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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Why are all of you so offended by the OP's question?
Can't any of you have an open and mature discussion without the claws coming out?
Maybe the OP is concerned about the increase of investment properties which turn into rentals. What's wrong with not wanting rentals in your neighborhood???
doesn't seem to me that she's concerned about investment properties at all - IMO, it came across as though she's more concerned with the "class" of people who'd now be able to afford a home next door to her.
Does she have every right to know who's buying the house next door to her? Sure, BUT, don't make it about the color of their skin (which the OP pointed out as being part of the reason she's concerned) THAT to me is offensive.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Why are all of you so offended by the OP's question?
Can't any of you have an open and mature discussion without the claws coming out?
Maybe the OP is concerned about the increase of investment properties which turn into rentals. What's wrong with not wanting rentals in your neighborhood???
doesn't seem to me that she's concerned about investment properties at all - IMO, it came across as though she's more concerned with the "class" of people who'd now be able to afford a home next door to her.
Does she have every right to know who's buying the house next door to her? Sure, BUT, don't make it about the color of their skin (which the OP pointed out as being part of the reason she's concerned) THAT to me is offensive.
I think she was trying to point out shes not white so to speak so color wasnt a big issue and it came out wrong...remeber you cant READ into what a persons saying when they type...
Too many people are too desperate for drama, that they turn any obiquous post into a drama.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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Posted by MrsERod
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Why are all of you so offended by the OP's question?
Can't any of you have an open and mature discussion without the claws coming out?
Maybe the OP is concerned about the increase of investment properties which turn into rentals. What's wrong with not wanting rentals in your neighborhood???
doesn't seem to me that she's concerned about investment properties at all - IMO, it came across as though she's more concerned with the "class" of people who'd now be able to afford a home next door to her.
Does she have every right to know who's buying the house next door to her? Sure, BUT, don't make it about the color of their skin (which the OP pointed out as being part of the reason she's concerned) THAT to me is offensive.
I think she was trying to point out shes not white so to speak so color wasnt a big issue and it came out wrong...remeber you cant READ into what a persons saying when they type...
Too many people are too desperate for drama, that they turn any obiquous post into a drama.
you have your opinion of what she WROTE, and I have mine.
noone here is "desperate for drama" (at least I'm not) - so to ASSume that is ridiculous.
let's face it, there are many women on this site that are actively house hunting now - it's a BUYERS market - so is it possible that the OP may have offended some? absolutely. can't fault them for that.
factor in the part where she mentions it being partly about "the color of people" - and bam, offense taken. so what she's "not exactly white"! does that make it any less offensive. IMO, it doesn't.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by MrsERod
doesn't seem to me that she's concerned about investment properties at all - IMO, it came across as though she's more concerned with the "class" of people who'd now be able to afford a home next door to her.
Does she have every right to know who's buying the house next door to her? Sure, BUT, don't make it about the color of their skin (which the OP pointed out as being part of the reason she's concerned) THAT to me is offensive.
Are you sure her post came across as being concerned about "class" or was it everybody else's posts which made assumptions and inferences???
And let's say she is concerned about the class level (from an economic standpoint) of potential neighbors, what's wrong with that? Let's be realistic, your home is one of your biggest investments!
Why do we choose the neighborhoods we do??? You can't deny that people choose to live in areas where others are probably in a similar economic bracket (give or take some neighbors).
I think the OP has a legitimate question/concern as a homeowner.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Meaghan729
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I'm actually hoping many neighborhoods change. It would be nice if a lot of retirees moved down to Florida, and young couples with kids, or young single people, with or without kids, would be moving in. Young people have a hard time buying a house now, and neighborhoods really need young people to keep the neighborhood thriving.
ITA. My neighborhood is either original owners (and the houses need work) or couples in their 40s with kids. Id love to have more people my age around. 
I love my old quiet neighbors. No kids throwing balls on my cars. 
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by MrsERod
doesn't seem to me that she's concerned about investment properties at all - IMO, it came across as though she's more concerned with the "class" of people who'd now be able to afford a home next door to her.
Does she have every right to know who's buying the house next door to her? Sure, BUT, don't make it about the color of their skin (which the OP pointed out as being part of the reason she's concerned) THAT to me is offensive.
Are you sure her post came across as being concerned about "class" or was it everybody else's posts which made assumptions and inferences???
And let's say she is concerned about the class level (from an economic standpoint) of potential neighbors, what's wrong with that? Let's be realistic, your home is one of your biggest investments!
Why do we choose the neighborhoods we do??? You can't deny that people choose to live in areas where others are probably in a similar economic bracket (give or take some neighbors).
I think the OP has a legitimate question/concern as a homeowner.
ITA. WHO moves into my area is VERY important to me. I want to be able to keep the value of my house and the appeal to all buyers. So, I am concerned about it.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
ITA. WHO moves into my area is VERY important to me. I want to be able to keep the value of my house and the appeal to all buyers. So, I am concerned about it.
ITA, As a homeowner, I am concerned about who my neighbors are or will be.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by cpanyc
Well since me and DH are those who are trying to take advantage of the decrease in the market and we might end up being your new neighbors I'd say get out, quickly. Imagine, people who waited to buy so they could have a $2,000 mortgage payment instead of a $3,000 mortgage payment moving in next door-the horror!
Still not my Neighborhood, so I am safe...
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Milk-n-Cookie
ITA. WHO moves into my area is VERY important to me. I want to be able to keep the value of my house and the appeal to all buyers. So, I am concerned about it.
ITA, As a homeowner, I am concerned about who my neighbors are or will be.
TA as well
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Oh PLEEASE with this thread!!! I am so sick of people having to walk on eggshells with some posts because people get offended. 
I can totally see where the OP is coming from. Just like everyone here looked and purchased a home in an area that appealed to you, she is concerned about the neighborhood turning into something different than it is now because of the prices being lower. It has happened before to other towns and it could happen again. Let's face it, there are certain towns on LI that most people on this site wouldn't even dare to buy a home in, and unfortunately, but it does have to do with the people that live there. Color has nothing to do with it, it's how they take care of their properties, the crime, etc.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Maybe the OP is concerned about the increase of investment properties which turn into rentals. What's wrong with not wanting rentals in your neighborhood???
I agree with this very much. And I agree with the OP being concerned that people will squeak by in buying the home, add accessory apts or illegal rentals, have 10 people live in a single family house with 3 bedrooms to afford the payments, etc.
Things like that do happen when property values go down low enough for people to just buy homes to use as rentals. And homes with absentee landlords usually aren't the best for homeowners who actually live in theri homes and want the neighborhood to stay nice, clean, upkept, etc.
I think this may be OP's point and I do agree with it. Where I currently live, there was a situation such as this a while back. A two family home was priced really low for our area, so someone bought it JUST as in investment. Guy even lives out of the country. So the renters are under no obligation to upkeep the outside of the homes. So if garbage is left, or accumulates in the street, the only one who will go pick it up is me. And I do that, b/c it does reflect my home as a homeowner b/c it surrounds me.
The renters started "renting" a room to another man and he was clearly a concern. He clearly had some issue, wouldn't have been surprised if he was previously arrested or on bail, or a substance abuse problem, etc based on many things (and no, he was whiter than white). Beat up car with tix on it all the time, a different car all the time with expired reg/inspec on it, had a temper as we would hear him screaming, would run the stop signs, disobey all the community rules (parking rules etc). And since the landlord never came around, they had no clue this was going on. A high number of rentals or houses where large amts of people live in them, yet they are zoned for single family housing is NOT a good thing for a neighboring home owner.
So I agree with the OP, not really about skin color at all. About many other things that affect property value.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by dottiemchugh
It has happened before to other towns and it could happen again. Let's face it, there are certain towns on LI that most people on this site wouldn't even dare to buy a home in, and unfortunately, but it does have to do with the people that live there. Color has nothing to do with it, it's how they take care of their properties, the crime, etc.
Yes, not to name some towns but there are a few in LI that are notorious for illegal rentals, homes with 10-20 people living in them. Things like that do happen when property values go down enough for greedy landlords to gobble up all the lower priced housing. And as things change, who wants to live in them/rent them? Not as many people, so things start becoming very shady in regards to who the landlords rent to. Most times absentee landlords homes are kept the worst. They make their $, and they could care less about the neighborhood b/c they don't live there. And since they paid a low price for the home, don't worry about their "property value".
It has happened tp some LI towns and can happen to others as well. And if it happens, your biggest investment can become your biggest nightmare.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
As usual, the same people looking to start dramam just because there is the potential for it to exist.....
Anyway, I agree with the OP. Who wouldn't want to live in a nice neighborhood with respectful neighbors who care about the home and their community?
Should I have to see illegal tenants come and go and landlords let their houses go to pot while my husband and I break our asses to make our home look great? Where does that get us in the longrun?
I am totally afraid of not getting nearly what my house is worth because there are others who couldn't care less about their homes.
And I live in a reasonably priced neighborhood where there are gorgeous homes right next to ones that are in desperate need of some TLC.
How do you think we all feel not only having to look at that house EVERYDAY, but when we decide to sell, someone won't want to buy our beautiful house because they have to look at sh!t out their window?
Get real people and get off your soapboxes.....
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
i re-thought the question and i have to admit that since i am really not in the situation that the OP is in, it really is not a concern of mine so therefore cannot really relate.
like me, there are several other posters on the boards that live in upper middle class neighborhoods where homes will NEVER decrease to a point where it will be affordable for the “very working class”. not to be rude or snooty, just speaking the truth.
if i did live in such a neighborhood, yes it would concern me. however, i would be more concerned about property values decreasing due to "untidy" neighbors as opposed to the skin color of the neighbors.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
If you have kids of course you will worry about the class of people moving into your neiborhood, There are certain neiborhoods that I wouldnt move to and yes its because of the people who live there. I grew up in queens in Astoria, Jackson Heights and Bayside, I would witness stuff all the time that I would never want my kids to see.
It is not a racial thing because there are plenty of trashy people in each race.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Noone has to walk on eggshells, noone's on a soapbox - noone is looking for "drama" - but rest assured, if you FLAT OUT SAY that you're concerned about your neighborhood, IN PART because it's about the color of certain people moving in, then you'd better be prepared when someone gets offended.
the OP has all valid concerns. it's the "color" part that bothered me.
Re: illegal apts, report them.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by MrsERod
Noone has to walk on eggshells, noone's on a soapbox - noone is looking for "drama" - but rest assured, if you FLAT OUT SAY that you're concerned about your neighborhood, IN PART because it's about the color of certain people moving in, then you'd better be prepared when someone gets offended.
the OP has all valid concerns. it's the "color" part that bothered me.
Re: illegal apts, report them.
But the OP was jumped on for her initial post, which made no mention of race.
And even though the OP made mention of color, she was clear that it wasn't her main concern, but that there may be a indrect correlation.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by MrsERod
Noone has to walk on eggshells, noone's on a soapbox - noone is looking for "drama" - but rest assured, if you FLAT OUT SAY that you're concerned about your neighborhood, IN PART because it's about the color of certain people moving in, then you'd better be prepared when someone gets offended.
the OP has all valid concerns. it's the "color" part that bothered me.
Re: illegal apts, report them.
But the OP was jumped on for her initial post, which made no mention of race.
And even though the OP made mention of color, she was clear that it wasn't her main concern, but that there may be a indrect correlation.
i never said i had a problem with her initial post - i quoted her second post, where she 'clarified' herself.
the mere fact that she's partly concerned about "color" just turns my stomach, that's all.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
houses on LI are still VERY expensive when compared to the national average.
IMO, anyone who can afford a $400K house that needs work + $8K in taxes (at LEAST) must be doing pretty well!
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by MrsERod
Re: illegal apts, report them.
Sad thing is I have heard many towns in LI reports of illegal rentals never get resolved. Just hearsay, not speaking from experience.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
houses on LI are still VERY expensive when compared to the national average.
IMO, anyone who can afford a $400K house that needs work + $8K in taxes (at LEAST) must be doing pretty well!
You are talking about a single family or couple who can afford this. Take the alternate senario.
Multiple people move into that house to split the bills....you know, a family + extended family + renting out a room or two, etc, etc,etc. Increase in congestion, vehicles, garbage, strains the school system b/c the house is not taxed as a multi family etc.
Or a homeowner who buys it as a rental and rents out rooms....
Recipe for poor property values right there.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
houses on LI are still VERY expensive when compared to the national average.
IMO, anyone who can afford a $400K house that needs work + $8K in taxes (at LEAST) must be doing pretty well!
But we don't know when or where the OP purchased her home. Who knows what the current selling prices are in her area. We can't assume they're selling for 400K.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
houses on LI are still VERY expensive when compared to the national average.
IMO, anyone who can afford a $400K house that needs work + $8K in taxes (at LEAST) must be doing pretty well!
You are talking about a single family or couple who can afford this. Take the alternate senario.
Multiple people move into that house to split the bills....you know, a family + extended family + renting out a room or two, etc, etc,etc. Increase in congestion, vehicles, garbage, strains the school system b/c the house is not taxed as a multi family etc.
Or a homeowner who buys it as a rental and rents out rooms....
Recipe for poor property values right there.
if I had a neighbor like that, I would call the cops. that's illegal.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
houses on LI are still VERY expensive when compared to the national average.
IMO, anyone who can afford a $400K house that needs work + $8K in taxes (at LEAST) must be doing pretty well!
But we don't know when or where the OP purchased her home. Who knows what the current selling prices are in her area. We can't assume they're selling for 400K.
I said $400K b/c that's about the avg price of a home on LI.
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Re: Number of Homes For Sale + Decrease Market= Changing Neighborhoods
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
houses on LI are still VERY expensive when compared to the national average.
IMO, anyone who can afford a $400K house that needs work + $8K in taxes (at LEAST) must be doing pretty well!
You are talking about a single family or couple who can afford this. Take the alternate senario.
Multiple people move into that house to split the bills....you know, a family + extended family + renting out a room or two, etc, etc,etc. Increase in congestion, vehicles, garbage, strains the school system b/c the house is not taxed as a multi family etc.
Or a homeowner who buys it as a rental and rents out rooms....
Recipe for poor property values right there.
if I had a neighbor like that, I would call the cops. that's illegal.
It's not illegal when the cops/bldg dept comes and you have "family" living with you. No one can tell you how many "family" members can be living in your home. So there are ways around it for someone who wants to do something like this.
So this goes back to the OP's concern...
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