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DaniJude
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by june262004
I grew up in Levittown and bought my house in Levittown. Lots of people have breast cancer some people have breast cancer in every house on one block. (Ramble lane) They think it's because of all the fertilizer that was used when Levittown was potato fields.
Yes! Same deal in East Meadow - I know so many women 
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
I am a bottled water drinker. Always have been and always will be.
I CAN'T drink tap water, REGARDLESS of research, etc... that it's the same or just as good.
I don't like the taste of tap water. It's horrible!
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MrsMessina
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
we buy the big 5 gallon bottles and just keep filling our same water bottles over and over. we trade them out for new ones periodically b/c they say it's bad for you w/ bacteria and all if you keep reusing the same bottle for too long. we still have well water out here and rusty pipes--- def. not drinking this water. 
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MrsMessina
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by DaniRella
Posted by june262004
I grew up in Levittown and bought my house in Levittown. Lots of people have breast cancer some people have breast cancer in every house on one block. (Ramble lane) They think it's because of all the fertilizer that was used when Levittown was potato fields.
Yes! Same deal in East Meadow - I know so many women
my entire block used to be a potato field. it's a horseshoe shaped road and all of the streets in the middle were all the same potato farm. my grandparents built the house that we live in and it was one of the first few houses on the block (while the whole inner circle was still a potato field). This is why I don't drink the water out here either. So many people that I know have suffered from breast cancer. We've been drinking bottled water for as long as i can remember...
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dm24angel
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
What I find funny is all of you complaining about tap water...why dont you do something about it?
Your worried about tap water causing cancer.....but if you continue to use the plastic bopttles , there wont be a PLANET to have cancer on ....
Yes Im being dramatic...but I appreciate more the responses of " I try "...and tell us what you try to do to reduce your consumption of plastics...
Or by showing facts etc...
The water on LI is regulated...if you did research you would see that your much more likely to get sick from your Poland spring water then from water from LI that might or might not have been infected with this or that.
I understand people like certain things etc, but really, you need to do research before spreading things around.
There are people who wont drink tap water b/c someone says that their aunts cousins brothers wife had cancer....
Education is key in this debate...
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
I referenced areas like Setauket
/northville spill as areas associated with cancer clusters & I don't blame people that live in cluster areas to make whatever choices they feel neccesary. The reality is though that 90% of the water on LI comes from the aquifier that is under my house & the rest of the pine barrens. So regardless of where you live on LI & what sort of environmental situations your area had, in essence your tap water should unaffected unless its from a well.
I do believe that fertilizers & pesticides have played a much greater roll in cluster areas. Its not just a problem from the days of suburban LI being potato fields. Its a current problem.
In this country more highly toxic, potentially cancer causing fertilizers & pesticides are used per acre for lawn care than in commercial argiculture.
I'd love to know how many people that are so anti-SUV or anti-bottled water put the scotts 4-step system on their lawn.
Try learning about what is in there & how it comes into your home & into your body via your feet, your children's feet & with your pets. Not to mention the runoff that afffects our bodies of water. Isn't anyone else applaled by the number of times a year our beaches are closed for high FECAL count???? that's from dog $hit, HELLO.
My lake was never closed once this year & while areas of the great south bay got counts of 33,000 parts per million our lake got 8 ppm-yes single digit. That's because of the human effort.
As I said in an earlier post, I believe we've got to take a comprehensive approach & learn a little about everything from bottled water, to lawn chemicals, to battery chickens, to run-off problems & how the USDA knowingly lies to us & poisons us. Then its a good time to try to change your impact on this planet.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
I never buy bottled water, I always find that they taste of plastic and I don't like that. I LOVE tap water with ice. YUMMY!
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by Kierasmom
Personally I drink bottled water because I know way too many people who grew up in my town that have suffered from cancer, specifically breast cancer. And the town I grew up has some of the worst water on the island. As a matter of fact they had sent a letter out saying don't drink the water, it's dangerous. This scares me. Yes I don't know where some of the bottled water comes from. But until I hear a report about the bottled water that I drink being dangerous I will continue to drink it.
http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/news/ng.asp?id=69827-wegmans-bromate-bottled-water
Bottled water containing cancer-causing bromate above the level allowed by America's food safety watchdog has been pulled from shelves by one of the country's upmarket retailers.
http://waterindustry.org/Water-Facts/bottled-water-1.htm
The study found 22 percent of waters contained levels of synthetic compounds such as arsenic that exceeded the California limit, and 17 percent contained levels of bacteria above voluntary industry standards.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0320-08.htm
[Dasani], which was launched two weeks ago, labeled prominently as "pure" and referred to by Coke executives as "as pure as bottled water gets", was found to have illegally high levels of bromate, a chemical which the Food Standards Agency said could lead to an increased risk of cancer.
I'm not saying I don't do things that harm myself or the environment. I have an 8 cylinder pickup truck, and I do drink Fruit20 from plastic bottles (which we do recycle). I also try not to preach about what's good or bad, since even experts don't agree on environmental issues. Penn and Teller had an episode of BullSh!t that had numerous experts saying that except for aluminum cans, all other recycling used more energy and created more waste than not recycling. I don't know who to believe. Also, I found it funny that in that episode, they filled bottles with fake labels with tap water from a rubber hose, but the labels sounded expensive. All of the patrons at this restaurant where they did the experiment loved the expensive, french-sounding water. 
Essentially, if everyone just does what they think is right, and tries to cut down on stuff when and where they can, we'll be doing a good job. I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum is intentionally trying to destroy the world (I'm trying to take it over, but not destroy it....  ).
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by maybeamommy
we use a brita filter and fill our camelbak water bottles with that every day...
these are the BEST water bottles! you just bite the straw part and the water comes out (no need to tilt the bottle)
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I got one of these for Christmas and I love it!
We drink bottled water (we have a big cooler). I've tried the Pur filter and the Brita pitcher but, the water tastes funny (mind you I'm not on Long Island anymore).
When I lived on LI, I would drink tap water all the time.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
While I usually detest a thread degrading into a fight, I think some people need to be slapped in the face with an idea in order to fully consider it.
People who know they are wasteful and for no good reason will always get defensive and pull the same cards out.
I happen to think that putting a few plastic and metal cans in your recycle bin once a week does not equal out the impact made by driving a completely unnecessary SUV.
But some people convince themselves of this. Not because it's true, but because it makes them feel better.
Then there are people who just don't give a crap at all about any of this.
Different tactics will resonate with different people. After posting a poll on the Home board a while back, I realized that most people will employ energy saving tactics when they have something else to gain. Namely money.
I'm happy when I see any progress. The plastic bag/supermarket thread was a joy to read.
What boils my blood is when people DEFEND their wastefulness with a cavalier attitude. I waste, so what kind of thing. It's so GD selfish and I can't help but change my opinion about people like this. I figure, if you're selfish about this, you're probably pretty damn selflsh in other ways too.
I know you can't live completely green, and you have to pick your battles. But to use hearsay and gossip to support your opinion, not FACTUAL information or to blatently disregard issues because you're lazy or selfish is just ignorance and sickening to me.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by june262004
I grew up in Levittown and bought my house in Levittown. Lots of people have breast cancer some people have breast cancer in every house on one block. (Ramble lane) They think it's because of all the fertilizer that was used when Levittown was potato fields.
20 years ago, they were convinced it was the high tension wires running through the middle of Levittown that caused the cancer clusters.
There will always be theories. Fact is, we just don't know. It's terrible, but we don't.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by greenfreak
While I usually detest a thread degrading into a fight, I think some people need to be slapped in the face with an idea in order to fully consider it.
People who know they are wasteful and for no good reason will always get defensive and pull the same cards out.
I happen to think that putting a few plastic and metal cans in your recycle bin once a week does not equal out the impact made by driving a completely unnecessary SUV.
But some people convince themselves of this. Not because it's true, but because it makes them feel better.
Then there are people who just don't give a crap at all about any of this.
Different tactics will resonate with different people. After posting a poll on the Home board a while back, I realized that most people will employ energy saving tactics when they have something else to gain. Namely money.
I'm happy when I see any progress. The plastic bag/supermarket thread was a joy to read.
What boils my blood is when people DEFEND their wastefulness with a cavalier attitude. I waste, so what kind of thing. It's so GD selfish and I can't help but change my opinion about people like this. I figure, if you're selfish about this, you're probably pretty damn selflsh in other ways too.
I know you can't live completely green, and you have to pick your battles. But to use hearsay and gossip to support your opinion, not FACTUAL information or to blatently disregard issues because you're lazy or selfish is just ignorance and sickening to me.
You know what makes my blood boil though? The fact that the OP is criticizing ME personally by quoting MY POST, while just a little while ago she posted about looking at the Ford Edge and Ford Escape. She's leaning towards the Escape because it's a hybrid, but they are looking at both. AND she misquoted me by saying I PERSONALLY go through 35 bottles of water a week...When in fact that water is used by an entire household, not one person. So let's misquote, criticize one particular person, and get kind of preachy about the environment while we're SUV shopping.
I drink water, but DON'T JUDGE ME when you are posting about going SUV shopping. I personally would never buy an SUV, even when I lived upstate near Canada and really could have used it.
It's like after seeing An Inconvenient Truth it's the trendy thing to worry about your carbon impact...and make preachy posts about bottles while test driving SUVs.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
I do get Poland Spring delivered to my home, but they are 5 gallon jugs that Poland Spring picks up and reuses. I get multiple delivered so I am stocked for a long time. I also have a filter on my tap. I know that the bottled water is probably not regulated, but I just don't feel comfortable with tap in LI for many reasons (whether actually true or not).
I will NOT however, buy small bottles of water. I do think it is insane to toss small bottles of water each day, even if into recycling. When I walk my dog and see other's recycling bins and see like a hundred water bottles, it does upset me that even if they are recycling them, they can't find a better way to drink those fluids?
B/c the other issue is people take them with them and then toss them while out in non-recycling garbage. When I am out, even if grabbing a slice of pizza, I take my bottle/can home with me instead of dumping it in the trash where it is not recycled. DH unfortunately doesn't have the same level of concern that I do, but I am slowly trying to educate him and change his ways and rub off on him,
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by nov04libride
You know what makes my blood boil though? The fact that the OP is criticizing ME personally by quoting MY POST, while just a little while ago she posted about looking at the Ford Edge and Ford Escape. She's leaning towards the Escape because it's a hybrid, but they are looking at both. AND she misquoted me by saying I PERSONALLY go through 35 bottles of water a week...When in fact that water is used by an entire household, not one person. So let's misquote, criticize one particular person, and get kind of preachy about the environment while we're SUV shopping.
I drink water, but DON'T JUDGE ME when you are posting about going SUV shopping. I personally would never buy an SUV, even when I lived upstate near Canada and really could have used it.
It's like after seeing An Inconvenient Truth it's the trendy thing to worry about your carbon impact...and make preachy posts about bottles while test driving SUVs.
I don't hate all SUV owners. Just the ones that soley use them because they like sitting high or they want more metal around them in an accident. 
I'm not going to defend the OP or what she said about you or what car she's going to buy. She can speak for herself better than I ever could.
I don't know your specific circumstances but I have very hard time coming up with a good excuse to use 35 plastic bottles a week. Entire household or not. Even if the reason you're using is that you don't trust tapwater, why can't you reduce? Why can't you get a cooler and reuse the same drinking container?
I'm trying not to have an all-or-nothing attitude in an effort to compromise when I talk about these things. Best case is not using it at all. But are you really of the opinion that there's absolutely nothing you can do to better the situation? Or do you just not care to try?
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by nov04libride
You know what makes my blood boil though? The fact that the OP is criticizing ME personally by quoting MY POST, while just a little while ago she posted about looking at the Ford Edge and Ford Escape. She's leaning towards the Escape because it's a hybrid, but they are looking at both. AND she misquoted me by saying I PERSONALLY go through 35 bottles of water a week...When in fact that water is used by an entire household, not one person. So let's misquote, criticize one particular person, and get kind of preachy about the environment while we're SUV shopping.
I drink water, but DON'T JUDGE ME when you are posting about going SUV shopping. I personally would never buy an SUV, even when I lived upstate near Canada and really could have used it.
It's like after seeing An Inconvenient Truth it's the trendy thing to worry about your carbon impact...and make preachy posts about bottles while test driving SUVs.
I don't hate all SUV owners. Just the ones that soley use them because they like sitting high or they want more metal around them in an accident.
I'm not going to defend the OP or what she said about you or what car she's going to buy. She can speak for herself better than I ever could.
I don't know your specific circumstances but I have very hard time coming up with a good excuse to use 35 plastic bottles a week. Entire household or not. Even if the reason you're using is that you don't trust tapwater, why can't you reduce? Why can't you get a cooler and reuse the same drinking container?
I'm trying not to have an all-or-nothing attitude in an effort to compromise when I talk about these things. Best case is not using it at all. But are you really of the opinion that there's absolutely nothing you can do to better the situation? Or do you just not care to try?
The tap water where I live smells and tastes funny. I have said that before. When I am at work I drink from the cooler. Bottled water is for my household to use in the house (not for cooking; we use tap when we boil) and at the gym. Occasionally we buy the large Poland Spring bottles and fill the smaller ones.
I guess the point is that I don't really need to defend myself to the OP or to anyone. I do not post in response to everyone SUV post "Do you really need that? Is there no other car you can buy instead? Are you aware of what you are doing to the environment?" and I think there are kinder ways of preaching about the environment than calling people out on the carpet for PP.
And honestly, as the amount of bottled water sold has been increasing, sales of soda and sugary drinks have been decreasing. I think if our nation is turning to bottled water INSTEAD of these sugary options (not instead of tap water, but instead of sugary options), we should also look at these increased benefits for our obese nation.
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Kissy331
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Honestly, I have always been a bottle water drinker & always will be. I have tried to do it other ways like others have posted. To me, Brita has a funny taste. The same with tap water. I use to refill my bottles with tap water & use them when I did my workout & honestly, there was an odor & the taste was disgusting.
I recycle & try to do things to help the enviroment but I am not going to stop drinking bottled water bc of them being in plastic bottles. Just think of all the people that consume soda in a plastic bottle! Americans drink more soda then water but I don't pass judgement about it. Life your life the way you want. If you want to change it, then do so but to preach & get others to change, I don't see the point. Our society is proven to do things on their own terms not based on what others say we should do.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by Kissy331
Honestly, I have always been a bottle water drinker & always will be. I have tried to do it other ways like others have posted. To me, Brita has a funny taste. The same with tap water. I use to refill my bottles with tap water & use them when I did my workout & honestly, there was an odor & the taste was disgusting.
I recycle & try to do things to help the enviroment but I am not going to stop drinking bottled water bc of them being in plastic bottles. Just think of all the people that consume soda in a plastic bottle! Americans drink more soda then water but I don't pass judgement about it. Life your life the way you want. If you want to change it, then do so but to preach & get others to change, I don't see the point. Our society is proven to do things on their own terms not based on what others say we should do.
very well said, ITA!!
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
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Posted by Kissy331
Honestly, I have always been a bottle water drinker & always will be. I have tried to do it other ways like others have posted. To me, Brita has a funny taste. The same with tap water. I use to refill my bottles with tap water & use them when I did my workout & honestly, there was an odor & the taste was disgusting.
I recycle & try to do things to help the enviroment but I am not going to stop drinking bottled water bc of them being in plastic bottles. Just think of all the people that consume soda in a plastic bottle! Americans drink more soda then water but I don't pass judgement about it. Life your life the way you want. If you want to change it, then do so but to preach & get others to change, I don't see the point. Our society is proven to do things on their own terms not based on what others say we should do.
very well said, ITA!!
This is exactly when I was trying to say. Live your life the way you want it, but please refrain from preaching to others and asking them to explain their own decisions.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by nov04libride
I think there are kinder ways of preaching about the environment than calling people out on the carpet for PP.
I agree, and that was what I was trying to do with my last post. So I was trying to give you some respect as a person and still continue the subject.
So, can you return that respect and answer my last two questions? Not about the rest of the world and what they do. About you and your consumption.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by nov04libride
I think there are kinder ways of preaching about the environment than calling people out on the carpet for PP.
I agree, and that was what I was trying to do with my last post. So I was trying to give you some respect as a person and still continue the subject.
So, can you return that respect and answer my last two questions? Not about the rest of the world and what they do. About you and your consumption.
I thought I did.
"The tap water where I live smells and tastes funny. I have said that before. When I am at work I drink from the cooler. Bottled water is for my household to use in the house (not for cooking; we use tap when we boil) and at the gym. Occasionally we buy the large Poland Spring bottles and fill the smaller ones.
In our home bottled water has replaced soda, and I am happy for that change. I agree with KellyFG--many times people will reach for soda if bottled is not an option. It's worth it to me if it keeps my family more healthy than the alternatives they would be reaching for. If DH (whose work does not have a cooler) will bring bottled water with his lunch instead of soda, I am happy that he will be drinking a more healthy alternative. If the kids will bring water to school, that is great to me. It makes them more healthy than soda or Red Bull, and those cans would also need to be recycled.
I'll post this to explain myself, and I will recycle my grocery bags, drive one of the most fuel-efficient cars on the market, but I am not posting looking for links to where I can buy a Brita or reusable fashionable water bottle for the gym.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by Kissy331
Just think of all the people that consume soda in a plastic bottle! Americans drink more soda then water but I don't pass judgement about it. Life your life the way you want. If you want to change it, then do so but to preach & get others to change, I don't see the point. Our society is proven to do things on their own terms not based on what others say we should do.
Why does the "Everyone else does it, so why shouldn't I?" or "Other people do much worse things than I do." argument always enter into these conversations?
It's not about turning the attention outward. It's about taking stock of the individual first, and what YOU are doing or not doing.
This "judgement" word is so popular here. What is the difference between having an opinion and judging? Everyone has opinions, it's silly to pretend otherwise. My opinion is that there is a lot more people can do to help a worldwide problem that has been caused by everyone living life the way they want to. Especially here in the U.S.
I want to pull out a gun and shoot idiots on the road who drive recklessly. Is that ok? Because I should live my life the way I want to? I'm exaggerating, sure. But to illustrate that that is just a terrible philosophy to have in life. I just do what I wanna do and don't give a flying f about anyone else, the world as a whole, the environment, whatever?
It's a common defense tactic to accuse someone of judging or preaching when they are faced with hard questions about their actions. I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, but are you? Are you considering for one second that it might be your problem, you might be the selfish one? You might be part of a bigger problem that you wish to do nothing about?
That's all I ask. Consideration. I don't expect everyone to trade in their SUV's for hybrid Camry's tomorrow. It would be nice to consider how much your actions impact the rest of the world and the future.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by nov04libride
I thought I did.
"The tap water where I live smells and tastes funny. I have said that before. When I am at work I drink from the cooler. Bottled water is for my household to use in the house (not for cooking; we use tap when we boil) and at the gym. Occasionally we buy the large Poland Spring bottles and fill the smaller ones.
In our home bottled water has replaced soda, and I am happy for that change. I agree with KellyFG--many times people will reach for soda if bottled is not an option. It's worth it to me if it keeps my family more healthy than the alternatives they would be reaching for. If DH (whose work does not have a cooler) will bring bottled water with his lunch instead of soda, I am happy that he will be drinking a more healthy alternative. If the kids will bring water to school, that is great to me. It makes them more healthy than soda or Red Bull, and those cans would also need to be recycled.
I'll post this to explain myself, and I will recycle my grocery bags, drive one of the most fuel-efficient cars on the market, but I am not posting looking for links to where I can buy a Brita or reusable fashionable water bottle for the gym.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, the answers I was asking for:
.Even if the reason you're using is that you don't trust tapwater, why can't you reduce?
.Why can't you get a cooler and reuse the same drinking container?
.But are you really of the opinion that there's absolutely nothing you can do to better the situation?
.Or do you just not care to try?
I don't want to speak for you but it sounds like you're saying you keep buying bottles because bottles are easier.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by greenfreak
It's a common defense tactic to accuse someone of judging or preaching when they are faced with hard questions about their actions.
Please. Many people on this thread EXPLAINED their actions, which is more than they had to do.
The fact that the OP singled out one particular post from another thread and said that I was disturbing is just rude to me.
And yes, to me the fact that she also posts about buying an SUV is to me like Al Gore making An Inconvenient Truth while paying a $30,000/year electricity bill for his home.
People in glass houses...
And I am not saying this to avoid those hard-nosed questions about my actions that I have already answered, I am saying this to point out that others really need to look inward before making such critical statements about others.
It is more difficult to judge yourself than it is to judge others.
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by nov04libride
I thought I did.
"The tap water where I live smells and tastes funny. I have said that before. When I am at work I drink from the cooler. Bottled water is for my household to use in the house (not for cooking; we use tap when we boil) and at the gym. Occasionally we buy the large Poland Spring bottles and fill the smaller ones.
In our home bottled water has replaced soda, and I am happy for that change. I agree with KellyFG--many times people will reach for soda if bottled is not an option. It's worth it to me if it keeps my family more healthy than the alternatives they would be reaching for. If DH (whose work does not have a cooler) will bring bottled water with his lunch instead of soda, I am happy that he will be drinking a more healthy alternative. If the kids will bring water to school, that is great to me. It makes them more healthy than soda or Red Bull, and those cans would also need to be recycled.
I'll post this to explain myself, and I will recycle my grocery bags, drive one of the most fuel-efficient cars on the market, but I am not posting looking for links to where I can buy a Brita or reusable fashionable water bottle for the gym.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, the answers I was asking for:
.Even if the reason you're using is that you don't trust tapwater, why can't you reduce?
.Why can't you get a cooler and reuse the same drinking container?
.But are you really of the opinion that there's absolutely nothing you can do to better the situation?
.Or do you just not care to try?
I don't want to speak for you but it sounds like you're saying you keep buying bottles because bottles are easier.
You're right; bottled water is more convenient when you are on the go. I thought that was said in my OP; most of the day we are not home and do not have access to a larger bottle of water.
DH could pay for a cooler for his entire office, but you're right, the frugality wins out. I could buy coolers for my gym, and I'm sure everyone would thank me.
I'm of the opinion that I am going to be going green in other ways, and this is one area in which I am not going to change, or answer further questions.
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| Posted 1/10/08 9:35 AM |
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Kissy331
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Re: Spinoff to two topics: Going green and bottled water
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by Kissy331
Just think of all the people that consume soda in a plastic bottle! Americans drink more soda then water but I don't pass judgement about it. Life your life the way you want. If you want to change it, then do so but to preach & get others to change, I don't see the point. Our society is proven to do things on their own terms not based on what others say we should do.
Why does the "Everyone else does it, so why shouldn't I?" or "Other people do much worse things than I do." argument always enter into these conversations?
It's not about turning the attention outward. It's about taking stock of the individual first, and what YOU are doing or not doing.
This "judgement" word is so popular here. What is the difference between having an opinion and judging? Everyone has opinions, it's silly to pretend otherwise. My opinion is that there is a lot more people can do to help a worldwide problem that has been caused by everyone living life the way they want to. Especially here in the U.S.
I want to pull out a gun and shoot idiots on the road who drive recklessly. Is that ok? Because I should live my life the way I want to? I'm exaggerating, sure. But to illustrate that that is just a terrible philosophy to have in life. I just do what I wanna do and don't give a flying f about anyone else, the world as a whole, the environment, whatever?
It's a common defense tactic to accuse someone of judging or preaching when they are faced with hard questions about their actions. I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, but are you? Are you considering for one second that it might be your problem, you might be the selfish one? You might be part of a bigger problem that you wish to do nothing about?
That's all I ask. Consideration. I don't expect everyone to trade in their SUV's for hybrid Camry's tomorrow. It would be nice to consider how much your actions impact the rest of the world and the future.
You know what, i respect what you have to say, I truly do. I NEVER use the "Everyone else is doing it" mentality at all. I do what I choose to do for my environment. No one should pass judgement on anyone just because they don't have the same views as you when it comes to the environment. You ask me if I am the selfish one, I think not. Like I said, I do my part & it is to the extent that I want to. We live in a country where we have the freedom to do what we choose. So that is what I am doing. Like I said, I don't go to the extreme (even if there is one) but I do what I feel I can do to consume. Yes I CHOOSE to buy bottled water, Yes I CHOOSE to drive a SUV, Yes I CHOOSE to recycle. Until there is a law that mandates that I MUST do something, I am going to keep on living my life. If that means that I am polluting the enviroment with my plastic bottles, then so be it. I do consider my actions for the future.
Like you said, you don't like when people say "preach" but that is what you are doing. If you have an opinion & I have an opinion & you are ok with my opinion, there would be no back & forth like there is. When you are trying to convince someone to view things one way, you go back & forth. I have stated my reasons for why I do things & you don't agree with them, that is fine but nothin you say will make me change what I CHOOSE to do. 
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| Posted 1/10/08 9:40 AM |
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