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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Oh boy...certainly not the way I intended it to be but like Racheeee wrote above .... Just to sum things up...I just wanted to see how some other people felt and it is clear that some people feel they would not but obviously not all bc if you flip between both NFR and parenting post...people have varying degrees of choices of what they are going to do. I value and respect everyones input and of course in the end it will be both dh and my decision. Honestly....some people may be listening and others may think its crappy. It gave me something to think about being that its my first child and thats what I wanted ...to hear what others have to say.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
ok I only have one more thing to say...
who is Herbie the Hanukah Bear????
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by stayandjohn
As a Catholic mother, I agree with the Jewish mothers. While Christmas is a fun celebration, and has been commercialized to the point of being unrecognizable as a Christian holiday, it is just that, a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of our Lord.
I think that letting their children participate in classroom or friends party is fine and appreciating the decorations, but letting their kids on sit on Santas lap is going to be confusing for the child. Its like saying well Santa does bring toys to boys and girls but not you because we celebrate and believe differently. Last year we were invited by our Jewish neighbors to a Hanukah (forgive me if I misspelled) party, we had a blast, the mother made up a page about Hanukah and their traditions and customs. While I had a wonderful time, I wont be putting a menorah in my home because its not MY holiday.
I think its a beautiful thing to pass down traditions to your child that come from many generations.
I have a question for you or any other person celebrating Christmas...Would you have a problem with your son adding a light on the menorah in a public school? I am just interested to see the flip side of things... I am asking bc Ive seen it. i was a social worker in a public school district and just as much as Christmas was promoted ...so was Hannukah...just wondering.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by MrsR
ok I only have one more thing to say...
who is Herbie the Hanukah Bear????
do you mean Chanukah Harry or Chanukah Herbie...LOL?
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MommyofG
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by MrsR
ok I only have one more thing to say...
who is Herbie the Hanukah Bear????
 He is the Hanukah Bear at White Post Farms. They have a really cute set up to take pics.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by stayandjohn
As a Catholic mother, I agree with the Jewish mothers. While Christmas is a fun celebration, and has been commercialized to the point of being unrecognizable as a Christian holiday, it is just that, a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of our Lord.
I think that letting their children participate in classroom or friends party is fine and appreciating the decorations, but letting their kids on sit on Santas lap is going to be confusing for the child. Its like saying well Santa does bring toys to boys and girls but not you because we celebrate and believe differently. Last year we were invited by our Jewish neighbors to a Hanukah (forgive me if I misspelled) party, we had a blast, the mother made up a page about Hanukah and their traditions and customs. While I had a wonderful time, I wont be putting a menorah in my home because its not MY holiday.
I think its a beautiful thing to pass down traditions to your child that come from many generations.
I have a question for you or any other person celebrating Christmas...Would you have a problem with your son adding a light on the menorah in a public school? I am just interested to see the flip side of things... I am asking bc Ive seen it. i was a social worker in a public school district and just as much as Christmas was promoted ...so was Hannukah...just wondering.
I wouldnt as long as both holidays were being represented. I think it would be beneficial to him to learn about anothers beliefs and customs
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by MommyofG
Posted by MrsR
ok I only have one more thing to say...
who is Herbie the Hanukah Bear????
He is the Hanukah Bear at White Post Farms. They have a really cute set up to take pics.
They DO NOT - ugh - that is annoying...but thank you for enlightening me 
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by stayandjohn
As a Catholic mother, I agree with the Jewish mothers. While Christmas is a fun celebration, and has been commercialized to the point of being unrecognizable as a Christian holiday, it is just that, a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of our Lord.
I think that letting their children participate in classroom or friends party is fine and appreciating the decorations, but letting their kids on sit on Santas lap is going to be confusing for the child. Its like saying well Santa does bring toys to boys and girls but not you because we celebrate and believe differently. Last year we were invited by our Jewish neighbors to a Hanukah (forgive me if I misspelled) party, we had a blast, the mother made up a page about Hanukah and their traditions and customs. While I had a wonderful time, I wont be putting a menorah in my home because its not MY holiday.
I think its a beautiful thing to pass down traditions to your child that come from many generations.
I have a question for you or any other person celebrating Christmas...Would you have a problem with your son adding a light on the menorah in a public school? I am just interested to see the flip side of things... I am asking bc Ive seen it. i was a social worker in a public school district and just as much as Christmas was promoted ...so was Hannukah...just wondering.
I would not have a problem with it.
My parents sent my brother and I to a Jewish Camp, we were the only ones not Jewish and we had a great time. We never felt uncomfortable and we were treated like it wasnt a big deal. In camp besides the sports and travel we had plays and hebrew study too.
I am really happy my parents who are VERY catholic made that decision to educate us and learn about a different religion AND socialize in camp as well.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by MommyofG
Oh boy. I have read maybe not you inparticular but others write NEVER!!!!
saying its not a big deal is certainly not saying I dont care. At least not in the way I speak, cant speak for others.
and thank you, my bf is Jewish and I have particpated in many jewish festivities for over 25 years now. I have even worn the lace yarmelke ( please forgive if I have the wrong spelling) been to temple and have participated.
and if my DD expressed interest in sitting on Herbie the Hanukah Bear I would let her.
If you ladies felt insulted it was not my intent. And I certainly did not say I didnt care.
and Beth I didnt write to respect other religions, I wrote respect others opinions.
I just want to commeont on your post.
As someone who isn't Jewish, I don't think you can understand the history of the Jewish people- the struggles that we have had. Like Mrs posted about not being able to proudly practice your religion. My family from Europe and DH's family from the middle east were both persecuted because they were Jewish. My grandparents surivived the holocaust, but their parents and siblings did not. That is why this is such a personal and heated issue for some. Yet despite this history,the Jewish population is dwindling do to assimulaton.
Now that being said, we have celebrated Diwali with my Hindu friend and I intend to teach Jordana about all different religions, but with boundries of what is our religion and others.
I think it is great that you have participated inJewish services, but it doesn't mean you understand what Jews in America go through.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
If I were Jewish, I wouldn't take my child to see Santa. I associate Santa with Christmas.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
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Then I am confused. Santa and the Christmas tree/presents have nothing to do with Jesus. Santa Claus was created for kids.
You dont relate Santa to Christmas 
I relate santa to the holiday and the season...but santa has nothing to do with jesus which has everything to do with christmas.
well...Santa is SAINT Nicholas, so yes...he has lots to do with Christianity. In fact, the whole story of Santa is a Christian story.
That said...the way he is portrayed in this day and age has nothing to do with the religious holiday, but the actual story of Santa is a religious one.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
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wow- where are you going??????????
The OP asked a question and I answered- NO I DONT SEE THE BIG DEAL- if she wants to bring her DD to see Santa that is her choice and its not a big deal.
You would understand where I was going if you had read any of the other posts from people who DO feel it is a big deal, like myself. I have no problem with you supporting the original poster, but I do have a problem when, at the end of some really heartfelt posts explaining why this is a very real, personal, deeply felt issue, you state glibly that "it's not a big deal" - I find it personally insulting, to myself, and the others that made a real effort to explain why, to many, it IS a big deal.
Bxgell2 I think you are being sooo intolerant, you are jumping down this posters throat becasue she doesn't see it the way you see it. So she doesn't think its as a big deal, is she not entitled to her own opinion???
In response to the OP I personally don't see why a person of Jewish faith would want to take their child to see Santa, I as a catholic would not light a manorah or buy my child a dredel (sp?) but too each his own.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Santa is special for everyone even the no Christians. Gilly should visit Santa for as long as she can like Olivia..
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
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No, I don't bring Alex to Santa, and I would never. In my opinion, while Santa isn't a religious symbol per se, his origins are a "saint" and he is intertwined very deeply with christmas, whose origins are deeply religious.
I understand others may not see it as a big deal, but I do - I am very, VERY proud of my heritage, and am keenly aware, on a daily basis, all my ancestors have gone through, their deaths and struggles, just so I CAN be a proud jew and say it without being ostracized, marked, or worse, sent to a concentration camp. To me, personally, it is a dishonor to all my ancestors who fought to struggle through those times, to place my daughter on Santa's lap.
I want Alex to grow up with the same understanding of where she came from, who she is and of her heritage, so that's why I wouldn't bring her to sit on Santas lap.
honestly i could not have said it better myself! as a first generation american jew whose family was almost completely wiped out in the holocaust, i could not bring any other religious symbol into my home (even as commercialized as santa is.) i am so proud of being jewish and everything that it means and i will do everything in my power to make ds feel the same way. my house will be decorated to the nine with dreidels and menorahs.
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Posted by MommyofG
Oh boy. I have read maybe not you inparticular but others write NEVER!!!!
saying its not a big deal is certainly not saying I dont care. At least not in the way I speak, cant speak for others.
and thank you, my bf is Jewish and I have particpated in many jewish festivities for over 25 years now. I have even worn the lace yarmelke ( please forgive if I have the wrong spelling) been to temple and have participated.
and if my DD expressed interest in sitting on Herbie the Hanukah Bear I would let her.
If you ladies felt insulted it was not my intent. And I certainly did not say I didnt care.
and Beth I didnt write to respect other religions, I wrote respect others opinions.
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I just want to commeont on your post.
As someone who isn't Jewish, I don't think you can understand the history of the Jewish people- the struggles that we have had. Like Mrs posted about not being able to proudly practice your religion. My family from Europe and DH's family from the middle east were both persecuted because they were Jewish. My grandparents surivived the holocaust, but their parents and siblings did not. That is why this is such a personal and heated issue for some. Yet despite this history,the Jewish population is dwindling do to assimulaton.
Now that being said, we have celebrated Diwali with my Hindu friend and I intend to teach Jordana about all different religions, but with boundries of what is our religion and others.
I think it is great that you have participated inJewish services, but it doesn't mean you understand what Jews in America go through.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
PS...my temple has a hanukkah festival - we light the menorah, it's a lot of fun...would you come and bring your kid to sit on the Rabbi's lap and take a pic?? He is a jolly old soul.
 mines kinda cute.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
I am Jewish and I never went to see Santa, nor do I plan on taking my children to do so. I have no problem with my daughter having an appreciation of the holiday and knowing what it is about, but I don't see any reason to confuse her in that way.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by Sunrise813
Bxgell2 I think you are being sooo intolerant, you are jumping down this posters throat becasue she doesn't see it the way you see it. So she doesn't think its as a big deal, is she not entitled to her own opinion???
In response to the OP I personally don't see why a person of Jewish faith would want to take their child to see Santa, I as a catholic would not light a manorah or buy my child a dredel (sp?) but too each his own.
Intolerant is truly the last thing that I am, if you truly knew me or truly read my posts you would know that.
Many women have expressed some very real, heartfelt, deep, significant reasons why this is a big deal, not to just a few, but to many, many, MANY American jews. It's one thing to state that you don't think it's a big deal from the onset, without hearing these other, very meaningful, explanations, but wholly another to actually read these responses, and to still claim that you don't see why it's a big deal. In my opinion, THAT is what's intolerant here.
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I am not Jewish but grew up with a lot of Jewish friends my mom sent me to a temple for nursery school. So we actually did the opposite I always celebrated chanukah even though I was catholic. And we still do I always get one gift for chanukah and I will keep that tradition with my dd.
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PrincessP
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Posted by Sunrise813
Bxgell2 I think you are being sooo intolerant, you are jumping down this posters throat becasue she doesn't see it the way you see it. So she doesn't think its as a big deal, is she not entitled to her own opinion???
In response to the OP I personally don't see why a person of Jewish faith would want to take their child to see Santa, I as a catholic would not light a manorah or buy my child a dredel (sp?) but too each his own.
Intolerant is truly the last thing that I am, if you truly knew me or truly read my posts you would know that.
Many women have expressed some very real, heartfelt, deep, significant reasons why this is a big deal, not to just a few, but to many, many, MANY American jews. It's one thing to state that you don't think it's a big deal from the onset, without hearing these other, very meaningful, explanations, but wholly another to actually read these responses, and to still claim that you don't see why it's a big deal. In my opinion, THAT is what's intolerant here.
Just for the record...
I NEVER said after reading ANYONES post that it was no big deal. With that said...let the post die.
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I am Jewish and I went to see Santa. I don't remember whether I went every year. My mom didn't display those pictures or send copies to relatives. If my son wants to go, I will take him. If I analyze it or think about it a lot, then I'd come to the conclusion that it's not the right thing to do. But this is one of the few things that I'm going to do on sort of a whim.
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Posted by monkeybride
I'm not Jewish but if I was I can say I would certainly not bring my child to see Santa. I grew up in a town with a large Jewish population so I feel blessed that I got to experience this religion as well through my friends.
I think if you choose to practice a certain religion you should embrace that religion and it's traditions. Santa is Christmas. Sorry there is just no way around it. If you don't celebrate Christmas IMO it makes no sense to bring your child to see Santa. If you're in a marriage with both religions then that's a different story but if you and your DH choose to raise your children Jewish then those are the traditions you should embrace.
ITA, and my background was very similar. My Jewish friends come to my home during the holidays just as my family attends holiday celebrations at their homes. But, I would would be shocked if they brought their children to see Santa.
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
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Posted by Bxgell2
No, I don't bring Alex to Santa, and I would never. In my opinion, while Santa isn't a religious symbol per se, his origins are a "saint" and he is intertwined very deeply with christmas, whose origins are deeply religious.
I understand others may not see it as a big deal, but I do - I am very, VERY proud of my heritage, and am keenly aware, on a daily basis, all my ancestors have gone through, their deaths and struggles, just so I CAN be a proud jew and say it without being ostracized, marked, or worse, sent to a concentration camp. To me, personally, it is a dishonor to all my ancestors who fought to struggle through those times, to place my daughter on Santa's lap.
I want Alex to grow up with the same understanding of where she came from, who she is and of her heritage, so that's why I wouldn't bring her to sit on Santas lap.
I couldn't have said it better myself. It never occurred to me to bring Jordana to see Santa. I can't even imagine what I woudl do with a picture of her on Santa's lap.
Now Elmo's lap, that's a whole different story.
I agree with both of you as well!!! Even the part about elmo 
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Re: Spinoff to Racheeeees posting on NFR but on parenting
Posted by Mrs
I was born in the former soviet union, where I was constantly teased and discriminated against because I was Jewish, and felt first hand what its like to be told I was different - I didn't belong with the masses.
There, we didn't have religious holidays - as it was all about communism - but we had 'Grand Father Cold " (instead of Santa) and had a new years tree (instead of a christmas tree). They were put up for new years, and Grandpa Cold came to us on Dec 30th bringing us gifts, and not on Dec 25th. There was clearly no religious meaning behind that, and the whole former soviet union celebrated together - as did we.
When we came to the US, we learned here all about Christmas and Christmas associations and though we practiced it every year we did not do it in US. We ended up lighting a menorah and learning to be proud of our Judaism. I went from hiding that I was jewish and hoping no one would notice and tease me, or discrimate against me, to be proud that I was lighting a menorah, and that I was jewish. I proudly celebrated Chanukah - even though it meant no more New Years tree. I still to this day miss my new years tree, becuase of all the wonderful child memories of decorating the tree with my parents - but here, the Tree and Satna are connected to Christmas and its just not the same.
Now that I am bringing this baby into this world, I really want her to know that she is Jewish and be proud of it and celebrate your traditions. So... I would not bring her to Santa - and would not put up the tree - though I know a lot of Russians that do do the whole 'hanukah bush' thing.. which is weird to me.
Mrs described my lifestory so well! And hey, I had no idea there was another Ruski Jew on this board besides me
I want my children to be proud of who they are, to never be afraid of having any dirty words thrown in their faces why their classmates laugh and their teachers watch in silence. After going through all those things in my childhood I want my children to be very aware of their heritage and never want to let it go, to know exactly where they come from and who they are and that they now CAN celebrate Jewish holidays because millions of theirs ancestors died for REFUSING to let go of their religion and traditions, and for wanting to be who they are!
I agree with Bxgell2--to me, putting my child on Santa's lap would equal spitting on my ancestors graves and diminishing everything they went through to allow us to proudly be who we are.
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