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Celt
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NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Moreno & Mata acquitted...
But guilty of 3 misdemeanor charges each and could face 0-1 year in jail...
Any thoughts?
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MsSissy
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
 From what I heard and read about this. I'm shocked!
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:34 AM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Absolutely sickening!
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:37 AM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by Mssissy
From what I heard and read about this. I'm shocked!
Me too 
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:38 AM |
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KittyGags
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Disgusting.
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:38 AM |
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Celt
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
See I don't know though... Like everyone else I was absolutely DISGUSTED when news of this event broke. It was so disturbing, and GOD KNOWS I had my share of those "too much to drink" evenings when I literally stumbled home out of a cab, kwim?
But part of me wonders if we're getting the real story in the media; i.e. if a jury acquitted them there HAD to be something that didn't add up right?
Not to say I think they're Prince Charmings, not at all, but what was the deciding factor in the acquittal???
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:45 AM |
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jam11308
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
I'm thinking that there was no real, hard evidence that anything happened. They had the tape where he admitted using a condom, but that doesn't = rape. So while there was probably a lot of circumstantial evidence, there was probably very little they could use to convict him of rape...
ETA: If nothing else, I'm glad they're getting in trouble for their conduct. They should never have been there in the first place...had he just done his job & left, not gone back and "comforted" her in her bed there would be nothing up for debate...
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ThePinkGoose
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
I don't think they conducted themselves appropriately at ALL....With that being said, we're relying on the testimony of a completely WASTED woman who was blacking out. There had to be more to this story especially if they got off. I can't call them disgusting because the story seems a bit 'off' to me. They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:48 AM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
sad ... to acquit someone there has to be reasonable doubt ... unfortunately, especially without DNA, there had to be reasonable doubt  ... i just hope they'll both lose their jobs for the shady trips back they did ...
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:49 AM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by AnaMaree77
I don't think they conducted themselves appropriately at ALL....With that being said, we're relying on the testimony of a completely WASTED woman who was blacking out. There had to be more to this story especially if they got off. I can't call them disgusting because the story seems a bit 'off' to me. They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
ITA
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:50 AM |
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MsSissy
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by colette
"too much to drink"
I believe this is it right here.
She just wasn't coherent enough to really remember how it all went down.
Which sucks...since I do believe she was raped.
Only going by what I heard and seen reported.
ETS: I was always under the impression that having sex with someone in the condition she was in, was considered rape? And if it's not, it probably should be. If she's passing out, she's obviously in no shape to consent to it.
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:51 AM |
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Celt
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
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Posted by colette
"too much to drink"
I believe this is it right here.
She just wasn't coherent enough to really remember how it all went down.
Which sucks...since I do believe she was raped.
Only going by what I heard and seen reported.
I think that's why this case is so fundamentally disturbing, kwim? Our age-old taboos about a drunk woman... The public just doesn't look kindly on a chick who gets sloppy drunk, so there's almost a presumption of doubt, or sluttishness, or whatever.  I truly hope that did not play into the jury's decision, as I'm sure they were instructed to disregard it, but who knows...
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| Posted 5/26/11 11:55 AM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by jam11308
I'm thinking that there was no real, hard evidence that anything happened. They had the tape where he admitted using a condom, but that doesn't = rape. So while there was probably a lot of circumstantial evidence, there was probably very little they could use to convict him of rape...
ETA: If nothing else, I'm glad they're getting in trouble for their conduct. They should never have been there in the first place...had he just done his job & left, not gone back and "comforted" her in her bed there would be nothing up for debate...
Exactly. We do not know the whole story, only the jurors do, and i have to assume that there just wasn't enough real/hard evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict them of rape
it's too bad because i'm sure something bad happened and it probably was rape, but because of her inability to remember and her condition, she just couldn't give convincing enough testimony. I'm glad the jury took this long to come to a decision though, you know they didn't take it lightly.
ugh, i feel so bad for her
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by colette
Posted by Mssissy
Posted by colette
"too much to drink"
I believe this is it right here.
She just wasn't coherent enough to really remember how it all went down.
Which sucks...since I do believe she was raped.
Only going by what I heard and seen reported.
I think that's why this case is so fundamentally disturbing, kwim? Our age-old taboos about a drunk woman... The public just doesn't look kindly on a chick who gets sloppy drunk, so there's almost a presumption of doubt, or sluttishness, or whatever. I truly hope that did not play into the jury's decision, as I'm sure they were instructed to disregard it, but who knows...
THIS
I can't really talk about assault/rape without getting really fired up - but what you said Colette sums up how I feel.
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:02 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by colette
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Posted by colette
"too much to drink"
I believe this is it right here.
She just wasn't coherent enough to really remember how it all went down.
Which sucks...since I do believe she was raped.
Only going by what I heard and seen reported.
I think that's why this case is so fundamentally disturbing, kwim? Our age-old taboos about a drunk woman... The public just doesn't look kindly on a chick who gets sloppy drunk, so there's almost a presumption of doubt, or sluttishness, or whatever. I truly hope that did not play into the jury's decision, as I'm sure they were instructed to disregard it, but who knows...
I do know what you mean.
And sadly, this is a reason why so many rapes go unreported.
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by colette
Posted by Mssissy
Posted by colette
"too much to drink"
I believe this is it right here.
She just wasn't coherent enough to really remember how it all went down.
Which sucks...since I do believe she was raped.
Only going by what I heard and seen reported.
I think that's why this case is so fundamentally disturbing, kwim? Our age-old taboos about a drunk woman... The public just doesn't look kindly on a chick who gets sloppy drunk, so there's almost a presumption of doubt, or sluttishness, or whatever. I truly hope that did not play into the jury's decision, as I'm sure they were instructed to disregard it, but who knows...
I agree, and i too hope it didn't play into their decision. I've been on enough juries to know that it probably came up, but they really do have to rely on the facts and the facts only - NOT any preconceived notions of what probably happened due to her condition
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:03 PM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by AnaMaree77
They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
You don't think it's disgusting for a married father of two to be having sex, consensual or not, while on the job supposedly protecting the public?
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:03 PM |
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IrishLasss334
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
I had a feeling this was going to happen, the jury was taking a long time to deliberate.
While I think the one guy is a complete azzhole and the stupid partner "went along for the ride" and looked the other way, I was not completely convinced, based solely on what was in the news, that rape occurred, it's hard to decide.
But definitely a scumbag.
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:04 PM |
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BethanyLynn
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
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Posted by AnaMaree77
They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
You don't think it's disgusting for a married father of two to be having sex, consensual or not, while on the job supposedly protecting the public?
Amen! Totally disgusting. And it is rape when the person you are having sex with is blacking out and cannot consent.
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:05 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by acm1899
Posted by AnaMaree77
They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
You don't think it's disgusting for a married father of two to be having sex, consensual or not, while on the job supposedly protecting the public?
Not to mention she was PASSING OUT! How is this consensual and not rape?
I can tell you if this was my daughter I would be spitting fire right now.
Irsihlass...I had feeling to due to the time they were taking.
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:06 PM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Posted by acm1899
Posted by AnaMaree77
They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
You don't think it's disgusting for a married father of two to be having sex, consensual or not, while on the job supposedly protecting the public?
I said "ITA" earlier but I want to clarify that I meant that I DO think it is disgusting but I understand why they were cleared of felony charges.
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:09 PM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
This is what kills me:
During the trial, Moreno told jurors he lay alongside the woman in her bed for a while, but that he never had sex with her.
My DH is a cop and he is FLOORED at this.
He said- to lay in bed with some woman, while you are ON DUTY and IN UNIFORM.
That is so far out of line it isn't even funny.
I just really feel these guys are guilty.
So does DH.
Horrible....
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KittyGags
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
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Posted by colette
"too much to drink"
I believe this is it right here.
She just wasn't coherent enough to really remember how it all went down.
Which sucks...since I do believe she was raped.
Only going by what I heard and seen reported.
ETS: I was always under the impression that having sex with someone in the condition she was in, was considered rape? And if it's not, it probably should be. If she's passing out, she's obviously in no shape to consent to it.
What you said!
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:15 PM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
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Posted by AnaMaree77
They were in the wrong 100% for the actions that they admitted to but I don't think what they did was disgusting and I personally do not think this was "rape."
You don't think it's disgusting for a married father of two to be having sex, consensual or not, while on the job supposedly protecting the public?
Amen! Totally disgusting. And it is rape when the person you are having sex with is blacking out and cannot consent.
EXACTLY!! I'm absolutely disgusted by this verdict.
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| Posted 5/26/11 12:53 PM |
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Re: NYPD "Rape Cops" cleared of all felony charges;...
Disgusted as well.
I do think she was raped. Looking at NY's Penal Code, the lack of consent involved includes the following in their definiton:
Mentally Incapacitated: when the victim is made temporarily incapable of understanding or controlling his or her conduct because a drug or other intoxicating substance (e.g. alcohol) was given to them without their consent.
I'm not sure of the evidence that was presented but I"m assuming the defense was able to give the jury reasonable doubt. How she was in a state to consent to beyond me.
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