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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Redhead
yea i know...
but if the death option was the easy out...the better choice
why does pretty much every one of them Fight it?
ETA..i read wrong...they HAVE to appeal?
I'm confused, Red, the better choice for who? Do you mean the better choice for the convicted person?
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Redhead
didn't Timothy McVeigh not fight it?
If I understand it correctly, there are some automatic appeals in the system. And, oftentimes, groups opposed to the death penalty take on the case pro bono and keep the fight going as long as legally possible.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by dpli
I would describe myself as pro-life, but I don't think abortion should be illegal. While I know one can't really say what they would do in that situation until it happens to them, I don't see myself opting for an abortion. I don't think government can legislate morality and frankly all of the energy that is spent on the abortion debate frustrates me. I feel like if we spent a fraction of those resources on helping women with affordable child care, health care and enforcing child support payments, we would all be better off.
I don't support the death penalty or the war in Iraq.
I agree with 100% but.....
you sound pro- choice to me-
Pro - life thinks abortion should be illegal no matter what
I disagree... I think she has a great point. you cannot legislate morality.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by dpli
I would describe myself as pro-life, but I don't think abortion should be illegal. While I know one can't really say what they would do in that situation until it happens to them, I don't see myself opting for an abortion. I don't think government can legislate morality and frankly all of the energy that is spent on the abortion debate frustrates me. I feel like if we spent a fraction of those resources on helping women with affordable child care, health care and enforcing child support payments, we would all be better off.
I don't support the death penalty or the war in Iraq.
I agree with 100% but.....
you sound pro- choice to me-
Pro - life thinks abortion should be illegal no matter what
I disagree... I think she has a great point. you cannot legislate morality.
she makes very good points- which is why i agree- with everything except that she is pro-life
Pro- lifers usally think you can legistate morality
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dpli
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Beth1210
she makes very good points- which is why i agree- with everything except that she is pro-life
Pro- lifers usally think you can legistate morality
This is why I don't usually call myself either thing. I think being pro-life means that consistently one thinks that life should be protected. I think "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have become labels that are political and very emotionally charged. I feel like the use of them encourages people to stop looking at the very personal and individual cases involved in ethical and moral dilemmas. JMO.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
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I am Pro-Life AND against the death penalty.
I'm kind of unsure of the purpose of this post though.
read the waterspout post about ruffling feathers, that was the purpose for this one.
I did. That's why I don't understand. It seems that this post is looking for certain people with certain beliefs that seem to conflict, in order to impeach that persons credibility.
One person could say, "I am pro-life and support the death penalty." That person's argument is nullified (by some standards) because it doesn't fit one school of thought.
I don't know, perhaps I'm not articulating my point correctly.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by dpli
Posted by Beth1210
she makes very good points- which is why i agree- with everything except that she is pro-life
Pro- lifers usally think you can legistate morality
This is why I don't usually call myself either thing. I think being pro-life means that consistently one thinks that life should be protected. I think "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have become labels that are political and very emotionally charged. I feel like the use of them encourages people to stop looking at the very personal and individual cases involved in ethical and moral dilemmas. JMO.
I totally agree with you. The idea behind catch phrases like that is that issues/life is black/white and there are blanket definitive decisions/idea. IMO, very few things are black and white -- most things are in a grey area.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by dpli
Posted by Beth1210
she makes very good points- which is why i agree- with everything except that she is pro-life
Pro- lifers usally think you can legistate morality
This is why I don't usually call myself either thing. I think being pro-life means that consistently one thinks that life should be protected. I think "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have become labels that are political and very emotionally charged. I feel like the use of them encourages people to stop looking at the very personal and individual cases involved in ethical and moral dilemmas. JMO.
very well said- we basically believe the same things- but I would indentify myself as pro- choice-
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by dpli
Posted by Beth1210
she makes very good points- which is why i agree- with everything except that she is pro-life
Pro- lifers usally think you can legistate morality
This is why I don't usually call myself either thing. I think being pro-life means that consistently one thinks that life should be protected. I think "pro-life" and "pro-choice" have become labels that are political and very emotionally charged. I feel like the use of them encourages people to stop looking at the very personal and individual cases involved in ethical and moral dilemmas. JMO.
Well said.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
I am Pro-Life AND against the death penalty.
I'm kind of unsure of the purpose of this post though.
read the waterspout post about ruffling feathers, that was the purpose for this one.
I did. That's why I don't understand. It seems that this post is looking for certain people with certain beliefs that seem to conflict, in order to impeach that persons credibility.
One person could say, "I am pro-life and support the death penalty." That person's argument is nullified (by some standards) because it doesn't fit one school of thought.
I don't know, perhaps I'm not articulating my point correctly.
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO
waterspout made accusations insinuating that unless you are like her, you don’t love God. I’m sorry, but she is a self righteous fool!
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
I am Pro-Life AND against the death penalty.
I'm kind of unsure of the purpose of this post though.
read the waterspout post about ruffling feathers, that was the purpose for this one.
I did. That's why I don't understand. It seems that this post is looking for certain people with certain beliefs that seem to conflict, in order to impeach that persons credibility.
One person could say, "I am pro-life and support the death penalty." That person's argument is nullified (by some standards) because it doesn't fit one school of thought.
I don't know, perhaps I'm not articulating my point correctly.
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO :uncertain
waterspout made accusations insinuating that unless you are like her, you don’t love God. I’m sorry, but she is a self righteous fool!
I do not agree with her decision to post that where she did. The article itself was aimed at promoting a particular agenda, which leaves me cold. There seems to be other things going on though, as far as "waterspout" is concerned. So, I'd like to take her out of the argument.
That was my point though, you said that you wanted to challenge those who are Pro-Life.
You could also challenge those who are Pro-Choice? No?
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
I am Pro-Life AND against the death penalty.
I'm kind of unsure of the purpose of this post though.
read the waterspout post about ruffling feathers, that was the purpose for this one.
I did. That's why I don't understand. It seems that this post is looking for certain people with certain beliefs that seem to conflict, in order to impeach that persons credibility.
One person could say, "I am pro-life and support the death penalty." That person's argument is nullified (by some standards) because it doesn't fit one school of thought.
I don't know, perhaps I'm not articulating my point correctly.
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO :uncertain
waterspout made accusations insinuating that unless you are like her, you don’t love God. I’m sorry, but she is a self righteous fool!
I do not agree with her decision to post that where she did. The article itself was aimed at promoting a particular agenda, which leaves me cold. There seems to be other things going on though, as far as "waterspout" is concerned. So, I'd like to take her out of the argument.
That was my point though, you said that you wanted to challenge those who are Pro-Life.
You could also challenge those who are Pro-Choice? No?
I can't take her out of the argument since she is the one who prompted everything. I wouldn't have posted this thread otherwise. I wanted to prove what a hypocrite she is (and IMO, any pro-lifer is who is for the death penalty, war, etc)
feel free to challenge anyone, fine by me!
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
I am Pro-Life AND against the death penalty.
I'm kind of unsure of the purpose of this post though.
read the waterspout post about ruffling feathers, that was the purpose for this one.
I did. That's why I don't understand. It seems that this post is looking for certain people with certain beliefs that seem to conflict, in order to impeach that persons credibility.
One person could say, "I am pro-life and support the death penalty." That person's argument is nullified (by some standards) because it doesn't fit one school of thought.
I don't know, perhaps I'm not articulating my point correctly.
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO :uncertain
waterspout made accusations insinuating that unless you are like her, you don?t love God. I?m sorry, but she is a self righteous fool!
I do not agree with her decision to post that where she did. The article itself was aimed at promoting a particular agenda, which leaves me cold. There seems to be other things going on though, as far as "waterspout" is concerned. So, I'd like to take her out of the argument.
That was my point though, you said that you wanted to challenge those who are Pro-Life.
You could also challenge those who are Pro-Choice? No?
I can't take her out of the argument since she is the one who prompted everything. I wouldn't have posted this thread otherwise. I wanted to prove what a hypocrite she is (and IMO, any pro-lifer is who is for the death penalty, war, etc)
feel free to challenge anyone, fine by me!
I'm terribly sorry, I seem to have offended you, which was truly not my intent. 
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Beth
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
since post people who answered wer pro- choice- I would say you chanelleged both sides
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by McSullivan
I am Pro-Life AND against the death penalty.
I'm kind of unsure of the purpose of this post though.
read the waterspout post about ruffling feathers, that was the purpose for this one.
I did. That's why I don't understand. It seems that this post is looking for certain people with certain beliefs that seem to conflict, in order to impeach that persons credibility.
One person could say, "I am pro-life and support the death penalty." That person's argument is nullified (by some standards) because it doesn't fit one school of thought.
I don't know, perhaps I'm not articulating my point correctly.
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO :uncertain
waterspout made accusations insinuating that unless you are like her, you don?t love God. I?m sorry, but she is a self righteous fool!
I do not agree with her decision to post that where she did. The article itself was aimed at promoting a particular agenda, which leaves me cold. There seems to be other things going on though, as far as "waterspout" is concerned. So, I'd like to take her out of the argument.
That was my point though, you said that you wanted to challenge those who are Pro-Life.
You could also challenge those who are Pro-Choice? No?
I can't take her out of the argument since she is the one who prompted everything. I wouldn't have posted this thread otherwise. I wanted to prove what a hypocrite she is (and IMO, any pro-lifer is who is for the death penalty, war, etc)
feel free to challenge anyone, fine by me!
I'm terribly sorry, I seem to have offended you, which was truly not my intent.
I was not at all offended by you
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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I would really like to understand the whole killing a doctor who performs abortion. Why is that LIFE not respected?
I saw a documentary once called "Soldiers in the Army of God" about the so-called pro-lifers who kill abortion doctors. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in this topic. It is always terrifying to see God used for hate and murder. I always wish people would ask themselves what Jesus would do in a situation. I think the world would see a lot more compassion and kindness that way.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
are you for the death penalty?
what is your stance on the war in Iraq?
I am pro-life..... but neither for or against the death penalty..... I really unsure how I exactly feel- I guess it depends on the situation....
As far as the war...Well I come from a military household and currently have a father fighting over there- so you figure it out!
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Beth1210
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Pro - life thinks abortion should be illegal no matter what
I dont 100% agree with you-
I AM pro-life... and totally believe there are sometimes medical reasons why an abortion must be performed....
Im not understand all the eye rolling emoticons either....
Why is it that a prolifer opiong deserves  - just because majority dosent agree????
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I think that waterspout was wrong in her attempt to make people feel bad about being pro-choice but I also do not think other prolifers should be made to feel bad all being prolife.
Everyone's views should be respected
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I am pro-life. I don't believe in the death penalty, do I think some deserve it yes. But I don't think it's up to anyone to take a human life or decide that we can. I am a Christian, but I strongly believe that there are many people who construe the words in the Bible(Koran, Torah) to make it fit along w/ their actions. Like extremists who kill abortion doctors because in their eyes they are doing what the word of God is asking them to do. Look at terrorists and the way they use Jihad to benefit them. There is a difference between people who believe in a higher power and those who become religous zelots. I am one who respects everyone's religion and won't push my religion on anyone unless it is asked or questioned.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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Posted by Beth1210
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Pro - life thinks abortion should be illegal no matter what
I dont 100% agree with you-
I AM pro-life... and totally believe there are sometimes medical reasons why an abortion must be performed....
Im not understand all the eye rolling emoticons either....
Why is it that a prolifer opiong deserves - just because majority dosent agree????
I never rolled my eyes- but a majority of pro-life people do believe that abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape and danger to the mother- that was the bill they have been trying to pass
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by LadyLainez
I am pro-life. I don't believe in the death penalty, do I think some deserve it yes. But I don't think it's up to anyone to take a human life or decide that we can. I am a Christian, but I strongly believe that there are many people who construe the words in the Bible(Koran, Torah) to make it fit along w/ their actions. Like extremists who kill abortion doctors because in their eyes they are doing what the word of God is asking them to do. Look at terrorists and the way they use Jihad to benefit them. There is a difference between people who believe in a higher power and those who become religous zelots. I am one who respects everyone's religion and won't push my religion on anyone unless it is asked or questioned.
This describes me exactly!
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by LadyLainez
I am pro-life. I don't believe in the death penalty, do I think some deserve it yes. But I don't think it's up to anyone to take a human life or decide that we can. I am a Christian, but I strongly believe that there are many people who construe the words in the Bible(Koran, Torah) to make it fit along w/ their actions. Like extremists who kill abortion doctors because in their eyes they are doing what the word of God is asking them to do. Look at terrorists and the way they use Jihad to benefit them. There is a difference between people who believe in a higher power and those who become religous zelots. I am one who respects everyone's religion and won't push my religion on anyone unless it is asked or questioned.
Very well said. This is exactly how I feel, too. I am pro-life and and I am against the death penalty. As previous poster stated, I think living the rest of your life in jail is a much worse fate than death. Yes, I believe that a baby is a baby from conception - as a Christian I also believe that every human life has a soul, and that soul exists from conception, which is why I am pro-life.
However, I do want to say that it's very frustrating that such sweeping generalizations are made regarding people with a pro-life stance. The small margin pro-lifers who feel that killing abortion doctors is just are completely and utterly in the wrong. They are also incredibly hypocritical. But these extremists are only a very small percentage of pro-lifers, and it's very offensive to hear all pro-lifers branded as such.
Yes - for me, it doesn't seem consistant that someone with a pro-life stance would support the death penalty or the killing of any innocent human life - born or unborn. Like LadyLainez said, I am not one to push my beliefs on others but will share/defend if asked.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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Posted by LadyLainez
I am pro-life. I don't believe in the death penalty, do I think some deserve it yes. But I don't think it's up to anyone to take a human life or decide that we can. I am a Christian, but I strongly believe that there are many people who construe the words in the Bible(Koran, Torah) to make it fit along w/ their actions. Like extremists who kill abortion doctors because in their eyes they are doing what the word of God is asking them to do. Look at terrorists and the way they use Jihad to benefit them. There is a difference between people who believe in a higher power and those who become religous zelots. I am one who respects everyone's religion and won't push my religion on anyone unless it is asked or questioned.
Very well said. This is exactly how I feel, too. I am pro-life and and I am against the death penalty. As previous poster stated, I think living the rest of your life in jail is a much worse fate than death. Yes, I believe that a baby is a baby from conception - as a Christian I also believe that every human life has a soul, and that soul exists from conception, which is why I am pro-life.
However, I do want to say that it's very frustrating that such sweeping generalizations are made regarding people with a pro-life stance. The small margin pro-lifers who feel that killing abortion doctors is just are completely and utterly in the wrong. They are also incredibly hypocritical. But these extremists are only a very small percentage of pro-lifers, and it's very offensive to hear all pro-lifers branded as such.
Yes - for me, it doesn't seem consistant that someone with a pro-life stance would support the death penalty or the killing of any innocent human life - born or unborn. Like LadyLainez said, I am not one to push my beliefs on others but will share/defend if asked.
isn't that generalization kind of like saying the if you're pro-choice, you're pro killing babies?
lets face reality for just a second here. there is NO WAY that anyone knows what's best for anyone else.
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY! 
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
So true!! and I hope I NEVER have to go through that nor any future generations!!
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