, were you always this stupid? I, absolutely, love it when you tell some one your life experience and they have the gall to tell you are wrong. I'm done going back and forth with someone who doesn't have the good sense God gave a doorknob. Live in your dream world and when you get a chance to step into reality, you'll then would have taken the first of many, many steps in growing up. You should start now. You have a long, long, long way to go.
wow. and you are a Grandmother? you should be ashamed of yourself.
not once did the PP name call. why resort to that level? i was reading this thread, and up until this post, i thought it was an informative, thought provoking topic....good points from both sides....
and then i read this garbage. totally unecessary.
edited for typo
Message edited 1/22/2008 4:09:45 PM.
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| Posted 1/22/08 4:06 PM |
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SweetTooth
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by Maathy317
Did you hit your head and lose any and all intelligence you ever had? Or, were you always this stupid? I, absolutely, love it when you tell some one your life experience and they have the gall to tell you are wrong. I'm done going back and forth with someone who doesn't have the good sense God gave a doorknob. Live in your dream world and when you get a chance to step into reality, you'll then would have taken the first of many, many steps in growing up. You should start now. You have a long, long, long way to go.
wow. and you are a Grandmother? you should be ashamed of yourself.
not once did the PP name call. why resort to that level? i was reading this thread, and up until this post, i thought it was an informative, thought provocing topic....good points from both sides....
and then i read this garbage. totally unecessary.
I agree with this.
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| Posted 1/22/08 4:07 PM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Maathy317
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Maathy317
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. I WAS THERE, YOU WEREN'T. It had nothing to do with jobs. I was there when the first of the trash moved in. I was there when it began deteriorating. I was there and saw it first hand. Who the h*ll is insulting a whole neighborhood? Bushwich is a hugh part of Brooklyn. I was talking about the part I lived in. When you have actually lived it, then you can talk. You are spouting only what you have read or heard. Same as talking out your azz. I know what I lived and you don't know anything about it.
next time we meet, you must reintroduce yourself. I was unaware you knew me, or my life, like that.
of course. it wasn't the joblessness. it was those disgusting, trashy people. If they had jobs and money, it would have been the same. if they had food and proper housing...not overcrowding in shanty apartment buildings, it would have been the same.
right. great.
I am so enlightened through your experience now.
Thanks for setting me straight.
Did you hit your head and lose any and all intelligence you ever had? Or, were you always this stupid? I, absolutely, love it when you tell some one your life experience and they have the gall to tell you are wrong. I'm done going back and forth with someone who doesn't have the good sense God gave a doorknob. Live in your dream world and when you get a chance to step into reality, you'll then would have taken the first of many, many steps in growing up. You should start now. You have a long, long, long way to go.
see now, that's just not nice.
I did not call you any names at all. and there you go calling me stupid.
you should be able to defend your point better than that, long in the tooth as you are.
I never said I didn't believe what you went through....I am sure conditions were like that and worse. My family comes from projects that are similar even now.
I disagreed (and backed my claims up with historical fact, rather than subjective memories) with the manner and reason that the decline occurred.
I took issue with you labeling 100% of the 70% of people that moved into that neighborhood as trash.
I am sorry if you think that is stupid of me.
I am downright happy to be stupid, if that is the case.
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