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Kidsaplenty
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by Lolita4Life
alot of people are saying "they are KNOWN to be agressive" etc....
while i feel they are "STEREOTYPED as being agressive" etc
I don't think its a stereotype. And I don't think there's any denying that if a pit were to attack they'd do a lot more damage than a golden. Thats a fact, thats why more people are scared of pits. If I pit attacked you would literally have to tear it off of the person, and THAT is scary.
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by june262004
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by june262004
You can't say that "i can't believe people are scared of them" We can say "I can't believe you are scared of Goldens"
that makes no sense to me
and i never said that anyway
Wait you never said you were scared of goldens?
- i dont see how it makes sense that you are able to say "i cant belive youre scared of goldens" but i cant say "i cant believe youre afriad of _______". not that i would, but that seems like a dbl standard to me
-no, i never said "i cant believe you are scared of _______"
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Posted 9/18/06 12:41 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
They ARE bred that way...just like retrievers are bred to retrieve, and collies are bred to herd sheep, pit bulls have historically been bred to be aggressive. I don't know the exact history of the pit bull, but there is definite;y a breeding element. It's not the dog's fault, humans made them that way. It's just like how golden's have a higher tendency for cancer. it's the way they have been bred over centuries
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Posted 9/18/06 12:44 PM |
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CaseyGirl
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by Lolita4Life
as ive said in another post the only dogs that scare me is Golden Retrievers
why
eta: i want a dobie!! i love them.
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Posted 9/18/06 12:44 PM |
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TheLorax
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
I think many breeds are likely to bite humans, but pit bulls and other powerful dog breeds are more likely to leave permanent damage and/or cause death.
From Dog Bite Law:
There have been many news reports about deaths caused by dogs in the USA. The attention given to the homicides has put the spotlight on pit bulls and Rottweilers. There is a very good reason for focusing on these two breeds: in recent years, they have usually been the number one and number two canine killers of humans. (See below, The breeds most likely to kill.) It therefore is correct to single out those two breeds when talking about canine homicides, because those two breeds lately have caused half or more of the deaths -- a disgraceful statistic whether it is regarded as the fault of the dogs, their breeders, their owners, or all three.
However, the focus on death cases may leave the public with the false impression that pit bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for the dog bite epidemic. It is a much broader problem than that, involving all dogs and all dog owners. While pit bulls and Rottweilers inflict a disproportionate number of serious and even fatal injuries, the dog bite epidemic involves many different breeds, and results from many different causes. A clear distinction needs to be made between canine homicides (i.e., incidents in which dogs kill people) and the dog bite epidemic.
"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)
Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.
Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous. An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above). Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack. Pit bulls and Rottweilers also are the dogs most likely to be involved in a serial attack (an instance of a dog injuring someone after having injured a person or an animal on a previous occasion) or rampage attack (an instance of a dog attacking multiple people or animals during a single incident).
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june262004
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by june262004
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by june262004
You can't say that "i can't believe people are scared of them" We can say "I can't believe you are scared of Goldens"
that makes no sense to me
and i never said that anyway
Wait you never said you were scared of goldens?
- i dont see how it makes sense that you are able to say "i cant belive youre scared of goldens" but i cant say "i cant believe youre afriad of _______". not that i would, but that seems like a dbl standard to me
-no, i never said "i cant believe you are scared of _______"
Sorry Jess maybe I didn't word it right. What I ment by it is just like you saying you are afraid of goldens people can be afraid of ........
And you might not have used the words "i can't believe you are afraid of ......" but the post sure sounds like that is what you are getting at. Its like you are criticizing people for being afraid of certain breeds.
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Posted 9/18/06 12:49 PM |
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BabyAvocado
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by Lolita4Life
alot of people are saying "they are KNOWN to be agressive" etc....
while i feel they are "STEREOTYPED as being agressive" etc
What you feel and what is fact are two different things. It is a fact that pit bulls are aggressive toward animals...
The argument comes in where some people think that that does not translate to aggression toward humans. But to a dog, a human IS just another animal, albeit a dominant one.
It is in that particular breed's genetic makeup to have a "high prey drive" (found that on a PRO pit bull site).
I "feel" the stereotype has come about for a good reason, not just arbitrarily or because of a few bad apples.
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Posted 9/18/06 12:56 PM |
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stickydust
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
My brother had a pit bull who was the sweetest most loyal dog - so no, I am not afraid of them. I do believe that to a certain extent the breeding of a dog contributes to any aggressive behavior.
However, I do not think we can discount "breed charectaristics". For instance, we have a pug and a jack russell that have been raised the same way. The pug is the most gentle creature on this earth - so happy go lucky and a little lazy too. The Jack on the other hand, does exhbit much more aggresive behavior, is more territorial etc. Both dogs, depite how we have raised them are pretty true to their breeds.
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Posted 9/18/06 12:57 PM |
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Cookiegobbler
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
EVERYONE is afraid of my dog... (well besides my dh, my gramma, my sister, and my mil and fil.... otherwise everyone is afraid of her... she is an american bulldog, and people think she looks partly like a pitbull... it ridiculous... my neighbors freak if we walk her...
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Posted 9/18/06 1:00 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by MrsTC
Posted by Lolita4Life
as ive said in another post the only dogs that scare me is Golden Retrievers
why
eta: i want a dobie!! i love them.
i was attacked by them
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Posted 9/18/06 1:00 PM |
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Jessica
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Not afraid of anybreed of dogs.
But if I saw one roaming, BIG OR SMALL, id be cautious and wouldnt attempt to bring it to a shelter by myself. Id call someone or some type of agency or something to aid me.
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Posted 9/18/06 1:01 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by june262004
Sorry Jess maybe I didn't word it right. What I ment by it is just like you saying you are afraid of goldens people can be afraid of ........
And you might not have used the words "i can't believe you are afraid of ......" but the post sure sounds like that is what you are getting at. Its like you are criticizing people for being afraid of certain breeds.
im not critiszing anyone. if you re-read my OP youll see i said lets discuss it. i said i was surprised at how many ppl were scared of them. i didnt realize it was such a common fear until i read another thread.
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Posted 9/18/06 1:03 PM |
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june262004
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by june262004
Sorry Jess maybe I didn't word it right. What I ment by it is just like you saying you are afraid of goldens people can be afraid of ........
And you might not have used the words "i can't believe you are afraid of ......" but the post sure sounds like that is what you are getting at. Its like you are criticizing people for being afraid of certain breeds.
im not critiszing anyone. if you re-read my OP youll see i said lets discuss it. i said i was surprised at how many ppl were scared of them. i didnt realize it was such a common fear until i read another thread.
I guess everyone gets confused. Whatever... No biggie. Im glad you aren't critizising.
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Posted 9/18/06 1:19 PM |
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by MrsTC
Posted by Lolita4Life
as ive said in another post the only dogs that scare me is Golden Retrievers
why
eta: i want a dobie!! i love them.
I am not sure what a DOBIE"S tempermant is BUT NOT my first choice of Dog actually it would never be my choice .....
I must add that i am in love with REDS MIN PIN but he is a mini so I am not as afraid as the full sized pointy eared and nub tail one .
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Posted 9/18/06 1:24 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by unbelievable
I must add that i am in love with REDS MIN PIN but he is a mini so I am not as afraid as the full pointy eared a nub tail one
miniature pinschers and doberman pinschers are two totally separate breeds. they just share the word "pinscher" and look similiar.
but not all min pins have pointy ears. mine doesnt. you can get them cropped or leave them floppy.
they ARE however someonwhat aggressive.Image Attachment(s):
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Posted 9/18/06 1:27 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
Posted by stickydust
My brother had a pit bull who was the sweetest most loyal dog - so no, I am not afraid of them. I do believe that to a certain extent the breeding of a dog contributes to any aggressive behavior.
However, I do not think we can discount "breed charectaristics". For instance, we have a pug and a jack russell that have been raised the same way. The pug is the most gentle creature on this earth - so happy go lucky and a little lazy too. The Jack on the other hand, does exhbit much more aggresive behavior, is more territorial etc. Both dogs, depite how we have raised them are pretty true to their breeds.
It is the same. We have a Jack anda Yorkie. The yorkie is much more laid back and just chills out, wheras the Jack will be all over the place, trying to hunt whatever's there, a toy, a pillow, my sneaker. Different breeds ahve different characterisitics. it's a fact. Jacks are known to be hyper, and ours is NO exception...we don't train him to be a lunatic, but he is one anyway
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Posted 9/18/06 1:56 PM |
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honeywolf73
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
I have a pitt/mix she is the biggest mush. I know that some breeds do get a bad rap and some breeds are better reccomended for children.
I wouldn't leave any child alone with any kind of dog that they didn't know. Just like I make sure my dog is always fenced in or on a lease.
I haven't met anyone while walking her that seemed afraid of her you can tell she has some kind of bully breed in her.
I usually tellpeople she's a boxer mix because we beleive she does have boxer in her.
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Posted 9/18/06 2:10 PM |
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lulugrrl
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
I had a pit bull....the most wonderful dog ever!!!!
Everyone was always afraid of him at first, but eventually he won everyone over, including people afraid of dogs, and just general non dog lovers
good example...my MIL agreed to baby sit Copper for me once, even though she never had a dog, and didn't really care for them, but I was in a bind, so she offered.
The first night, Copper was growling at her, scared her to death, til she realized he just wanted to hop on the bed and sleep with her.
She ended up loving him like he was her own, wanted him to come over whenever possible, and Copper would always get greeted before DH or I. He truely was a human stuck in a dog body.
I looove pibulls, and if you look at their history they were meant to be a human's companion.
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Posted 9/18/06 2:25 PM |
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antoinette
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Re: spinoff: Pit Bulls
we have 2 pit bulls in our complex and they are the sweetest dogs ever- my pug is more aggressive than them Since knowing them I have def changed my opinion about pit bulls.
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Posted 9/18/06 2:39 PM |
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