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Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Just an observation, but a lot of people (not just here, IRL as well) seem to say thing like, "I just don't like them," and I wonder if people, in general, are educated on their politics, records and platforms, or if they just get a feeling and never really learn about a candidate.
Second spinoff: of those that are registered with a party, will you vote in the primary for your party?
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
I dont know their platforms inside and out, but i know enough to feel that my opinion is supported by the facts (for ME- obviously each person has different priorities). There are things that i agree and disagree with for both of them. They can speak all they want and give the greatest speeches, but in the end, if i dont believe a word that comes out of their mouth, its all pointless anyway. I'm VERY middle of the road when it comes to parties and never vote based just on my party. With Hillary- i just dont like her. I dont think she's competent for the position, i dont think shes capable and i dont think that she would meet the needs of the masses. With Obama, its not that i dont like him, but i just feel like he's been groomed to be a politician- he's knows how to answer the questions correctly- deflect them when needed, etc... but i dont have much faith in him actually serving as the leader of this country. I guess i question his experience.
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kerrycec03
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
I base my views off the facts. Dh and I watched the democratic/republican debates on tv and it gave me a clearer picture of some of the ideals of the canidates.
I do think some people vote with their hearts or feelings over the actual issues, but hey, we live in the USA which lets people vote for whatever reasons they choice.
I personally have been attacked when I state I don't like Hillary, but then when I tell them why (mainly due to her healthcare platforms), they understand.
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MsMBV
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Oh I respect that people have their reasons, whatever they may be, and that they are entitled to their opinions regardless of how they come about. I am just wondering if people actually try to know the candidate. I mean, when someone gives specific examples (like the aforementioned healthcare issue) I know that there is a certain level of interest. But for some people, like DH, he just gets a "feeling." KWIM?
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Yes, I think a lot people DON'T know what they are talking about regarding actual politics. Yet, everyone is still untitled not to like someone just because. Sometimes someone could be "better" than someone else but you just can't stand them.
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kerrycec03
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Posted by MsMBV
Oh I respect that people have their reasons, whatever they may be, and that they are entitled to their opinions regardless of how they come about. I am just wondering if people actually try to know the candidate. I mean, when someone gives specific examples (like the aforementioned healthcare issue) I know that there is a certain level of interest. But for some people, like DH, he just gets a "feeling." KWIM?
I do understand. There is this woman at work who says "I don't like Hillary, she always looks mean and dresses bad". Ok, I know Hillary is no Tyra Banks, but cut the lady some slack. Focus on her views, not her looks.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
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Posted by MsMBV
Oh I respect that people have their reasons, whatever they may be, and that they are entitled to their opinions regardless of how they come about. I am just wondering if people actually try to know the candidate. I mean, when someone gives specific examples (like the aforementioned healthcare issue) I know that there is a certain level of interest. But for some people, like DH, he just gets a "feeling." KWIM?
I do understand. There is this woman at work who says "I don't like Hillary, she always looks mean and dresses bad". Ok, I know Hillary is no Tyra Banks, but cut the lady some slack. Focus on her views, not her looks.
OK, I was not sure if I was clear...sometimes I talk in circles...which is even more confusing when it is online
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Well, I do know a great deal about the candidates, but I just cannot stand Rudy Guiliani, aside from his politics. I can't stand that he was cheating on his wife when she was in the house, and I think it is repulsive that he was such an awful father that his own children cannot stand him and wouldn't vote for him. To me what your children think of you speaks volumes more than any canned speech written by a speech writer.
So yes, I've worked in the White House and know a great deal about politics, but sometimes you just can't stand people, politics aside.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
I have listened very carefully to what all the candidates have to offer. I don't like Hillary. I never have; I never will. I've listened to what she has to say and she speaks in circles. Her message changes with each particular audience. She hasn't said anything that would make me sit up and say "she's the one". I think she is as phony as can be.
Obama is a very intelligent, articulate man who makes a number of good points. However, he lacks experience in both the domestic and foreign arena. We don't need another "learn as you go" president.
Guiliani - all I can say is "God help us"!
Romney and Huckabee - while I admire people who have a strong faith, I am uneasy when that faith will interfere with political decisions. How can it not?
McCain - his stand on the war was enough for me.
The only one who I believe has the experience and leadership skills that we need is John Edwards. I know he is fast being coming a long shot, but, I keep hoping.
The rest aren't of any consequence at all and will soon be a thing of the past. I look at this field of candidates as very slim pickings. Let's just hope and pray that someone emerges who will be the strong leader and statesman that we all need. The last thing we need is another Bush.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Posted by nov04libride
Well, I do know a great deal about the candidates, but I just cannot stand Rudy Guiliani, aside from his politics. I can't stand that he was cheating on his wife when she was in the house, and I think it is repulsive that he was such an awful father that his own children cannot stand him and wouldn't vote for him.
I just don't want to have to listen to his speeches again!  Ok, I know that's shallow, and I woudln't vote agaisnt him purely for that, but it does bug me.
He does seem like a bit of jerk, doesn'the? I'm not sure that's always bad in politics though--he did get stuff done as mayor, but made alot of enemies, especially in the beginning.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
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Posted by nov04libride
Well, I do know a great deal about the candidates, but I just cannot stand Rudy Guiliani, aside from his politics. I can't stand that he was cheating on his wife when she was in the house, and I think it is repulsive that he was such an awful father that his own children cannot stand him and wouldn't vote for him.
I just don't want to have to listen to his speeches again! Ok, I know that's shallow, and I woudln't vote agaisnt him purely for that, but it does bug me.
He does seem like a bit of jerk, doesn'the? I'm not sure that's always bad in politics though--he did get stuff done as mayor, but made alot of enemies, especially in the beginning.
Yeah, I hear ya, politicians aren't exactly characterized as kind, good hearted people!  It just really disturbs me that his own kids hate him, and hate him so much that they go on record with their hatred and say they wouldn't vote for him! I mean, what we see of everyone is a persona, but they know the real him, and can't stand him!
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
I have watched all the debates thus far. I know their POV's on most issues. I guess I just don't want to write a reply that involved because I could go on forever!! What is most important to me is that I feel the person has integrity and the ability to lead. Unfortunately, the integrity is hard to find in the political arena. So usually, I end up feeling like I am picking the lesser of two evils.
I am registered Independent so I can't vote in the Primary. I really need to change that.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Posted by MsMBV
Second spinoff: of those that are registered with a party, will you vote in the primary for your party?
Absolutely!
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
I honestly don't like any of the candidates.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
i try very hard to base my views of the candidates on facts and what i know of the platforms they are running on, but i believe that most people have a kind of gut feeling, same as when you meet someone new, that gives you a sense of whether or not you would like this person and want them to represent you (the people) as the president of the US.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
I actually know the candidates and their platforms especifically because i had to write a paper for my history/literature class, with that said i really like John Edwards and what's he stands for, i feel that i can relate being in a low middle class.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
Posted by nov04libride
Well, I do know a great deal about the candidates, but I just cannot stand Rudy Guiliani, aside from his politics. I can't stand that he was cheating on his wife when she was in the house, and I think it is repulsive that he was such an awful father that his own children cannot stand him and wouldn't vote for him. To me what your children think of you speaks volumes more than any canned speech written by a speech writer.
So yes, I've worked in the White House and know a great deal about politics, but sometimes you just can't stand people, politics aside.
I feel exactly like you. I consider myself fairly educated in politics... I read all of the candiates platforms and keep up on their news (certinaly not as cool as having worked in the white house though!)... and Rudy is the only candidate that I "can't stand" because of personal feelings. I am a democrat but can accept that most of the republican candidates have different views than mine.... Rudy just makes me crazy for all of the reason you listed above.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
UNfortunately, the big problem in this country is that yes, most people are completely uneducated about the issues. and those that are, look at where many of them are getting the information.... biased websites, biased talk show hosts, biased newspapers, etc. Also, all the money that campaigners throw in to make them look it also distorts the issues for people.
in order to truly make an informed choice, one really needs to stay on top of it all and seriously do their research.....and i would say 99.9% of Americans don't do this... myself included sometimes.
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Re: Spinoff from Obama/Hillary thread
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Posted by nov04libride
Well, I do know a great deal about the candidates, but I just cannot stand Rudy Guiliani, aside from his politics. I can't stand that he was cheating on his wife when she was in the house, and I think it is repulsive that he was such an awful father that his own children cannot stand him and wouldn't vote for him. To me what your children think of you speaks volumes more than any canned speech written by a speech writer.
So yes, I've worked in the White House and know a great deal about politics, but sometimes you just can't stand people, politics aside.
I feel exactly like you. I consider myself fairly educated in politics... I read all of the candiates platforms and keep up on their news (certinaly not as cool as having worked in the white house though!)... and Rudy is the only candidate that I "can't stand" because of personal feelings. I am a democrat but can accept that most of the republican candidates have different views than mine.... Rudy just makes me crazy for all of the reason you listed above.
I also can't stand Bill Clinton for very similar reasons, though he's not running for President now, so that doesn't matter for this election.  So, I definitely see how "personal" or "non-issue" feelings play a role in politics. I think it would be hard to vote for someone you agree with on paper, but feel you don't trust / don't respect otherwise. As long as someone isn't voting SOLELY on a feeling, I don't think it's wrong to also take things like this into consideration -- I'm not sure it's possible for most people to remove them from consideration at all! And the best part is that we all get a vote, so we can vote with our heads and our gut feelings if we want to. 
I'm also very informed and vote based on my stance on the issues (and that doesn't mean I vote along party lines all the time), but I would have a hard time voting for someone I really didn't respect as a person -- I'm not sure I could vote for them at all. So, while I think the MAJOR factors in my choices are issues, I think I also vote for the person I trust to do the job I think needs to be done... so my judgments about the person inevitably, in some way, shape, or form, come into play.
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