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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Moehick
Meaning who? The person that stated that catholic schools teach you to hate people different from you?
This has really gotten out of control. You are totally putting words in my mouth - in exactly which post did I say that Catholic schools teach you to "hate"?? As has been said, this is a personal decision. The question was "would you, if money was not an issue, send your child to private school over public and, if so, would it be parochial?". Since the only private school I have ever been to is Catholic school, I can only speak to that. Would I ever send my children there? No, because I do not agree with both the what and the how of teaching in such institutions. You may not agree, which is obviously your perogative, but it's also my perogative to disagree with you. My experience has been that such institutions tend to breed close-mindedness in that anyone who is different (not class-wise but religion wise and alternative lifestyle-wise) is not as good. Maybe you had a different experience, and if so, that's great. However, that is my experience and, based on that, I would never send my children to Catholic school.
As far as the teaching requirements go, I should have clarified that I meant that you need the masters at some point in NYC. Some (maybe not all, but some) Catholic schools do not require this. While it's obviously not a guarantee of a better or worse teacher, IMO you wouldn't have to get it if it didn't at least increase the chances of being a little better. So, would I rather send my kid to a place where I know they either have it or must have it at some point? Yes.
Let's just agree to disagree because truthfully, this is getting crazy.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
leeners...if you hated Catholic school soo much...why did you go to a Catholic college?
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
I went through public school my entire life until college. I got almost full scholarship to Providence so it's a little difficult to turn that down. Also, I wouldn't have had any idea that it was something I was not going to like until I got there and went through it.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
I went through public school my entire life until college. I got almost full scholarship to Providence so it's a little difficult to turn that down. Also, I wouldn't have had any idea that it was something I was not going to like until I got there and went through it.
ohhh....i thought when you were talking about all this closemindedness...you were talking about a HS . Didn't realize you meant a college
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Leeners
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Redhead
ohhh....i thought when you were talking about all this closemindedness...you were talking about a HS . Didn't realize you meant a college
The teaching came from the college. But, the vast majority of students that went to PC came from Catholic high schools (actually, most of them came from Catholic schools from Kindergarten on). Anyway, it's the combination of the two but again, since I don't have direct experience with the high school, I can only infer from people who have as well as from my own experience at a higher level.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
i went to catholic school all through my education, until college. i would most definitely send my child to catholic school. my fh went to public school and imo, he can be more closed minded when it comes to certain issues. if we can afford it, we will be sending our kids to catholic school
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Redhead
ohhh....i thought when you were talking about all this closemindedness...you were talking about a HS . Didn't realize you meant a college
The teaching came from the college. But, the vast majority of students that went to PC came from Catholic high schools (actually, most of them came from Catholic schools from Kindergarten on). Anyway, it's the combination of the two but again, since I don't have direct experience with the high school, I can only infer from people who have as well as from my own experience at a higher level.
i went to a Catholic college myself and found the experience to be wonderful
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Leeners
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Redhead
i went to a Catholic college myself and found the experience to be wonderful
That's great. As I said, this is my experience and thus the only one I can speak from.
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Redhead
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Redhead
i went to a Catholic college myself and found the experience to be wonderful
That's great. As I said, this is my experience and thus the only one I can speak from.
i know...i know...you said that...as was mine 
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
what I originally meant by my DH's comment of "wasted classes" is that he feels like how many years over and over again is a child going to be taught the Catholic religion. He feels that if they brought up other religions as well than that would be more beneficial and educational. But to have Catholic religion classes for 12 years, he feels to be a waste of a class hour.
My sister had to transfer to public school in the middle of her junior year due to the fact that organic chemistry was not offered in her catholic school. She wanted to get the best scholarship possible, so she left catholic and went public. She did this because her senior year, she did not want to take another religion class, but wanted to take a higher science instead.
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| Posted 8/16/05 9:24 AM |
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Leeners
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Janice
what I originally meant by my DH's comment of "wasted classes" is that he feels like how many years over and over again is a child going to be taught the Catholic religion. He feels that if they brought up other religions as well than that would be more beneficial and educational. But to have Catholic religion classes for 12 years, he feels to be a waste of a class hour.
I couldn't agree more. If it was "Religious Studies" instead of "Theology", or something of that nature, I think it would help considerably.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
I went through public school my entire life until college. I got almost full scholarship to Providence so it's a little difficult to turn that down. Also, I wouldn't have had any idea that it was something I was not going to like until I got there and went through it.
That's interesting Eileen. I went to public schhol through HS as well, & then went to a Catholic University ( also because of a scholarship).
I didn't feel constantly reminded that it was a Catholic school. There were certain rules that were obviousuly Catholic, but I didn't feel the education was one-sided, not even in my Bio-ethics class.
Like I said about high schools, it really does depend on the specific school.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Janice
what I originally meant by my DH's comment of "wasted classes" is that he feels like how many years over and over again is a child going to be taught the Catholic religion. He feels that if they brought up other religions as well than that would be more beneficial and educational. But to have Catholic religion classes for 12 years, he feels to be a waste of a class hour.
I couldn't agree more. If it was "Religious Studies" instead of "Theology", or something of that nature, I think it would help considerably.
Just to add my 2 cents here.....and this is from a Catholic school experience - a lot of what is taught at the elementary level in religion classes is not really theology or religious studies, it is more moral development and ethics. Some of the time in elementary religion class is sacrament preparation. The high schools where I attended and worked did teach more of a theology based curriculum, where students were taught about other religions and again, there were ethics and morality classes. These are one of the reasons I do think I would send my children to Catholic school. I don't agree that religion should be taught in public schools, but I do think ethics should be taught, including at the college level, and it seems that public schools have challenges doing this, without bringing religion into it. JMO.
Leeners, I do understand what you are saying. I think you have to look at the all of the schools you are considering and make a decision based on the individual school. Not all public schools or private schools fit into a particular mold.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
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Posted by Janice
what I originally meant by my DH's comment of "wasted classes" is that he feels like how many years over and over again is a child going to be taught the Catholic religion. He feels that if they brought up other religions as well than that would be more beneficial and educational. But to have Catholic religion classes for 12 years, he feels to be a waste of a class hour.
I couldn't agree more. If it was "Religious Studies" instead of "Theology", or something of that nature, I think it would help considerably.
Two of my cousins went to PC, and it does sound like it is less liberal than some other Catholic schools. I know they required I believe several theology classes, and the guys couldn't go into girls dorms, etc.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
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Posted by Janice
what I originally meant by my DH's comment of "wasted classes" is that he feels like how many years over and over again is a child going to be taught the Catholic religion. He feels that if they brought up other religions as well than that would be more beneficial and educational. But to have Catholic religion classes for 12 years, he feels to be a waste of a class hour.
I couldn't agree more. If it was "Religious Studies" instead of "Theology", or something of that nature, I think it would help considerably.
Two of my cousins went to PC, and it does sound like it is less liberal than some other Catholic schools. I know they required I believe several theology classes, and the guys couldn't go into girls dorms, etc.
wow- really? We couldn't have same sex overnight guests, but there were ways around that
We had to take 3 Theology classes but there were many options. I took Intro to Religions, The Gospel of John & Christian Marriage.
Only the first one was required & my particular section was taught by a Baptist minister.
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Leeners
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
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Posted by nov04libride
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Posted by Janice
what I originally meant by my DH's comment of "wasted classes" is that he feels like how many years over and over again is a child going to be taught the Catholic religion. He feels that if they brought up other religions as well than that would be more beneficial and educational. But to have Catholic religion classes for 12 years, he feels to be a waste of a class hour.
I couldn't agree more. If it was "Religious Studies" instead of "Theology", or something of that nature, I think it would help considerably.
Two of my cousins went to PC, and it does sound like it is less liberal than some other Catholic schools. I know they required I believe several theology classes, and the guys couldn't go into girls dorms, etc.
wow- really? We couldn't have same sex overnight guests, but there were ways around that
We had to take 3 Theology classes but there were many options. I took Intro to Religions, The Gospel of John & Christian Marriage.
Only the first one was required & my particular section was taught by a Baptist minister.
Oh god yeah - parietals. Members of the opposite sex were not allowed in your dorm past midnight on weekdays and past 2 on weekends. Of course, the only dorms that rule was really enforced in were the all-girls dorms  (I still think this was part of the reason my mom loved it!  )
We had 6 mandatory credits of Theology, 6 of Philosophy (which starred mainly 'philosophists such as St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas) as well as 20 credits of the Development of Western Civilization, which was broken into Literature, History, Theology and Philosophy. Throughout the 2 years of taking Civ, we spent 1 (yes, ONE) "day" (read: 50 minute period) on "The Jewish Question." In that one day, we learned all we needed to know about the Jews - from the diaspora to the present day.
Please don't get me wrong - it's not like I had four miserable years there. However, given the overall experience, I would not send my child to a Catholic school unless they really wanted to go. And, if they did, I would try to steer them toward the most 'liberal' Catholic school we could find.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
I am also a product of Catholic Schools here in Manhattan and I have been teaching at a Catholic high school for 10 years. DH and I were having this exact conversation the other day. I want my children to go to Catholic school. I feel it is very important to have a school that is faith based. DH did not go to CS. He went to private, million dollar school, and he is no better off then I was at the local CS.
That being said, I am moving to teach in Public school and already I am missing the events that rotated around the church calender. I also feel that discipline is much better in the Catholic schools because parents are paying tuition, they don't want their money being wasted. Also, the public schools in Manhattan are awful. Yes, there are a few that stand out in district 2 (region 9) if you can get your child in there. There are many problems with variances and westsiders coming to school in the eastside.
I also like the fact that there are uniforms in Catholic schools. For the most part, the student look so put together and they aren't showing off their body parts. That drives me crazy.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
In Manhattan, teachers are reuired to get a masters. This was just passed as of the new union/labor agreement. However, let me just say that because you have a master degree doesn't mean you are any better of a teacher. I have had some pretty terrific and some pretty horrible ones with all sorts of degrees.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
Throughout the 2 years of taking Civ, we spent 1 (yes, ONE) "day" (read: 50 minute period) on "The Jewish Question." In that one day, we learned all we needed to know about the Jews - from the diaspora to the present day.
That's TERRIFYING. Absolutely terrifying.
The Jewish Question?!?!?!?!
What's next? The Final Solution?!?!?!?
I'm seriously about to cry, that scares me so badly.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
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IMO unless you're in an awful school district, there's no reason to send your children to Catholic school.
Actually another reason to send your kids to Catholic school is so that they are taught religion on a daily basis. Catholic schools devote time to teaching children religion...since public schools cannot do that (according to the government), it may be one other reason that some people opt to send their kids to Catholic school instead of public.
Not to mention another reason which is that the class size is smaller so children have more time with the teachers.
There's CCD, which is what I went to all through elementary school. And, as I said, that's IMO.
I'm not saying anyone is dumb for sending their kids to Catholic school. The original poster asked for everyone's opinion, which is what I gave (and reiterated that it was, in fact, my opinion).
Actually Catholic school teaches religion on a daily basis and not once a week like CCD class...so my point was that perhaps some parents want their children to have religion class each day, not once a week. Just one reason someone may choose Catholic school over public.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
i went to private school all my life (catholic) I loved it.... but thats all bc in my neighborhood the public schools blow.... the neighborhood that DH and I will be moving too, by the time we have children, we'll prob send them to public, but for HS private...
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
I was in Catholic school for a few years and then public school. I got a LOT more religius education in CCD than I did in Catholic school. It wasnt daily thing at all, twice a week maybe. The only thing thoughw as that it was pervasive, statues in clasrooms, morning prayers with the pledge of allegiance, prayers before lunch and going to church on holy days of obligation...I got less instruction per se, but I was in a religious environment. but I think that's happenning less and less and catholic schools get more integrated. In the school I went to, I was observing there, and now almost half of the kids are not catholic. Local parents send their kids there because they feel it's a better environment for thier kids.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
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Oh about wated time. We "wasted " a LOT more time in public school. Incathoic school we had religion for 45 minutes twice a week or something like that. In public school we had art, computers, various city-sponsored awareness classes about AIDS, etc, Latin and French in Elementary School, Math League, and believe it or not, interpreation of Modern Art. All of this was during school hours in public school!
 How in the world is this considered "wasted time"??? That's what makes a good school. Marymoon, this is not directed solely at you but at all of the people who answered this thread in a similar vein. Is a person who does something more in the arts, or in public awareness or urban planning - are they not as 'good' to you as children as those who decide to be lawyers, doctors and businessmen?
I personally would never EVER send my child to Catholic school. The people who teach at Catholic school do not even have to have a masters degree. How could you ever think that's better than a good public school, regardless of the whole social aspect of teaching children that people who are essentially different from them are bad?!?!
As someone who is about to finish a bachelor's in ARTS and going for a master's in ARTS, I don't considerit wasted time AT ALL. I was just using the same terminology a previous psoter used. I don't consider it wasted at all. I went to a private school where more than half of the time was "wasted" time and I feel I learned a lot more that year about myself than anywhere else and became a much more well rounded person. I don't think it's wasted time. Studying music and the arts, besides having it's own merits ahs also been correlated with higher test scores, etc etc.
I'm a Theatre Major! I was going to make Photography my minor. I am ALL for Arts Education. In HS I was in Concert Chorus, A Cappella Choir, I took Photography, Acting, Advanced Acting, Metaphysics, Painting.... I am all about "wasted time." To me that's been the most meaningful. I spent 8 months working on my thesis, which was directing a play. I wasted it! 
I used the word "wasted" in response to saying that their Dh didn't want to send thier kids to catholic school b;c they "wasted" time on religion class, which is a nonnacademic subject. I was just saying you spend a lot fo time on nonacademic subjects in public school too. And I think I got a much better education in public school than I would have gotten had I stayed in catholic school (this is just for ne, personally, not on the whole. My catholci school is actually quite good. I just personally needed more advanced classes than they could offer).
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
I went to CS for 7 yrs and PS for the 5 before that and I'd just like to comment on CCD. After having taken it in my early yrs and then going to catholic school for 7 yrs, IMO, you definitely DO NOT get the same religious education as getting it in school multiple times a week plus attending school masses etc. DH went to PS & CCD and has very religious parents who read the bible daily but knows substantially less about our religion than i do from my CS education and is less inclined to go to mass now. This is not saying this is everyone's experience but I have also seen this with other of my PS friends. Parents need to determine how much they want their kids to know about religion bc I really think it is difficult to teach it to the same degree at home. For this and several other reasons (eg uniforms, discipline), I will send my kids to CS.
One drawback that I will point out however is that I did live in a bit of a bubble until I got to college. I basically did not know anybody outside of my religion until then. That is not something I want for my kids so I will make sure they are also involved in non school related activities to make sure that they are exposed to people all religions.
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Re: School Spinoff-If money wasn't the issue, would you chose private over public school?
Posted by Leeners
How could you ever think that's better than a good public school, regardless of the whole social aspect of teaching children that people who are essentially different from them are bad?!?!
I think this statement is where I got the idea that you said catholic schools teach children that those different from them are bad!
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