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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
My mom was raised neither religion- but her parents were Catholic and Jewish. My dad is Israeli and I was raised Jewish. He wasn't happy about it but I went to see Santa and had a Christmas tree at my grandma's house.
I longed to celebrate Christmas at our house and went to my best friend's house for Christmas as I got older.
DH is Catholic and I am happy that our children will get to celebrate both holidays. So, we will light a menorah and take pictures with santa.
I guess I had a wierd upbringing. My dad is fiercely Israeli- my grandparents survived the holocaust- but I guess because of my mom I am sort of casual about everything. Holidays are just traditions to me- parties with food on both sides. The more we celebrate the better. What matters to me is the ten commandments and the golden rule- my kids will be confused being raised both religions but if they are good human beings that turn to God to give thanks and for comfort then I will be glad.
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No, I don't bring Alex to Santa, and I would never. In my opinion, while Santa isn't a religious symbol per se, his origins are a "saint" and he is intertwined very deeply with christmas, whose origins are deeply religious.
I understand others may not see it as a big deal, but I do - I am very, VERY proud of my heritage, and am keenly aware, on a daily basis, all my ancestors have gone through, their deaths and struggles, just so I CAN be a proud jew and say it without being ostracized, marked, or worse, sent to a concentration camp. To me, personally, it is a dishonor to all my ancestors who fought to struggle through those times, to place my daughter on Santa's lap.
I want Alex to grow up with the same understanding of where she came from, who she is and of her heritage, so that's why I wouldn't bring her to sit on Santas lap.
If there was a Santa at a party I wouldn't run away from him, I would let Noah have a present or whatever...but I would never take a picture with Santa at the mall, never in a million billion years.
I understand and respect others opinions but I dont understand the above. WHy can santa give him a present at a party but he cant see him at a mall? I think either you do it or you dont do it.
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This thread reminds me of Chanukkah Harry
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This thread reminds me of Chanukkah Harry
I was thinking of that!
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What if your dc asked specifically to sit on his lap? Like if they heard from kids in school about going or whatever. Would you explain it's not your tradition, or would you go to let them see what it's like?
I'm not sure what I'd do if I was in that situation.
No No No - still I would not. Like the other girls said I would explain why.
I would also not let me daughter do an egg hunt on passover...it just doesn't make sense.
I totally believe in learning about others - and practicing tolerance for others, so my child will learn about other religions, but only practice her own.
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
I'm sorry - I am usually very passive on this board and stay out of any controvery - but I have to ask, did you READ any of the prior posts?? (esp the ones from Beth re: the holocaust)
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No, I don't bring Alex to Santa, and I would never. In my opinion, while Santa isn't a religious symbol per se, his origins are a "saint" and he is intertwined very deeply with christmas, whose origins are deeply religious.
I understand others may not see it as a big deal, but I do - I am very, VERY proud of my heritage, and am keenly aware, on a daily basis, all my ancestors have gone through, their deaths and struggles, just so I CAN be a proud jew and say it without being ostracized, marked, or worse, sent to a concentration camp. To me, personally, it is a dishonor to all my ancestors who fought to struggle through those times, to place my daughter on Santa's lap.
I want Alex to grow up with the same understanding of where she came from, who she is and of her heritage, so that's why I wouldn't bring her to sit on Santas lap.
If there was a Santa at a party I wouldn't run away from him, I would let Noah have a present or whatever...but I would never take a picture with Santa at the mall, never in a million billion years.
I understand and respect others opinions but I dont understand the above. WHy can santa give him a present at a party but he cant see him at a mall? I think either you do it or you dont do it.
What I am saying is that I choose not to...but if there is a Santa at my last playgroup before Christmas (which there is every year as my playgroups are mostly at churches) I wouldn't run away, I wouldn't make my child feel ostracized for being the odd one out. However, taking my child to the mall to pay someone to take a picture of them sitting on Santas lap is not something that I would ever choose to do....
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
What? Did you read ANY of the posts above explaining why it WOULD be a big deal to some of us????
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I'm not a parent yet - well will by end of this month - but if its OK with you, I really wanted to comment.
I was born in the former soviet union, where I was constantly teased and discriminated against because I was jewish, and felt first hand what its like to be told I was different - I didn't belong with the masses.
There, we didn't have religious holidays - as it was all about communism - but we had 'Grand Father Cold " (instead of Santa) and had a new years tree (instead of a christmas tree). They were put up for new years, and Grandpa Cold came to us on Dec 30th bringing us gifts, and not on Dec 25th. There was clearly no religious meaning behind that, and the whole former soviet union celebrated together - as did we.
When we came to the US, we learned here all about Christmas and Christmas associations and though we practiced it every year we did not do it in US. We ended up lighting a menorah and learning to be proud of our Judaism. I went from hiding that I was jewish and hoping no one would notice and tease me, or discrimate against me, to be proud that I was lighting a menorah, and that I was jewish. I proudly celebrated Chanukah - even though it meant no more New Years tree. I still to this day miss my new years tree, becuase of all the wonderful child memories of decorating the tree with my parents - but here, the Tree and Satna are connected to Christmas and its just not the same.
Now that I am bringing this baby into this world, I really want her to know that she is Jewish and be proud of it and celebrate your traditions. So... I would not bring her to Santa - and would not put up the tree - though I know a lot of Russians that do do the whole 'hanukah bush' thing.. which is weird to me.
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What if your dc asked specifically to sit on his lap? Like if they heard from kids in school about going or whatever. Would you explain it's not your tradition, or would you go to let them see what it's like?
I'm not sure what I'd do if I was in that situation.
No No No - still I would not. Like the other girls said I would explain why.
I would also not let me daughter do an egg hunt on passover...it just doesn't make sense.
I totally believe in learning about others - and practicing tolerance for others, so my child will learn about other religions, but only practice her own.
Us Jewish girls all grew up without these things and had an understanding that our holidays, the Jewish holidays were special and fun. We had a fantastic time with all our cousins, and grandparents and family friends. For us, finding the Afikomen (sp..forgive me on this) was a HUGE thing at passover, and opening the door for Elijah, we used to fight over who got to do that. We had fun doing our holidays, personally I never felt that I needed (or wanted) anyone elses holidays (decorations, symbols etc) I think that everyones holidays are fantastic, and its a wonderful thing to bring families together and to celebrate what you believe in. I still fly across the Atlantic to be with my family for the Jewish New Year, thats whats important to me and its important to bring my child up this way.
Please understand ladies that we who are Jewish were brought up this way, we never missed Christmas or Easter, we always knew that it was a celebration that belonged to other people! And it was wonderful to be invited into someone elses home to share that experience. I remember spending Christmases with family friends and celebrating their holidays, just like my parents non-Jewish friends enjoyed spending Passover with us.
Yes, I know I am rambling...but I guess my point is that growing up Jewish, I never missed Santa Claus, and if I am lucky enough to be able to bring my children up with the same values that I was brought up with...he won't be interested in seeing Santa at Christmas.
Okay. The end.
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I'm not a parent yet - well will by end of this month - but if its OK with you, I really wanted to comment.
I was born in the former soviet union, where I was constantly teased and discriminated against because I was jewish, and felt first hand what its like to be told I was different - I didn't belong with the masses.
There, we didn't have religious holidays - as it was all about communism - but we had 'Grand Father Cold " (instead of Santa) and had a new years tree (instead of a christmas tree). They were put up for new years, and Grandpa Cold came to us on Dec 30th bringing us gifts, and not on Dec 25th. There was clearly no religious meaning behind that, and the whole former soviet union celebrated together - as did we.
When we came to the US, we learned here all about Christmas and Christmas associations and though we practiced it every year we did not do it in US. We ended up lighting a menorah and learning to be proud of our Judaism. I went from hiding that I was jewish and hoping no one would notice and tease me, or discrimate against me, to be proud that I was lighting a menorah, and that I was jewish. I proudly celebrated Chanukah - even though it meant no more New Years tree. I still to this day miss my new years tree, becuase of all the wonderful child memories of decorating the tree with my parents - but here, the Tree and Satna are connected to Christmas and its just not the same.
Now that I am bringing this baby into this world, I really want her to know that she is Jewish and be proud of it and celebrate your traditions. So... I would not bring her to Santa - and would not put up the tree - though I know a lot of Russians that do do the whole 'hanukah bush' thing.. which is weird to me.
This was exactly the point I was trying to make - THANK YOU 
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
What? Did you read ANY of the posts above explaining why it WOULD be a big deal to some of us????
Yes I read ALL of the responses here and on NFR - again I dont see the big deal.
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Us Jewish girls all grew up without these things and had an understanding that our holidays, the Jewish holidays were special and fun. We had a fantastic time with all our cousins, and grandparents and family friends. For us, finding the Afikomen (sp..forgive me on this) was a HUGE thing at passover, and opening the door for Elijah, we used to fight over who got to do that. We had fun doing our holidays, personally I never felt that I needed (or wanted) anyone elses holidays (decorations, symbols etc) I think that everyones holidays are fantastic, and its a wonderful thing to bring families together and to celebrate what you believe in. I still fly across the Atlantic to be with my family for the Jewish New Year, thats whats important to me and its important to bring my child up this way.
Please understand ladies that we who are Jewish were brought up this way, we never missed Christmas or Easter, we always knew that it was a celebration that belonged to other people! And it was wonderful to be invited into someone elses home to share that experience. I remember spending Christmases with family friends and celebrating their holidays, just like my parents non-Jewish friends enjoyed spending Passover with us.
Yes, I know I am rambling...but I guess my point is that growing up Jewish, I never missed Santa Claus, and if I am lucky enough to be able to bring my children up with the same values that I was brought up with...he won't be interested in seeing Santa at Christmas.
Okay. The end.
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
What? Did you read ANY of the posts above explaining why it WOULD be a big deal to some of us????
Yes I read ALL of the responses here and on NFR - again I dont see the big deal.
So, you don't see how someone whose family has struggled through the worst of discrimination, the horrors of the holocaust, death and suffering, all because of their religion, would feel that honoring their traditions, not another religion's traditions, would be a big deal?
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
What? Did you read ANY of the posts above explaining why it WOULD be a big deal to some of us????
Yes I read ALL of the responses here and on NFR - again I dont see the big deal.
So, you don't see how someone whose family has struggled through the worst of discrimination, the horrors of the holocaust, death and suffering, all because of their religion, would feel that honoring their traditions, not another religion's traditions, would be a big deal?
wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
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Racheeeee - you rock!!
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wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
You would understand where I was going if you had read any of the other posts from people who DO feel it is a big deal, like myself. I have no problem with you supporting the original poster, but I do have a problem when, at the end of some really heartfelt posts explaining why this is a very real, personal, deeply felt issue, you state glibly that "it's not a big deal" - I find it personally insulting, to myself, and the others that made a real effort to explain why, to many, it IS a big deal.
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
What? Did you read ANY of the posts above explaining why it WOULD be a big deal to some of us????
Yes I read ALL of the responses here and on NFR - again I dont see the big deal.
So, you don't see how someone whose family has struggled through the worst of discrimination, the horrors of the holocaust, death and suffering, all because of their religion, would feel that honoring their traditions, not another religion's traditions, would be a big deal?
wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
I think the point here is - that maybe now that we posted WHAT the big deal is to us- and we explained ourselves and our struggles you might have LEARNED what the big deal is to some people.
I think you post blew off a lot of peoples feelings and honestly is hurtful after we are opening up our hearts and minds about how we feel in regards to a sensitive subject....
sometimes controversy like this can be a learning experience - or I should say it SHOULD be a learning experience to those who don't know all the answers.
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I am not Jewish and Santa is Saint Nicholas and associated very much with Christmas but I see nothing wrong with bringing your child to see santa. whats the big deal?
What? Did you read ANY of the posts above explaining why it WOULD be a big deal to some of us????
Yes I read ALL of the responses here and on NFR - again I dont see the big deal.
So, you don't see how someone whose family has struggled through the worst of discrimination, the horrors of the holocaust, death and suffering, all because of their religion, would feel that honoring their traditions, not another religion's traditions, would be a big deal?
wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
You know what, if she wants to take her kid to see Santa Claus, more power to her! The question wasn't "should I take my Jewish child to see Santa Claus...what do you think?" the question was "would you ever take your Jewish child to see Santa?"
Its her choice. End of.
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wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
You would understand where I was going if you had read any of the other posts from people who DO feel it is a big deal, like myself. I have no problem with you supporting the original poster, but I do have a problem when, at the end of some really heartfelt posts explaining why this is a very real, personal, deeply felt issue, you state glibly that "it's not a big deal" - I find it personally insulting, to myself, and the others that made a real effort to explain why, to many, it IS a big deal.
you find it insulting that I wrote and answered the OP that I didnt see it as a big deal? All religions have their own meanings and traditions and celebrations. If someone is Jewish and wants to take their child to see Santa- it is not a big deal- All are welcome. Just as I would hope Jewish people would welcome people who arent Jewish to participate in temple.
As the years have gone by, Santa Claus has become the man in the red suit who gives gifts to all. If you want to go deep into it then yes it "traditionally" is associated with Christmas. but by no means do I think it is a bad thing to bring ALL children to see Santa.
I dont think b/c you bring your DC to see santa you are celebrating christmas but thats my opinion, as I do respect other opinions too. I think its great to teach children ALL religions as there are many different ones but yes in the household you choose what you want to celebrate. but again I dont see the big deal in bringing a child to see santa- its a happy time, a celebrating time.
I would never shy my DD away if she wanted to participate in Jewish or any other religion festivities. In the home, we are Catholic so that is what we will celebrate.
in the end its a happy time with family, whatever we celebrate.
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wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
You would understand where I was going if you had read any of the other posts from people who DO feel it is a big deal, like myself. I have no problem with you supporting the original poster, but I do have a problem when, at the end of some really heartfelt posts explaining why this is a very real, personal, deeply felt issue, you state glibly that "it's not a big deal" - I find it personally insulting, to myself, and the others that made a real effort to explain why, to many, it IS a big deal.
you find it insulting that I wrote and answered the OP that I didnt see it as a big deal? All religions have their own meanings and traditions and celebrations. If someone is Jewish and wants to take their child to see Santa- it is not a big deal- All are welcome. Just as I would hope Jewish people would welcome people who arent Jewish to participate in temple.
As the years have gone by, Santa Claus has become the man in the red suit who gives gifts to all. If you want to go deep into it then yes it "traditionally" is associated with Christmas. but by no means do I think it is a bad thing to bring ALL children to see Santa.
I dont think b/c you bring your DC to see santa you are celebrating christmas but thats my opinion, as I do respect other opinions too. I think its great to teach children ALL religions as there are many different ones but yes in the household you choose what you want to celebrate. but again I dont see the big deal in bringing a child to see santa- its a happy time, a celebrating time.
I would never shy my DD away if she wanted to participate in Jewish or any other religion festivities. In the home, we are Catholic so that is what we will celebrate.
in the end its a happy time with family, whatever we celebrate.
I am sorry - but I still think you are missing the point. None of us ever said we would prevent our kids from learning about other religions, or even participating in other peoples holidays as a learning experience.
The holiday season is perfectly happy and celebatory without seeing SAINT nicholas (see - the saint part makes him NOT Jewish for sure).
You don't think its a big deal - a lot of the jewish women here think it is - and I think I can speak for all of them when you post read that you don't care what we think. Maybe that isn't what you meant - but it is sure how it read.
PS...my temple has a hanukkah festival - we light the menorah, it's a lot of fun...would you come and bring your kid to sit on the Rabbi's lap and take a pic?? He is a jolly old soul.
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I am sorry - but I still think you are missing the point. None of us ever said we would prevent our kids from learning about other religions, or even participating in other peoples holidays as a learning experience.
The holiday season is perfectly happy and celebatory without seeing SAINT nicholas (see - the saint part makes him NOT Jewish for sure).
You don't think its a big deal - a lot of the jewish women here think it is - and I think I can speak for all of them when you post read that you don't care what we think. Maybe that isn't what you meant - but it is sure how it read.
PS...my temple has a hanukkah festival - we light the menorah, it's a lot of fun...would you come and bring your kid to sit on the Rabbi's lap and take a pic?? He is a jolly old soul.
I agree. We aren't talking about respecting other people's religions here - just because I take pride in my heritage and traditions and feel very deeply about setting clear boundaries for my children, that does not mean I'm not open to learning and having my children learn about other religions. But there is a very real difference between learning and respecting another person's religion, and proactively engaging in it and accepting certain aspects of that religion as your own.
Here, we are talking about why many, many jewish people do find it to be very significant to retain their traditions only. It doesn't mean that we can't enjoy the holiday season and alll the well wishes and beautiful lights and music, but it does mean, for many jewish people, that it is just essential that we make a real effort to retain something that is our own, in honor of everything that our ancestors have gone through.
But, I really don't think I can engage in this anymore because your reply shows that you really don't understand, and if you really don't understand the meaning as to why many jewish people would find that it is a big deal to have their child sit on Santa's lap as part of the christmas tradition, then I really don't think there's much more I, or anyone else can say to change your mind.
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wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
You would understand where I was going if you had read any of the other posts from people who DO feel it is a big deal, like myself. I have no problem with you supporting the original poster, but I do have a problem when, at the end of some really heartfelt posts explaining why this is a very real, personal, deeply felt issue, you state glibly that "it's not a big deal" - I find it personally insulting, to myself, and the others that made a real effort to explain why, to many, it IS a big deal.
you find it insulting that I wrote and answered the OP that I didnt see it as a big deal? All religions have their own meanings and traditions and celebrations. If someone is Jewish and wants to take their child to see Santa- it is not a big deal- All are welcome. Just as I would hope Jewish people would welcome people who arent Jewish to participate in temple.
As the years have gone by, Santa Claus has become the man in the red suit who gives gifts to all. If you want to go deep into it then yes it "traditionally" is associated with Christmas. but by no means do I think it is a bad thing to bring ALL children to see Santa.
I dont think b/c you bring your DC to see santa you are celebrating christmas but thats my opinion, as I do respect other opinions too. I think its great to teach children ALL religions as there are many different ones but yes in the household you choose what you want to celebrate. but again I dont see the big deal in bringing a child to see santa- its a happy time, a celebrating time.
I would never shy my DD away if she wanted to participate in Jewish or any other religion festivities. In the home, we are Catholic so that is what we will celebrate.
in the end its a happy time with family, whatever we celebrate.
I am sorry - but I still think you are missing the point. None of us ever said we would prevent our kids from learning about other religions, or even participating in other peoples holidays as a learning experience.
The holiday season is perfectly happy and celebatory without seeing SAINT nicholas (see - the saint part makes him NOT Jewish for sure).
You don't think its a big deal - a lot of the jewish women here think it is - and I think I can speak for all of them when you post read that you don't care what we think. Maybe that isn't what you meant - but it is sure how it read.
PS...my temple has a hanukkah festival - we light the menorah, it's a lot of fun...would you come and bring your kid to sit on the Rabbi's lap and take a pic?? He is a jolly old soul.
Oh boy. I have read maybe not you inparticular but others write NEVER!!!!
saying its not a big deal is certainly not saying I dont care. At least not in the way I speak, cant speak for others.
and thank you, my bf is Jewish and I have particpated in many jewish festivities for over 25 years now. I have even worn the lace yarmelke ( please forgive if I have the wrong spelling) been to temple and have participated.
and if my DD expressed interest in sitting on Herbie the Hanukah Bear I would let her.
If you ladies felt insulted it was not my intent. And I certainly did not say I didnt care.
and Beth I didnt write to respect other religions, I wrote respect others opinions.
Message edited 11/21/2007 4:57:07 PM.
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stayandjohn
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
As a Catholic mother, I agree with the Jewish mothers. While Christmas is a fun celebration, and has been commercialized to the point of being unrecognizable as a Christian holiday, it is just that, a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of our Lord.
I think that letting their children participate in classroom or friends party is fine and appreciating the decorations, but letting their kids on sit on Santas lap is going to be confusing for the child. Its like saying well Santa does bring toys to boys and girls but not you because we celebrate and believe differently. Last year we were invited by our Jewish neighbors to a Hanukah (forgive me if I misspelled) party, we had a blast, the mother made up a page about Hanukah and their traditions and customs. While I had a wonderful time, I wont be putting a menorah in my home because its not MY holiday.
I think its a beautiful thing to pass down traditions to your child that come from many generations.
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