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cjik
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by headoverheels
No, I don't think so.
Posted by cds58019
He even said himself in his speech last night - he was told by his military leaders that THEY knew where Osama was. Obama didn't go out there and find him himself.
Exactly. If he had fired the gun that killed him, definitely. But other than giving them the "go" he didn't physically do anything. It does help his ratings though 
I don't really understand this logic? No president fires the gun that kills someone. In a similar sense, when Presidents claim they "created" jobs they never go out there and actually create the jobs. Generally they form policies that enable companies to create jobs (though frankly sometimes it is dumb luck and a President gets a good economy while in office).
Did Obama do something extraordinary? Probably not, though he did move away from being a staunch ally of Pakistan's, which was a good idea. The military really conducted this search and mission, but ultimately, the glory (or the blame) rests with the President.
Will this help him in 2012? No doubt, though I think he is still far from a shoe-in. If the economy improves in the next few months, he will have a much better chance. Ditto if Trump winds up being the candidate against him IMO.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
let's hope not. he's been in office for 2+ years. something happened on his watch that we've been working 9+ YEARS for....
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
It doesn't guarantee anything, but it's going to increase Obama's approval ratings, and when people are happy with a president, they're more likely to vote for him. So it could definitely help get him reelected, sure.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
I did not vote for Obama first time around but it is fair to give credit when credit is due.
He gave the ok to go into a country that is supposed to be an ally. He gave the ok to go after him in a village filled with people, not in the dessert or under the rocks somewhere where people thought he was hiding. This was part of his argument against Hillary Clinton when he ran. He said he would go into Pakistan, the country of an ally, if it meant getting a terrorist. He held to his word!
According to the news Pakistan cooperated. I'm going out on a limb to say that Pakistan had no choice or he threatened to obliterate their country. I find it hard to believe Bin Laden was living in Pakistan for however long and the Pakistani President, who is SUPPOSED to be our ally, didn't know  And what makes me believe this is because according to reports,
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
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Nothing in politics is ever a lock, especially more than 18 months out. Does this give a bump to his poll #s right now, yes, but does it equal reelection? Nope.
And to the PP who questioned whether it was POTUS who gave the go or not, he did. He's CIC. No one in the military or intel community does anything without POTUS's approval/go-ahead.
I find it so odd how all of a sudden Obama is not the last buck in this situation, BUT he is for the economy, the petty political climate, the price of gas, the price of tea in China.....every ill we have in the country.
so typical.
I know, I hate this mentality. Anything that sucks, is Obama's fault. Something great happens under his presidency and now its "well he still didn't DO anything" 
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by Bearcat
let's hope not. he's been in office for 2+ years. something happened on his watch that we've been working 9+ YEARS for....
perfectly put! 
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by MrsSpring
Posted by Bearcat
let's hope not. he's been in office for 2+ years. something happened on his watch that we've been working 9+ YEARS for....
perfectly put!
and...that for 7 of those years had it ALL WRONG.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Leeners
What a weird, weird argument
President Obama has been in the planning stages - with our military and intelligence services - since last AUGUST. It was Obama that made them come back again and again with hard evidence before he even called the first of six meetings, and it was Obama that ultimately made the decision on Friday that the evidence was sufficient and credible to go in yesterday.
It would also have been Obama whose head would be called for if the intelligence turned out to be wrong and they went in and killed someone who was not Bin Laden.
Like it or lump it, he had a major hand in this - for god's sake - give the man some credit 
I agree with this.
people called to question his resolve. his commitment to finding him. his ability to negotiate the military, and his foreign affairs prowess.
Obama just got a ton of respect from me. A TON.
I don't expect that people who disliked him before to jump on his bandwagon, but really, it's sad to see the people cannot give credit where credit is CLEARLY DUE.
it takes A LOT of guts to be the man to give that order. to send a team into a foreign country (on who's hire ups were COMPLICIT in hiding Osama) and order the kill.
and it will take a lot of guts to take the heat from any fallout.
he has been able to accomplish much more than he should have been, given the current climate in the Congress.
whether you like what he's been able to do or not is totally irrelevant.
hats off to you today, Mr. President.
and my God protect and keep all Americans and our Allies today. b/c it is NOT over.
As usual, 
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Wasn't it greater cooperation with the Pakistani government that helped us to get the intelligence we needed? And wasn't it Obama who made the commitment to work closely with the Pakistani government?
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Hands down I bet it does.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
I think what may be more telling about his political future is how he deals with Pakistan from here on. I give him a lot of credit for making the decision to go in, but this issue is definitely not over. I do think at least some in Pakistan were supporting Osama and should be held accountable for that.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by JenniferEver
Wasn't it greater cooperation with the Pakistani government that helped us to get the intelligence we needed? And wasn't it Obama who made the commitment to work closely with the Pakistani government?
Pakistan was in the dark about the operations because we don't trust them.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by JenniferEver
Wasn't it greater cooperation with the Pakistani government that helped us to get the intelligence we needed? And wasn't it Obama who made the commitment to work closely with the Pakistani government?
Pakistan was in the dark about the operations because we don't trust them.
This has been made clear, but it also says we got a lot of intelligence from the Pakistani counterterrorism officials. Maybe it's 2 steps forward and one step back, but I can't imagine it has nothing to do with it
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
I think that's the point. People wanna blame the guy they THINK is in charge.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
I think that may her point. People who vote unfortunately are not always educated in how the system works, some aren't educated enough period to elect a President IMO. So in turn, people will vote based on things like this. Just like some people will not re-elect Obama because they think he is responsible for killing Osama.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by JennP
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Leeners
What a weird, weird argument
President Obama has been in the planning stages - with our military and intelligence services - since last AUGUST. It was Obama that made them come back again and again with hard evidence before he even called the first of six meetings, and it was Obama that ultimately made the decision on Friday that the evidence was sufficient and credible to go in yesterday.
It would also have been Obama whose head would be called for if the intelligence turned out to be wrong and they went in and killed someone who was not Bin Laden.
Like it or lump it, he had a major hand in this - for god's sake - give the man some credit
I agree with this.
people called to question his resolve. his commitment to finding him. his ability to negotiate the military, and his foreign affairs prowess.
Obama just got a ton of respect from me. A TON.
I don't expect that people who disliked him before to jump on his bandwagon, but really, it's sad to see the people cannot give credit where credit is CLEARLY DUE.
it takes A LOT of guts to be the man to give that order. to send a team into a foreign country (on who's hire ups were COMPLICIT in hiding Osama) and order the kill.
and it will take a lot of guts to take the heat from any fallout.
he has been able to accomplish much more than he should have been, given the current climate in the Congress.
whether you like what he's been able to do or not is totally irrelevant.
hats off to you today, Mr. President.
and my God protect and keep all Americans and our Allies today. b/c it is NOT over.
As usual,
Yes!!
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
I think that's the point. People wanna blame the guy they THINK is in charge.
YUP. And the morons we have in Congress play that to their advantage.
This plus an economic turnaround = 4 more years for Obama, right or wrong.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
I think that's the point. People wanna blame the guy they THINK is in charge.
YUP. And the morons we have in Congress play that to their advantage.
This plus an economic turnaround = 4 more years for Obama, right or wrong.
An economic turnaround plus what he just accomplished would get him my vote - not this alone.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
The man at the top gets the credit and the blame.
Maybe instead of forcing his shoddy healthcare plan down our throats he should have worked with his team to figure out some real economic plans. His stimulus plan was a waste
He has the senate and house for two year and did nothing, the people made him pay for that at midterm elections. The predicament he is in now is of his own doing.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
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WHy should it have any say if hes ellected again... He did not go out there and fire the gun. He just lissend to the military leaders yes hes lucky it happen during his term im sure it will help im a bit but i dont think its a shoe in for him.. I sure hope not atleast...
This is how I feel as well.
I feel this way as well, but as a lot of my FB friends are posting, they are giving HIM the credit, saying it was "their" president that did it...I think ppl are very short sighted to think that he did, it's been in the works for ever and JMO but I think he got lucky it happened under his watch
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by headoverheels
No, I don't think so.
Posted by cds58019
He even said himself in his speech last night - he was told by his military leaders that THEY knew where Osama was. Obama didn't go out there and find him himself.
Exactly. If he had fired the gun that killed him, definitely. But other than giving them the "go" he didn't physically do anything. It does help his ratings though
ITA.
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cjik
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
I already replied further back--yes I think this gives him a big boost and will help his campaign. Will he win? Don't know, a lot can happen between now and then.
One thing that I think can really shift everything for or against him is if there is some big retaliation against us (either home or abroad). There will be attempts at retaliation I am certain, though they may or may not be successful. Also how we deal with the Pakistani govt. from here on out is a big factor.
But I think anyone who gives him no credit for handling his part in this event well is not seeing this for what it is--a coup.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
The man at the top gets the credit and the blame.
Maybe instead of forcing his shoddy healthcare plan down our throats he should have worked with his team to figure out some real economic plans. His stimulus plan was a waste
He has the senate and house for two year and did nothing, the people made him pay for that at midterm elections. The predicament he is in now is of his own doing.
Um, no..congress has their own agenda. He was met with opposition every step of the way from the day he put his hat in the ring.
His healthcare plan has a lot of good stuff. You should check it out. I will personally benefit from some of it. It's not perfect but it has merit.
Stimulus plan actually worked in the credit markets. Banks are lending again. People got UE benefits and some people were actually able to stay in their homes.
So it's not all bad. Just saying he actually did do some good and now he has worked with his military and intelligence team in taking out Bin Laden.
And if you think anyone else could have done better, think again. The worst economic crisis in close to 100 years will take a lot more than 2 years to fix. It will take many years.
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Re: Osama's death = Obama securing four more years???
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by DRMom
Posted by annoyedTTCer
If come election day gas is $5 a gallon, home heat oil $4 a gallon and unemployment is still at 8% this will mean nothing to voters
What does that have to do with the President
This thread is just proof that people do not understand our legal system...Its CONGRESS PEOPLE!
The man at the top gets the credit and the blame.
Maybe instead of forcing his shoddy healthcare plan down our throats he should have worked with his team to figure out some real economic plans. His stimulus plan was a waste
He has the senate and house for two year and did nothing, the people made him pay for that at midterm elections. The predicament he is in now is of his own doing.
Um, no..congress has their own agenda. He was met with opposition every step of the way from the day he put his hat in the ring.
His healthcare plan has a lot of good stuff. You should check it out. I will personally benefit from some of it. It's not perfect but it has merit.
Stimulus plan actually worked in the credit markets. Banks are lending again. People got UE benefits and some people were actually able to stay in their homes.
So it's not all bad. Just saying he actually did do some good and now he has worked with his military and intelligence team in taking out Bin Laden.
And if you think anyone else could have done better, think again. The worst economic crisis in close to 100 years will take a lot more than 2 years to fix. It will take many years.
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