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Beth
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Beth1210
personally if I knew I was gulity and was going to spend 50 years in a cell for 23 hours a day with out contact from anyone else
I would rather die- there is no way I could ever stay in jail like that
true...i think i agree
No you wouldn't, you would want to live. You would be begging for appeals just like everyone else on death row.
if I was innocent yes- but I said if I was guilty
I don't think I would want to live like that- sorry- I went on the Jail field trip in HS- no thanks
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Beth1210
personally if I knew I was gulity and was going to spend 50 years in a cell for 23 hours a day with out contact from anyone else
I would rather die- there is no way I could ever stay in jail like that
true...i think i agree
No you wouldn't, you would want to live. You would be begging for appeals just like everyone else on death row.
if I was innocent yes- but I said if I was guilty
I don't think I would want to live like that- sorry- I went on the Jail field trip in HS- no thanks
My Dad is a Warden at Rikers. Been there done that. Did you know everyone in jail is innocent...that's why they appeal and appeal and appeal? Help's them live longer. I just think when a person has the instinct to live you are going to choose life over death. No one wants to die.
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| Posted 6/15/06 4:11 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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My Dad is a Warden at Rikers. Been there done that. Did you know everyone in jail is innocent...that's why they appeal and appeal and appeal? Help's them live longer. I just think when a person has the instinct to live you are going to choose life over death. No one wants to die.
hopefully neither one of us will ever have to make that decesion
I don't think I would survive a week in jail- let alone life- and the appeals are to get them out of Jail no? not just off death row-
( if they think they are innocent - they would be appealing to get out)
after all the appeals are exusted- I would still want to die- then spend the rest of my life in jail
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| Posted 6/15/06 4:21 PM |
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I agree, I hope we both never have to make that decision....unless of course you are a murderer...are you?!?! Would you like to admit something, I know how these public forums are so open for discussion. 
Anyway, appeals can be for lesser of a charger, so it can take them off of death row or if they are really lucky get them off.
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Beth
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
unless you count the squirrel I ran over in high school- no I am not a murderer
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Pro choice and pro death penalty
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| Posted 6/15/06 6:11 PM |
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by maybebaby
I get very upset over these topics...because for one I am pro-life but would NEVER justify killing a doctor who performs abortions...thats sick to me to equate the two.
YES There are pro-life extremists who do do these things. I think they need help. But as someone who is pro-life, believe me...it is VERY hard explaining my beliefs to most people who are pro-choice.
Its very hard to be in the minority, to read posts on this topic and to always feel attacked. Not everyone has the same values in life-its what makes us human. I don't believe in the death penalty either.
This is exactly how I feel!!!!!
Beth- I never said YOU were the one rolling their eyes.... (the only comment I directed at you- was my response to what I quoted you on)
But if you read through the beg. of this thread... there are ALOT of sarcastic remarks, regarding anyone who is prolife.... and I dont think thats fair!
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| Posted 6/15/06 8:27 PM |
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO
I consider myself Pro-Choice for everyone else, but pro-life for myself. I dont think that i could ever go through with an abortion if i found out that i had a baby inside of me, BUT i feel that that is each womans OWN personal choice to make for themselves. i Don't agree with those that use abortion as a form of birth control (meaning those that have had 4,5+) but again, its not my place to say what they do with their body.
The funny thing is though- while yes, i see that you were trying to trap people so that we could all point and say "Hypocrit"... if you really want to compare the Two, then in theory, it can be JUST AS hypocritical to say that you're Pro-choice AND Pro-death penalty. Assuming Pro choice means that you believe each person should be entitled to decide FOR THEMSELVES what they want to do with their body... and Pro-death penalty meaning that OTHERS get to decide for them, whether they live or die.... well, that seems quite conflicting to me.  I really don't think opinions on one topic should truly reflect opinions on the other.
and YES, i COMPLETELY disagree with the pro-lifers that kill abortion doctors. They ARE 100% hypocritical, But, they are EXTREMISTS. and to brand a whole group of people with that belief, based on the horrible acts of such a small percentage is completely unfair. That's just like saying that all White people are bad because of White Supremisists. It's an ignorant statement to make IMO
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| Posted 6/15/06 8:42 PM |
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maybebaby
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by neeniebean86
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
my point was simply to challenge those who are pro life. if you claim that it is God's will that you got pregnant and you must have a baby no matter what, how can you play God and decide to end someone's life, or be pro-war.
it's completely hypocritical, IMO
I consider myself Pro-Choice for everyone else, but pro-life for myself. I dont think that i could ever go through with an abortion if i found out that i had a baby inside of me, BUT i feel that that is each womans OWN personal choice to make for themselves. i Don't agree with those that use abortion as a form of birth control (meaning those that have had 4,5+) but again, its not my place to say what they do with their body.
The funny thing is though- while yes, i see that you were trying to trap people so that we could all point and say "Hypocrit"... if you really want to compare the Two, then in theory, it can be JUST AS hypocritical to say that you're Pro-choice AND Pro-death penalty. Assuming Pro choice means that you believe each person should be entitled to decide FOR THEMSELVES what they want to do with their body... and Pro-death penalty meaning that OTHERS get to decide for them, whether they live or die.... well, that seems quite conflicting to me. I really don't think opinions on one topic should truly reflect opinions on the other.
and YES, i COMPLETELY disagree with the pro-lifers that kill abortion doctors. They ARE 100% hypocritical, But, they are EXTREMISTS. and to brand a whole group of people with that belief, based on the horrible acts of such a small percentage is completely unfair. That's just like saying that all White people are bad because of White Supremisists. It's an ignorant statement to make IMO
Well said!!! You summed up my feelings very well. I absolutely loathe when people make the comparison to pro lifers being hypocritical in ways. It doesn't work like that. Pro choicers can be hypocrites as well in many areas of life. Just like the person who won't eat meat because its cruel to animals, yet wears leather (another debate, lol)
I don't think its ever right to assume anything about anyone-its too dangerous. And truthfully...without getting too much into it, I believe the life of an unborn child is a different situation to that of a convicted murdered YET i still don't agree with the death penalty.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by neeniebean86
The funny thing is though- while yes, i see that you were trying to trap people so that we could all point and say "Hypocrit"... if you really want to compare the Two, then in theory, it can be JUST AS hypocritical to say that you're Pro-choice AND Pro-death penalty. Assuming Pro choice means that you believe each person should be entitled to decide FOR THEMSELVES what they want to do with their body... and Pro-death penalty meaning that OTHERS get to decide for them, whether they live or die.... well, that seems quite conflicting to me. I really don't think opinions on one topic should truly reflect opinions on the other.
This is exactly what I was trying to say!
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| Posted 6/16/06 9:31 AM |
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Beth1210
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Posted by Beth1210
Posted by BabyAvocado
I'm pro-choice but against the death penalty.
me too- IMO rotting in Jail for your whole life is MUCH worse then death
see...if it was such the better choice...to die.
why does everyone try sooo hard to get the ruling overturned
they have to appeal- it's part of the process
yea i know...
but if the death option was the easy out...the better choice
why does pretty much every one of them Fight it?
ETA..i read wrong...they HAVE to appeal?
People convicted and sentenced to death cannot waive the right to appeal. They must go through the appeals process even if they are willing to accept their sentence and want to die. At some point, they can choose whether to go through additional appeals and pleas for intervention.
There's a lot of red tape to go through in all death penalty cases. It doesn't matter whether the person convicted wants or is ready to receive the sentence. Last year in CT, Michael Ross was executed. For 10 years, he tried to speed up his execution. He didn't want to pursue additional appeals and asked to die. His execution was delayed several times by a federal judge and his attorneys. Also, his family continued the appeals up until the execution arguing Ross wasn't competent to drop the appeals.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I'm pro-life, anti death penalty, anti- Iraq War
ETA: The OP seemed a little confrontational, jmo.
As I said on the other thread, I'm ideologially/morally pro-life, but I don't know if I have the right or if the government has the right to tell someone else what to do with their body for 9 mos. I'm just not sure either way, so until then I won't be marching in any parades either way.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
PRO-CHOICE, PRO DEATH PENALTY and ALTHOUGH i DID AGREE WITH THE WAR I AM WISHING IT WOULD JUST BE DONE WITH NOW!
ets PRO CHOICE ..I DID NOT MEAN PRO LIFE
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Daveswife
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I'm pro-life, however i believe that everyone should have a choice. I am against the death penalty.
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MegZee
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I am personally pro-life, however who am I to say what someone else should do in such a sensitive personal issue???
so I guess im pro-choice?? lol who knows.
I am pro death peanlty though. Such a huge difference between the two, I dont think anyone can say if you are pro life and pro death peanalty that you are a hypocrite....
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Shroggie
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by BabyAvocado
I'm pro-choice but against the death penalty.
me too- IMO rotting in Jail for your whole life is MUCH worse then death
and we make too many mistakes with DNA testing etc for me -
and once the person is dead the wrong can't be corrected
as far as being pro- choice is concerned- that doesn't mean I am PRO- ABORTION- it means I believe in the right to make that choice-
I feel exactly the same way.
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MrsS1126
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I am pro-life however when it comes to the death penalty I am pro-choice.
ETA: As for the war, enough is enough...I wish it were over already 
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Diane
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I am FOR the death penalty
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mamaA
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I can't really give a straight answer.
I'm pro choice, in most situations. However I think people who choose to use abortion as birth control (Like a certain cousin's wife of mine) are just disgusting. There are SO many different reasons for each individual woman to make her "choice." It's when people choose to abuse that option that I think it's wrong.
As far as the death penalty is concerned I would like to think it would be better for people who committed atrocious crimes to sit in jail and rot for the rest of their lives instead of being put to a quick and painless death.
However, I feel that many of these criminals, especially the worst of the worst, do not have a conscience and wouldn't feel any guilt over there crimes anyway if they spent the rest of their lives in jail.
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lulugrrl
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by dpli
I would describe myself as pro-life, but I don't think abortion should be illegal. While I know one can't really say what they would do in that situation until it happens to them, I don't see myself opting for an abortion. I don't think government can legislate morality and frankly all of the energy that is spent on the abortion debate frustrates me. I feel like if we spent a fraction of those resources on helping women with affordable child care, health care and enforcing child support payments, we would all be better off.
I don't support the death penalty or the war in Iraq.
This is where I stand also. Although I do not think abortion should be a birth control. I DO think the choice needs to remain, because there will always be a special circumstance where abortion would be necessary, SERIOUS issues.
The war needs to end already....and the death penalty, I am unsure about that, but it does kill me to spend THOUSANDS of dollars per year for someone that has done unspeakable things, but I want them rotting in a jail cell, death is the easy way out if you ask me.
What it comes down to, is none of us can judge anyone else...inperfect humans judging other imperfect humans....It's exactly why the judicial system is so screwed up. There is never a 100% answer for all situations. Just My Opinion.
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Jesaroo
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by DMcK
My favorite hypocrisy is pro -life/ pro death penalty!
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Jesaroo
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
im pro-choice and anti death penalty/
i hate the term "pro life" as it in turn makes "pro choice" sound like "pro abortion"
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JenniferEver
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Lolita4Life
im pro-choice and anti death penalty/
i hate the term "pro life" as it in turn makes "pro choice" sound like "pro abortion"
That's why they're both just political terms. Pro-Life people who are political coined the term because it insinuates that the alternative is "Pro-Death" or "Pro-Abortion"
and "Pro-Choice" activists often call "Pro-Life" people "Anti-Choice"
The language really clouds the meaning.
But that's what politics comes down to most of the time..semantics.
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| Posted 6/23/06 10:22 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by DMcK
My favorite hypocrisy is pro -life/ pro death penalty!
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I don't see it as a hypocrisy. The death penalty is killing people who have commited a crime and therefore "deserve it" (I'm anti DP, BTW), and abortion is killing innocents.
Completely different.
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by DMcK
My favorite hypocrisy is pro -life/ pro death penalty!
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Just quoting myself because HONESTLY... i don't see how its a Fair comparison either way. One thing Really has nothing to do with the other... except that people like to use it as amunition, IMO. (and jsut to re-state, i AM pro-choice)....
Posted by neeniebean86
The funny thing is though- while yes, i see that you were trying to trap people so that we could all point and say "Hypocrit"... if you really want to compare the Two, then in theory, it can be JUST AS hypocritical to say that you're Pro-choice AND Pro-death penalty. Assuming Pro choice means that you believe each person should be entitled to decide FOR THEMSELVES what they want to do with their body... and Pro-death penalty meaning that OTHERS get to decide for them, whether they live or die.... well, that seems quite conflicting to me. I really don't think opinions on one topic should truly reflect opinions on the other.
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