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MommyofG
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Im really bad at this, I really need to be more conscious of it.
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Ophelia
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by charon54
I am not green and not afraid to say so. I like my bottled water, my SUV, my brand-name dishwasher soap, etc.
I do like to save money, so I am starting to switch to LED Christmas lights and I do have a HE washing machine/dryer.
Feel free to flame away, but I am sure that there are decisions you make in your lives that I don't agree with. To each their own!
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I agree only because you said you may not agree with decisions we make in our lives...
Your life is NOT your life. Its mine too. Your destroying my world as well and being cavalier about it.
I agree that all people have different lifestyles and if you cant make changes because you really cant for good reasons, I would respect that.
Its the attitude the Above poster mentioned that irks me too...
For ex...I cannot afford a hybrid car, so I cant change or I would
I cannot afford to change our appliances, we rent ...if I could I would...
If someone said I hate the taste of tap water, I tried a filter, I tried this and that, but I cant do it..I would understand ...
but to seemingly come across as proud of not trying is weird to me.
I may be misreading into it, so I apologize if I am.
all I can say is thank you.
and that this isn't a "live and let live" thing, b/c everything you do effects every other person on the planet in this respect.
that's really what it boils down to...caring enough about yourself and others to take the hit somewhere, be it monetarily, convenience...or both..and saying I actually CARE that I could be doing something for the greater good.
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| Posted 1/16/08 1:37 PM |
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greenfreak
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
These poll results depress me. 
I never would have thought there were so many people who just don't care.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. But I am.
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| Posted 1/16/08 1:54 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by greenfreak
These poll results depress me.
I never would have thought there were so many people who just don't care.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. But I am.
it doesnt' surprise me at all, sadly enough.
most people have, and are content to have, a very narrow and self-centered view of the world.
when the ice caps melt and there are polar bears swimming in the LI Sound, people will say "I never thought this kind of thing would happen here. it's such a nice quiet neighborhood" 
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bird382
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
In all fairness, though, a bunch of people said they voted "not green" (or whatever the poll choice was), but then ticked off a fairly decent list of the things they're doing right.
I get the sense that although there's still a long way to go for this board in general to be "green", many people are at least TRYING.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:03 PM |
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greenfreak
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
I don't think this generation will feel the repurcussions of their actions to the point that it will prompt them to take action. As long as it doesn't affect daily life, it looks like a lot of people don't want to believe.
I just don't know what it takes to start giving a sh*t. I did a poll a while back and a lot of people said they would do environmentally friendly things if it saved them money.
As much as I hate to admit it, the almighty dollar could be the thing that makes more people 'green'.
More and more I'm believing that "The end justifies the means." If you make gas and other things prohibitively expensive, maybe that's the only way.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:06 PM |
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~Colleen~
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by Ophelia
when the ice caps melt and there are polar bears swimming in the LI Sound, people will say "I never thought this kind of thing would happen here. it's such a nice quiet neighborhood"
The flaw I find with Global Warming is that we've had climate shifts long before humans roamed the earth. The Ice Age anyone?
I'm not saying that we haven't played our part in what is going on...but I believe more in the idea that we're much to insignificant to really do the damage that proponents of GW say we are doing.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:06 PM |
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SweetTooth
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by greenfreak
These poll results depress me.
I never would have thought there were so many people who just don't care.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. But I am.
it doesnt' surprise me at all, sadly enough.
most people have, and are content to have, a very narrow and self-centered view of the world.
when the ice caps melt and there are polar bears swimming in the LI Sound, people will say "I never thought this kind of thing would happen here. it's such a nice quiet neighborhood"
It is sad. The people who said they don't think about it, well I guess I can understand that, and there is a good chance they will start thinking about it.
But those who said they don't care, I just can't understand that.
How can you not care about the planet you live on, how can you not care about your future and the future of the generations that will come after us.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:07 PM |
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greenfreak
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by bird382
many people are at least TRYING.
That is what keeps me optimistic. Throwing a couple of milk cartons in a recycle bin is not going to make up for driving an SUV 50 miles a day. But if the effort is there, at least there is hope that it's in their minds. And the next time they're faced with a decision that could impact the environment, maybe they remember.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:08 PM |
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bird382
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by bird382
many people are at least TRYING.
That is what keeps me optimistic. Throwing a couple of milk cartons in a recycle bin is not going to make up for driving an SUV 50 miles a day. But if the effort is there, at least there is hope that it's in their minds. And the next time they're faced with a decision that could impact the environment, maybe they remember.
Exactly. Maybe I'm naive, but I have faith that we'll get this right eventually.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:09 PM |
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greenfreak
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by SweetTooth
How can you not care about the planet you live on, how can you not care about your future and the future of the generations that will come after us.
I think we get caught up with daily life and all the minor and major decisions made daily. Especially when kids are involved, or a full time job, or both.
I don't blame people for putting their children first and foremost in their minds. But we're some pretty smart and capable people on this board. We're capable of more brain power than that.
And once the habit is changed, shutting off the faucet for instance, it becomes second nature.
The ones I really feel upset about are the children of the ones who just don't care and turn a blind eye. They are learning the same things and will repeat and repeat on down the line. But the exact opposite can be so great.
I don't know about you buy a lot of my parent's lessons are so ingrained in my brain even to this day.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:14 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by ~Colleen~
Posted by Ophelia
when the ice caps melt and there are polar bears swimming in the LI Sound, people will say "I never thought this kind of thing would happen here. it's such a nice quiet neighborhood"
The flaw I find with Global Warming is that we've had climate shifts long before humans roamed the earth. The Ice Age anyone?
I'm not saying that we haven't played our part in what is going on...but I believe more in the idea that we're much to insignificant to really do the damage that proponents of GW say we are doing.
I know..I was just making a joke.
the polar bears would drown before they got here anyway
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~Colleen~
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by ~Colleen~
Posted by Ophelia
when the ice caps melt and there are polar bears swimming in the LI Sound, people will say "I never thought this kind of thing would happen here. it's such a nice quiet neighborhood"
The flaw I find with Global Warming is that we've had climate shifts long before humans roamed the earth. The Ice Age anyone?
I'm not saying that we haven't played our part in what is going on...but I believe more in the idea that we're much to insignificant to really do the damage that proponents of GW say we are doing.
I know..I was just making a joke.
the polar bears would drown before they got here anyway
LOL You never know...they have to adapt or they will go extinct. I for one would love to see a Polar Bear floating around in our area 
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sunnyplus3
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
The "I don't have time to care" or "its too expensive to care" attitudes just reinforce why America is becoming more widely hated internationally than ever.
Our behavior as a whole confirms everything they say about us.
For example these numbers are staggering-
Oil consumed in the United States: 17 million barrels per day. With five percent of the world's people, we burn 27 percent of the world's oil. Who do we think we are? Why don't we expect to pay outragous prices when we use so much?
We create much more garbage than we should.
We eat terrible foods.
We destroy our bodies of water.
And the list goes on.
Sadly "we" think we are the smartest, best country...our actions should match our words.
We should think like leaders(as this country always has) and set the example of environmentally friendly living for the world. It certainly wouldn't hurt to instill good values in our children either.
People here are so obsessed with being great parents yet the most precious asset OUR PLANET is disregarded.
Its sad
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:27 PM |
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lucyloo
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by bird382
many people are at least TRYING.
That is what keeps me optimistic. Throwing a couple of milk cartons in a recycle bin is not going to make up for driving an SUV 50 miles a day. But if the effort is there, at least there is hope that it's in their minds. And the next time they're faced with a decision that could impact the environment, maybe they remember.
Keep talking about it though. I have learned a lot from LIF, because of one thread I now use the reusable grocery bags. I had never even heard of them or safe cleaning products. I have a long way to go but the more it comes up, the more I think about it and try to be greener.
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cjik
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
I would say I am green about some things, and I am not with others. For example, I am using disposable diapers. Why? It is convenient for me, they don't bother DSs skin, and I am not certain using cloth diapers is a big environmental savings.
Also, I do not recycle really messy containers like peanut butter jars. I guess you could say I do what is reasonably convenient.
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| Posted 1/16/08 2:36 PM |
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Christine
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by dita
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by bird382
many people are at least TRYING.
That is what keeps me optimistic. Throwing a couple of milk cartons in a recycle bin is not going to make up for driving an SUV 50 miles a day. But if the effort is there, at least there is hope that it's in their minds. And the next time they're faced with a decision that could impact the environment, maybe they remember.
Keep talking about it though. I have learned a lot from LIF, because of one thread I now use the reusable grocery bags. I had never even heard of them or safe cleaning products. I have a long way to go but the more it comes up, the more I think about it and try to be greener.
I am feel the same as Dita...I learned so much from all these threads and want to move towards a greener lifestyle. I do recycle, primarily use public transportation, conserve energy, etc but there's so much more I could easily do now that I know about other things I can do.
Thanks!!
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TheWhiteRabbit
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by greenfreak
I don't think this generation will feel the repurcussions of their actions to the point that it will prompt them to take action.
Funny thing is, you and I don't want kids but try to do our part (you MUCH more than I), while the majority of people on here have children already or are planning on having them – out of those there are people who admit that they don’t care at all about being “green”. Their children will be affected by what we do today, their children’s children may suffer. “I drive an SUV to protect my child”, but isn’t it doing the opposite long term?
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SweetTooth
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by greenfreak
I don't think this generation will feel the repurcussions of their actions to the point that it will prompt them to take action.
Funny thing is, you and I don't want kids but try to do our part (you MUCH more than I), while the majority of people on here have children already or are planning on having them – out of those there are people who admit that they don’t care at all about being “green”. Their children will be affected by what we do today, their children’s children may suffer. “I drive an SUV to protect my child”, but isn’t it doing the opposite long term?
Even if they are making choices because of their children - like driving an SUV is safer in their eyes, I still don't understand the logic of not caring at all.
How would changing the lightbulbs, or using the reusable grocery bags, or reusable containers, or recycling,not using chemicals on their lawns or using environmentally friendly cleaning products harm their children?
I think it would be quite the opposite - doing a lot of these things would be SAFER for their children, and they would also be teaching their children a valuable lesson about caring for people other then themselves and also about caring for the planet.
So I don't think its really an issue of choosing what is best for their families (SUV's or bottled water notwithstanding), I think it truly an ignorance issue. An issue of "why should I do anything." An issue of truly not caring.
ETA: greenfreak, about your comment above, the reprecrussions of the environment may not happen in our lifetime (although that is highly debateable) but the FINAnCIAL reprucussions certainly will. There is only a limited amount of crude oil on this planet. One we use it up its GONE. The more time goes on, the less there will be, and the more expsnsive it will get. There are studies that say if we keep consumin oil at the same rate we are today, all the world's oil will be completely depleted in 20 years. Maybe that will be an incentive for some people?
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Ever since having my DS I have started to become more aware. All my cleaning products, laundry detergent, my cosmetics, paper plates, shampoo, etc are all organic/natural. I also buy organic chicken. I am trying to now become more "green" in other areas too.
And doing the above things that I have already done is no more expensive then the non-green products.
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| Posted 1/16/08 3:01 PM |
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greenfreak
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by SweetTooth
ETA: greenfreak, about your comment above, the reprecrussions of the environment may not happen in our lifetime (although that is highly debateable) but the FINAnCIAL reprucussions certainly will.
I agree. I know people will continue to bury their heads in the sand deeper and deeper to ignore the signs. I should have said people will ignore the more subtle repercussions. And even the not-so-subtle.
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| Posted 1/16/08 3:09 PM |
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greenfreak
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by greenfreak
I don't think this generation will feel the repurcussions of their actions to the point that it will prompt them to take action.
Funny thing is, you and I don't want kids but try to do our part (you MUCH more than I), while the majority of people on here have children already or are planning on having them – out of those there are people who admit that they don’t care at all about being “green”. Their children will be affected by what we do today, their children’s children may suffer. “I drive an SUV to protect my child”, but isn’t it doing the opposite long term?
The Vice President of the BabyHater™ Club, everyone. Give her a big hand.
Disclaimer: We DON'T really hate babies. It's a joke. People think we do because we don't want them.
Anyway, you could argue that because we don't have children, we exhibit that nurturing aspect in other ways. Animal groups, gardening, green initiatives...
Just as you wouldn't feed your children tainted food, I don't use chemicals on my plants or lawn.
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sunnyplus3
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by KittyTheStray
Posted by greenfreak
I don't think this generation will feel the repurcussions of their actions to the point that it will prompt them to take action.
Funny thing is, you and I don't want kids but try to do our part (you MUCH more than I), while the majority of people on here have children already or are planning on having them – out of those there are people who admit that they don’t care at all about being “green”. Their children will be affected by what we do today, their children’s children may suffer. “I drive an SUV to protect my child”, but isn’t it doing the opposite long term?
The Vice President of the BabyHater™ Club, everyone. Give her a big hand.
Disclaimer: We DON'T really hate babies. It's a joke. People think we do because we don't want them.
Anyway, you could argue that because we don't have children, we exhibit that nurturing aspect in other ways. Animal groups, gardening, green initiatives...
Just as you wouldn't feed your children tainted food, I don't use chemicals on my plants or lawn.
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photoshopbabe
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
i try, but some things are just out of my reach and i cannot afford to do them...
but i do recycle and i dont drive an suv
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neenie
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Re: Spinoff on being greener - who is NOT green? with poll if you want to stay anonymous!
i like these discussion and DO find them informative (honestly, many things are said here that i would never contemplate on my own, but once the idea is presented, it does kind of stick with me). Now, i'm seriously NOT trying to pass the buck pr claim that i have no part in this. BUT... i'm curious... of the people who consider themselves really "green" and come down on others for not doing their part, etc... Do you guys ever try to fight big businesses? write letters to the government about regulations and fine on big businesses and corporations?
I mean, like i said, i dont deny that we all have a part in it, but i think putting someone down b/c they drink bottled water, yet, not saying anything to lobby against a business that uses more energy than a small town (look up something like Costco's warehouse- not the store- their main warehouse that ships products throughout the country-- see how much refrigeration, etc is used) just seems like you're projecting such strong feelings onto the wrong person. Yes, everyone should chip in, but i feel that frustration and anger should really be channeled to the worst culprits of them all- big business.
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