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Stacey1403
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
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Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story! 
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Sorry but tough times because his wife was divorcing him because he was verbally and emotionally abusive to her doesn't get the sympathy vote from me. She KNEW he was going to kill her. She told people she was scared. She started attending a support group for battered women. She filed for an OOP. The courts didn't believe her. This is not someone who suddenly "snapped". This is a monster who abused his wife and emotionally scarred his children for life. Prick was an understatement
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Sorry but tough times because his wife was divorcing him because he was verbally and emotionally abusive to her doesn't get the sympathy vote from me. She KNEW he was going to kill her. She told people she was scared. She started attending a support group for battered women. She filed for an OOP. The courts didn't believe her. This is not someone who suddenly "snapped". This is a monster who abused his wife and emotionally scarred his children for life. Prick was an understatement
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JoJo2010
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
I hope nobody around you 'just snaps' one day....
Its NOT okay to kill someone bc you are having 'tough times' selfish!
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Considering a family member of the woman he MURDERED is on this board...you're picking the wrong time to chastise others for "name calling" someone who was a POS f**king coward ********* mothereffing scumbag.
I am beyond amazed that you would even have the audacity to try and say it's just "some people just snap..." like murdering someone and then yourself is just something that happens when you "snap" like it's no big deal.
Tough times? How about the tough times his children will have knowing that their father murdered their mother and then himself as they grow up orphans. Seems like whatever tough times he was going through is nothing compared to the tough times ahead for the beautiful little girls he left behind.
I'm sorry for coming off harsh, but seriously to be all "tsk tsk--no name calling!" when everything this man did was disgusting, really rubs me the wrong way.
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| Posted 12/21/11 9:38 AM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Considering a family member of the woman he MURDERED is on this board...you're picking the wrong time to chastise others for "name calling" someone who was a POS f**king coward ********* mothereffing scumbag.
I am beyond amazed that you would even have the audacity to try and say it's just "some people just snap..." like murdering someone and then yourself is just something that happens when you "snap" like it's no big deal.
Tough times? How about the tough times his children will have knowing that their father murdered their mother and then himself as they grow up orphans. Seems like whatever tough times he was going through is nothing compared to the tough times ahead for the beautiful little girls he left behind.
I'm sorry for coming off harsh, but seriously to be all "tsk tsk--no name calling!" when everything this man did was disgusting, really rubs me the wrong way.
and like someone else pointed out, he didn't just SNAP. He was abusive before he killed her.
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| Posted 12/21/11 9:46 AM |
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Considering a family member of the woman he MURDERED is on this board...you're picking the wrong time to chastise others for "name calling" someone who was a POS f**king coward ********* mothereffing scumbag.
I am beyond amazed that you would even have the audacity to try and say it's just "some people just snap..." like murdering someone and then yourself is just something that happens when you "snap" like it's no big deal.
Tough times? How about the tough times his children will have knowing that their father murdered their mother and then himself as they grow up orphans. Seems like whatever tough times he was going through is nothing compared to the tough times ahead for the beautiful little girls he left behind.
I'm sorry for coming off harsh, but seriously to be all "tsk tsk--no name calling!" when everything this man did was disgusting, really rubs me the wrong way.
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| Posted 12/21/11 10:15 AM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Considering a family member of the woman he MURDERED is on this board...you're picking the wrong time to chastise others for "name calling" someone who was a POS f**king coward ********* mothereffing scumbag.
I am beyond amazed that you would even have the audacity to try and say it's just "some people just snap..." like murdering someone and then yourself is just something that happens when you "snap" like it's no big deal.
Tough times? How about the tough times his children will have knowing that their father murdered their mother and then himself as they grow up orphans. Seems like whatever tough times he was going through is nothing compared to the tough times ahead for the beautiful little girls he left behind.
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I'm sorry for coming off harsh, but seriously to be all "tsk tsk--no name calling!" when everything this man did was disgusting, really rubs me the wrong way.
and like someone else pointed out, he didn't just SNAP. He was abusive before he killed her.
I could not agree with you guys more. Like Debbie said she tried numerous times to get away from this man. He didn't just snap. Who the fluck are you defending? 
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| Posted 12/21/11 11:05 AM |
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JennyPenny
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Re: Sad story...
I hope he is burning in hell as we speak. I believe no restraining orders should be denied.
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| Posted 12/21/11 11:33 AM |
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WNA01
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Re: Sad story...
i dont get whos defending who.. im not defeding anyone --- have u ever heard of people going insane? its not an everyday thing -- but it is a clinical term -- temporary insanity
i do feel for the wife -- i feel for the children -- i feel for BOTH families...
its horrible for EVERYONE involved.
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
just remember he also has family that may be on this board and they are just as devestated by this.. its a tradegy for EVERYONE involved...
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
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BargainMama
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
i dont get whos defending who.. im not defeding anyone --- have u ever heard of people going insane? its not an everyday thing -- but it is a clinical term -- temporary insanity
i do feel for the wife -- i feel for the children -- i feel for BOTH families...
its horrible for EVERYONE involved.
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
just remember he also has family that may be on this board and they are just as devestated by this.. its a tradegy for EVERYONE involved...
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
So what that they went to Ihop? Maybe she thought he would change, etc. etc. etc. Maybe she didn't want to get beat, so she agreed to go with him.
What I can't understand is why you would chastise someone calling him a name, because he DESERVES to be called every name in the book. If my family member did this to another family member, you better believe I wouldn't defend the POS.
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
i dont get whos defending who.. im not defeding anyone --- have u ever heard of people going insane? its not an everyday thing -- but it is a clinical term -- temporary insanity
i do feel for the wife -- i feel for the children -- i feel for BOTH families...
its horrible for EVERYONE involved.
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
just remember he also has family that may be on this board and they are just as devestated by this.. its a tradegy for EVERYONE involved...
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
Oh well if they went to iHop then I guess everything was just fine and dandy then...you're right that totally makes this all okay.
Is it awful for his family? Sure...but that doesn't make him less of a PR**K for what he did and how his actions destroyed BOTH families.
For you to come on here and tell people they shouldn't "name call" is unreal. Like anyone saying what a horrible person he wound up being is so bad compared to him murdering someone.
If you can't understand why people would find that upsetting, then I'm sorry for your ignorance.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
i dont get whos defending who.. im not defeding anyone --- have u ever heard of people going insane? its not an everyday thing -- but it is a clinical term -- temporary insanity
i do feel for the wife -- i feel for the children -- i feel for BOTH families...
its horrible for EVERYONE involved.
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
just remember he also has family that may be on this board and they are just as devestated by this.. its a tradegy for EVERYONE involved...
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
he's a prick.
actually he's more than a prick but I can't say it on here.
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| Posted 12/21/11 12:06 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by WNA01
Posted by ReiRei13
Why did he have to kill her? The prick just couldn't kill himself and call it a day! Those poor little girls! What a tragic story!
no need for name calling.. its horrible for everyone involved. i know his family and know he was going thru some very tough times.. sometimes people just snap...
my prayers are for his family, her family and especially for his children
Sorry but tough times because his wife was divorcing him because he was verbally and emotionally abusive to her doesn't get the sympathy vote from me. She KNEW he was going to kill her. She told people she was scared. She started attending a support group for battered women. She filed for an OOP. The courts didn't believe her. This is not someone who suddenly "snapped". This is a monster who abused his wife and emotionally scarred his children for life. Prick was an understatement
Um, yeah, I can't like this enough.
Thanks for saying what I couldn't seem to put into words without using more expletives.
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| Posted 12/21/11 12:08 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
D'oh! *SMH* they went to ihop - so NATURALLY, ALL was well with the world.
Talk about IGNORANT. 
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| Posted 12/21/11 12:10 PM |
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WNA01
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Re: Sad story...
the reason i said the ihop comment is bc they wetre in counceling-- they were trying to work things out.. sorry if i didnt clarify myself
but everything has to be explained on this board like a 2 yr old..
never once did i say hw was right... he was 1000% wrong--- however i truely believe he did go crazy...flame away, talk amongst yourselves, do whatever you all do best but i dont have the time to stay on the computer all day and chat
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| Posted 12/21/11 12:33 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by WNA01
i dont get whos defending who.. im not defeding anyone --- have u ever heard of people going insane? its not an everyday thing -- but it is a clinical term -- temporary insanity
i do feel for the wife -- i feel for the children -- i feel for BOTH families...
its horrible for EVERYONE involved.
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
just remember he also has family that may be on this board and they are just as devestated by this.. its a tradegy for EVERYONE involved...
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
he's a prick.
actually he's more than a prick but I can't say it on here.
Right, but they all went to IHOP as a family a few weeks before he killed her.
So take that prick comment back now, ok?
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| Posted 12/21/11 12:42 PM |
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Little-J-Mommy
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
the reason i said the ihop comment is bc they wetre in counceling-- they were trying to work things out.. sorry if i didnt clarify myself
but everything has to be explained on this board like a 2 yr old..
never once did i say hw was right... he was 1000% wrong--- however i truely believe he did go crazy...flame away, talk amongst yourselves, do whatever you all do best but i dont have the time to stay on the computer all day and chat
"Snapping" and temporary insanity are *just* that...temporary. You can't be temporary insane while verbally and emotionally abusing someone for years. Enough that she told her family he WAS going to kill her. Did she tell you they were in counseling and that's why they went to ihop? Or is that something he may have conjured up to his family because he was embarrassed his wife insisted on a public place for him to visit with the kids since she was scared of him? You say PotAto, I say Prick
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| Posted 12/21/11 2:35 PM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
the reason i said the ihop comment is bc they wetre in counceling-- they were trying to work things out.. sorry if i didnt clarify myself
but everything has to be explained on this board like a 2 yr old..
never once did i say hw was right... he was 1000% wrong--- however i truely believe he did go crazy...flame away, talk amongst yourselves, do whatever you all do best but i dont have the time to stay on the computer all day and chat
This makes me so sad. Many people don't know that you can't do couples or marriage counseling with an abusive spouse. They use the info against you and it usually leads to worse abuse than what was already going on.
However I think you were out of line trying to play mommy and say "let's not call him names" especially since this woman was a friend and family member to others on this site. I think he should be called every name in the book.
He most certainly did not go crazy. Abusers know what they are doing every step of the way. She wanted to leave him so he made the decision that she would not be allowed to live. Their history is clear - he was a classic abuser. It's just sad that the law wasn't on her side.
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JoJo2010
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
I think you were the idiot to post in the first place.
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| Posted 12/21/11 2:46 PM |
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by WNA01
i dont get whos defending who.. im not defeding anyone --- have u ever heard of people going insane? its not an everyday thing -- but it is a clinical term -- temporary insanity
i do feel for the wife -- i feel for the children -- i feel for BOTH families...
its horrible for EVERYONE involved.
just a fyi --- they went to ihop as a family a few weeks ago.
just remember he also has family that may be on this board and they are just as devestated by this.. its a tradegy for EVERYONE involved...
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
now im not going to debate this or defend anyone or say i feel worse for her family -- thats just plain silly ... its a tradegy the WHOLE family is going thru.. if u cant understand that then im sorry for your ignorance
I understand that it's hard to come to terms with a friend or family member doing something so horrible. I hope you are only defending him/making excuses for him (temporary insanity and ihop) bc you're hurt and it's still very fresh. Please understand that to the rest of us it is easier to see that this man who hurt his wife for years, murdered her, and then committed suicide in front of his two now orphaned children, is a monster. I'm sorry but in reality that's the way it is.
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| Posted 12/21/11 4:04 PM |
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WNA01
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Re: Sad story...
Posted by JoJo2010
Posted by WNA01
to the idiot who said they hope i dont have anyone snap in my family -- grow up
I think you were the idiot to post in the first place.
while i respect everyones feelings about this tradegy and it seems that if you ONLY feel bad for the wife and children then its OK HOWEVER if u feel bad for everyone -- including the guys family its a bad thing  Ok whatever -- to each their own..
but now for this wonderful comment that JoJo2010 wrote -- real classy.. you "hope that i dont have someone snap in my family" but when i call u out on how immature u are and what an idiotic statement u made u call me an idiot bc i EXPRESSED that i feel bad for everyone involved?!?!? REAL mature
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Little-J-Mommy
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WNA01, I don't think ANYONE has a problem with you feeling bad for all the families affected by this. Where you lose your audience is when you try to encourage people not to refer to this monster as a prick and try to diminish his heinous acts by saying "he snapped" "was going through tough times" and was "at ihop with his family 2 weeks ago". While those things may make a difference in your mind, for the rest of us, it doesn't change the fact that he was a prick.
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mooshyboo
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Re: Sad story...
omg that is soo tragic... thoughts and prayers for those girls!  
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